Kirby, this is just a shot in the dark, but there is a way to gas without the traditional pumping of vapors into a liquid.

Collecting the gas in a storage matrix may be an answer to the problem. You would use 100% isopropyl (extra measures used to get and keep it dry.) Weigh the iso, chill it, and pump the dried gas into the flask of alcohol. It readly absorbs a lot of hcl gas and you will have the gas in the form of a liquid. Make sure you make it heavy so that your concentration outweighs the solubility of the alcohol.

If you need help with the details, shoot me an email. It is easily found at, I believe Rhodium's site and there is a thread on it at the hive. It's a rare bird, this one. Fantastic results though. Long storage life. Drop, drop, drop, stir, done. What you will find is the principle. You have to use your noodle to do it ghetto style, but it is quite easy and produces some potent acid. The likes of which you wouldn't expect from hcl.

Tryp, dumbasses like us (not you. Myself and tweakers who think too much) who sit around trying to figure things out unscientifically is why everything about this reaction is so fucked up in the first place. If it wasn't so cluttered with misinformation, women and children would be doing it. Hmmmmm...I guess it's not fucked up enough, then.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Lukky is absolutely right. Any drug capable of forming a salt is so converted by pharmaceutical companies, all of them. If they didn't have to in order to make them work most effectively, they wouldn't. You can evap the NP and smoke the freebase oil if you want to. It is some nasty shit, and you won't be able to hit it enough to find out if you can get high or not.

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thanks mate,,,ill find those sites and read up on them

Gotta most of the regulars here aren't dumbasses, not you or whoever, it's guys that quote from their elementary chem texts and try and tell the regulars that they are using the wrong terms for well known concepts.

Good suggestion about using HCl dissolved in IPA. I've always just thought of that as an uneccisary extra strp that can be avoided. But it is a good suggestion if one can't use hydrochloric acid or hydrogen chloride gass.

Kirby, what special circumstances require the use of some thing other than aqueous or gaseous acid? You still want to make the HCl salt right?

Nevermind I just read the original post again.

you can still gas this solid freebase, you need to dissolve it in dry xylene or toluene and then you gas it. Really there is something wrong with the freebase though so don't expect much. It should dissolve in the toluene anything that doesn't isn't freebase and should be filtered out before gassing.

good luck

I would agree with Tryp here, any FB oil that has hardened is probably filled with many impurities or very old, or both.

Dissolve in the NP of choice. Give it an aqueous layer to help attract the polar soluble impurities, then seperate. Now continue with water washing the NP, and then either titrate or gas with HCl.

Don't skip the extra water washes, as SWIL is guessing that the hardened FB is pretty dirty.

Lukky D

thanks tryp,luckky,,yes what you both say makes good sense,,,thank you