I had a dream last night while i was snuggled down, and every thing seemed to go pretty well, until it came time to dry. I am not understanding y it turned goopey even after extensive drying with a blowdrier, in this dream, one would have used dh20 while cooking, rather than cooking dry as before, is this right?

"I am not understanding y it turned goopey even after extensive drying with a blowdrier, in this dream, one would have used dh20 while cooking, rather than cooking dry as before, is this right?"



Goopy, I don't believe to be caused from too much water. More than likely do to improper cleaning of your precursors. Water amount is quite important too. There is a Super Deluxe thread posted by rainman entitledd "here it is 3 steps"....or something like that. I don't presume that you've read it?? Well then get on it!!

Yes! You most definitely need to read that post!

read read and reread, also have printed various parts (omitting only what was off subject). However, I am still reading it yet again, I am still having trouble, but things are looking up. I do appreciate the heads up on what post would maybe be of intrest to me though!! I am not a chemist nor do I claim to be, so when I say that I am having something goopy come up in my dream, I have no idea what the "correct terminology" would be in "chemical-land"

I am sorry to all that read what I write and find me to be...shall we say verbally challenged, I use my own terminology in my head and my notes, yes, I am aware that doing this makes it extremely difficult for someone else to understand what I am talking about, but i do have to do what works best for me right?

Anyhow, I am still reading through different posts and threads..(some are so long winded and off topic I forget where I started, but I am trying), and feel that before going on, when I come across something that I do not fully grasp, I should ask questions, BEFORE I run off half-cocked and hurt myself or others. Wouldn't you agree? Thank you though for atleast not ignoring me altogether, and pointing me in the right direction. Hats off to ya! mwaaaaa

gizmo...You're ok, your terminology is quite descriptive. I know that some of the stuff you read here may as well be written in chinese. Believe me, I know.

Here is the part that nobody ever wants to hear....WTF are you talking about?? *kidding* You're close, but you're not there yet. I don't want to bring you down ok...this is a pep talk!!

What part don't your understand? Please explain thoroughly. The better the decriptions, the better all of us can visualize what's happened and what can be done to fix things. Don't throw anythinig out. More than likely it can be salvaged....ok?? SO I'm gonna sit here and wait until you post again. And I'm not moving.



*waiting*

"3 easy steps" great post ...smallest first time dream voices recommended 20g pfed far.. too much !!..Spook end up real ghost ..can anyone encourage spook to have a smaller dream.. 5g pfed maybe ?? Wear out legs sleepwalking for pills !! Is nano pondering really that hard for noobs if followed to the letter??

[This message has been edited by Spook (edited 09-28-2003).]

tired you're a doll!! Ok, here it is.. In my dream so and so would take the RP-I2-E synth., and with those add 5ml dh20, and cook for 3-4 hours depending on what the reaction is doing, and how much dh20 is left. When done heating, let flask cool completely, cut off baggie, add 20ml dh2o, shake well. Filter liquid through coffee filters. Liquid in jar is yellowish in color. Add strong cooled lye solution, shake, let sit, extract top layer, (bottom is lye layer right?).

Take that top layer, add naptha, shake, shake, shake *arm is falling off* shake, let sit. Now have two layers. Since so and so has heard both layers are good and is not really sure which one is, separate from one another, and evaporate both, here's the catch, when something is actually left, after extensive drying with a blowdrier, so and so notices when they go to scrape it, it becomes extremely sticky, almost waterish, tries drying more thinking maybe didn't get all water out, no luck. So... any input would be much appreciated Thank you.

****hoping for better dreams****

*study, study, study*

OK....Yes the bottom layer is the lye....well ok ok, Here ya go---->

"pour in a little toluene (naptha). add a little less than the amount of water/meth you have in there. now slowly add a little lye to the sep. funnel, and shake well. drop a small drip onto your litmus paper to test the Ph. (you will be testing the water/meth layer, NOT the colemans fuel layer) you want the Ph to be 12. (yellow) if it is not a Ph of 12 then add a little more lye and shake the hell out of it and test again. keep doing this till it test out at 12. After it test at 12 drop in a tablespoon of table salt, and shake well. Now we are going to seperate the layers in the funnel. We want to keep the NP Solvent (Colemans), not the water/lye layer.

Put the water layer in a jar and set aside. you can test for meth later. Keep the colemans fuel/meth in the seperatory funnel. microwave a big glass of new distilled H2O till it is hot. pour in one third the amount of water (compared to the colemans) and shake well. drain the water out. repeat this 4 times. you are washing the NP Solvent. now once again, add one third the amount of water to the sep. funnel and drop in a few drops of Hcl. (Muriatic Acid) Shake for a few minutes. then test the ph of the ph of the water layer. you want it to test at 7.2 or at least close to that. if it doesnt, add a few more drops of Hcl and shake the hell out of it again and test again. after it is the proper ph, drain the water layer into your visionware bowl and put it on the burner and boil down. you can finish with a hairdryer if you want. now go back to your colemans fuel in the seperatory funnel and add a little more distilled water. we are going to do a second pull on the non-polar solvent. add a few more drops of Hcl and shake it up again. test the ph again. looking for 7.2 again. once you reach 7.2 again drain your meth/water into your clean visionware bowl (you should have all ready scraped out the crystals from the last pull that you all ready evaporated. now evaporate again."

You can thank acidmelt for that one....ok?

I hope that helps...Good Luck

Thank you for taking the time to write all of that down, I do however have another question. Let's say so and so no longer had the water/lye layer, rather only had the naptha layer, how would one go about adding the salt?

Would it be possible to add less, or would said person have to start over? Thank you again and thank you to all who have taken time to post thier insight on this forum for those who wish to aquire information. Thank you to acidmelt for your great posts as well!!



**dreamin' of better dreams**

giz, you're welcome. And I actually only typed the first and last lines of that post. Switrd has a collection of threads, methods and some of the bullcrap that gets posted here and other places. I just copy and paste 'em from there.

Now the salt thingy....honestly, Swsitrd has yet to use salt in any of his rxn's. Success is not determined by that factor. In fact, I would feel out of place trying to talk to you about it. *goes into archives*

SHOULD YOU ADD SALT? Many will add some table salt to the reaction fluid after basing. Add until no more dissolves, but no so much you clog the sep funnel with it. In theory water is more attracted to NaCl that methamphetamine HCl and will let go of the meth to get the salt. IS IT TRUE? Who knows? Does it hurt? Probably not, at least if you don't have emulsions. Should you use table salt? You can, but you are better served with pulverized rock salt which will not contain the anti-clogging additive. Better yet, use pickling salt which does not have the anti-clogging stuff in it. Table salt may contain iodine in very very small traces and does not present a real concern in this application. Does the salt actually increase the yield? I do not know. I have never split a batch into two equal volumes and extracted one with salt and one without.

Here are a few other tips you might find useful....SWIRL, and DO NOT SHAKE. The meth will migrate to the nonpolar as long as there is a clean interface and some movement of the fluid. Shaking form emulsions, these emulsions trap reaction fluid and methamphetamine freebase, keep it from migrating to the non-polar solvent, and blocks the interface between the polar and non-polar layers. This results in lower yield.

LET IT SIT. This is not an instant process, even though it does not take all night. After you hit the magic milky solution, give it fifteen minutes.

This message has been brought to you in part by LwaysTired and by our wonderful friends at Rhodium.

I would start a folder if I was you giz, put all the usefull stuff you find in it. It may save you failure, and costly supplies. Dream on.....................





[This message has been edited by LwaysTired (edited 09-29-2003).]

Ok advice will be taken, was just curious (on the salt). I do appreciate your insight however and am hoping to have great dreams. Bad dreams make people cranky after a while I should think. lol Anyhow, the info on the swirl and not shake is quite helpful and informative, I had never heard this, or if I did, did not remember or at that time thought "WTF" lol anyhow, thanks again