Was wondering if anyone can tell me if I can cut down the STE or similar ext. method, or chem uses, for whiteys with this makeup...pseud HCl 60mg-Triprolidine HCL 2.5mg--carnauba wax, cornstarch, flavors, hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, lactose, magnesium stearate, pregelitinized starch, silicon dioxide, sodium phosphate, sucrose, titanium dioxide.........no peg, no povi,..? did I get lucky, or am I missing something? what do you think is absolutely necessary to extract? or am I just beggin?

Thnx

Scoo..."Do it once jus like tha man says" or so Swirh heard somewhere...

If you don't want to do it right, then don't do it.

Sootr, there a few here who really know what they're talkin about....I'm not one of 'em (yet) but I'd sure help if (and when) I have enough dream time in....sounds like from my reading as if you've got some that should be easy to clean the old way with maybe just denat. alc., but don't take my word... hopefully you'll get some response from peeps like wicked or Sutt. or Tired...look for them...these two (Kfag and Red dick) only jump in to sound like they know something..just self promoting morons...good luck and if no help, I'm sure following VE's STE will at least make sure you're clean..maybe some overkill and unnecessary loss, but...

If you are going to perform the STE, then it must be done exactly that way. It even states so in the text.

If you can't follow that exactly because of certain limiting factors(chems, money, location, smell, etc.) then simply choose another extraction and cleaning method.

Those pills are Dry Matrix Formulation(DMF) so don't get any H20 near them. Not a drop, or else it'll become a big gooey mess, as the DMF becomes engaged and the pill mass begins to quickly expand and gelatonize. If it gets to that point, might as well chuck it all in the circular file! Simply use dry solvents, dry them with pre-baked epsom salts.

With that list of inactives SWIL would personally suggest starting with the E-gull, if TCE is an easily obtainable chemical for SWIU. Then clean out the tripilodine with some dry acetone and non-polar soaks or boils. Use the dry alky of choice for extraction, then filter and let evaporate at LOW heat. Do not use high heat evaporation once the pseudo has come into contact with the tetrachloroethylene, otherwise SWIU risk the chance of SEVERELY lowering yield. Use IPA for at least one dual-solvent recrystalization.

With proper technique, the pseudo crystals will be pristine.

Good Lukk, Bee Safe

Lukky D

When it comes to good advice here at totse, Lukky is as good as it gets. Although I am about to differ somewhat on a few points, that does not in any way mean that I am saying that Lukky is incorrect in what he says. It is simply a different opinion.

It appears that tuckerd is all tuckered out before he even joins the race. He's brand new and already he knows "who really knows what they are talking about". Don't take what he has to say too seriously. Kman and horse are ok.

So, lets see what scooby doo is asking for. It looks like you need a method that uses as few and as little amounts of chems as possible, but still performs a thorough cleaning job. Does that sound about right? Yeah, me too. What Lukky suggests is probably about as close as you can get right now, until you get a few extractions under your belt. There is a modification to the straight to E that is good for recycling and minimizing the quantity of chems used, but its a pretty involved process and requires time and a moderate amount of skill to do it well.

So, Straight to E just as it is written or a TCE followed by NP soak/boils and an alky extraction are about the best you can do right now, which is pretty good.

Now, about that DMF. Lets say that someone really messes up and ends up with a big chunk of goo(well, somewhat gooey. Dropping them in a glass of water; I don't know) Anyway, don't throw it away. I don't pretend to understand the mechanisms involved with the activation of the dry matrix formulation, but I do know this:

Dry the pill mass out thoroughly, powder it as much as possible, then let it dry some more in a dessicator of some type (a container within a larger container that has a few inches of dried epsom salt, plain salt and damp rid is fine. Outer container must seal tightly.) for a few days. Then it will powder finely. Do the straight to E on this just like nothing happened and everything will be just fine. It has been done successfully several times with no difference in results. Video editor has really comew through with this one.

I really must say something about the weakened molecular structure theory when the TCE method is employed. To my knowledge, ware came up with this idea based on the aliphatic hydrocarbon and long chain molecules thing. Swigotta really liked it for awhile, but at the time lacked the patience necessary to wait for the alcohol to evaporate using no more heat that that of a lightbulb.

Well, it is my opinion that this theory is completely untrue. The molecule has not been weakened somehow causing it to become more susceptible to evaporation than pfed extracted by some other method. As a matter of fact, Swigotta had a difficult time getting the pfed to evaporate at all. I guess steam over or vaporize would be a better term. At any rate, relatively high temps were required to get it out of the jar and into the air. Even then, it was no more than than that from the full turps cure. To my knowledge, this theory is not based on any scientific explaination, but solely on vaguely stated reports from those having a problem with % yields using other methods compared to using the TCE method. So if you want to use heat from a heater or other heat source (no open flame of course) use in moderation without fear of loss due to heat. It will not happen.

No matter which course you take, finishing with Worlock's dual solvent recrystallization using 100% isopropyl alcohol and 100% acetone will result in a product that is cleaner than it was by a factor of at least 3. Make sure its clean and finely filtered hot (under vacuum preferably) before you proceed with any dual solvent technique or the crystal formation will be inhibited and yield will be low. Even if your yield really sucks, its ok, its all still there. You just dry it out and clean it up some more with xylene or something.

But that's another story.

Thanks a bunch lucky and Gotta for your help, the first two responses are more what I'm used to , have a friend who could help, but I believe he's of the thinking that it takes balls (literally) to do this. No offense guys, but I often believe my gender has the monopoly on the patience thing Anyway, I've been reading and keeping quiet for awhile, and I think I can pull off VE's STE no prob, was just beggin afterall, I guess, about an even easier way, just that I've seen alot of mention about PEG and Povi and figured that perhaps with the absence of those I could sneak by easy. I know, another newbee pain tryin to be lazy I really do appreciate the help though, and am trying my best to read, study, learn without being a pest. Guess Tuckered doesn't like those guys or something lol but that's ok, like I said, don't want to hassle anyone.

There was an Edit of the extraction procedure at the end (by GEEZ?), is he saying that's a suitable replacement for VE's STE? Sure is alot less steps...there I go beggin again Thanks again to everyone, I'll step back into the shadows for now.

PS Gotta, from what I've read, you're a woman too? Cool

Sorry 'bout the PS Gotta, if I'm wrong, think now maybe I was thinking of someone else...no I'm not a blonde lol, well not naturally

Geez is short for Geezmeister. Even Gotta will vouch, he is a Meth God! I know that much of my personal knowledge and methods came from him. He doesn't teach how to cook meth, he teaches methods and approaches for practical life application. Patience is one of the best virtues that I learned from Geez.

Lukky D

quote:Originally posted by Tuckerd41:

Sootr, there a few here who really know what they're talkin about....I'm not one of 'em (yet) but I'd sure help if (and when) I have enough dream time in....sounds like from my reading as if you've got some that should be easy to clean the old way with maybe just denat. alc., but don't take my word... hopefully you'll get some response from peeps like wicked or Sutt. or Tired...look for them...these two (Kfag and Red dick) only jump in to sound like they know something..just self promoting morons...good luck and if no help, I'm sure following VE's STE will at least make sure you're clean..maybe some overkill and unnecessary loss, but...

Oh yes and the one that sticks out in Swirh's head the most:

quote:Personally, I'll not be wasting my time on this shit anymore, I actually have a life...I recommend it for the rest of you, especially the big quantity posters who obviously don't



Heh...Swirh is sure that he HAS stated numerous times that he knows nothing and is not ashamed of the fact...Knowledge can be obtained if one actually realizes that one is lacking...Swirh does know what he has heard worked and not try to post misleading info to anyone (without heavy sarcasm of course--and in Swirh's mind if one could not get the humor then they are a little shallow in the gene pool and prob shouldn't be attempting to learn anything)...

Where was I?? Oh yes, apologizing bout crashing in with a meaningless post and wondering when Tucker was going to get back to that life he was referring to...Heh...and Swirh will take the red dick as a compliment (at least for physical reasons)... Perhaps if ole Tucker got laid a little more often his disposition would be somewhat more amiable... Peace all

I posted this and forgot about kfag getting butt-tuckered by red dick. Red dick. You may want to changeyour identity to this, horse. Red Dick, I can't stop laughing. <clutches stomach in pain, still laughing uncontrollably> You know how sometimes you get tickled red, I mean pink, and can't stop laughing.

Anyhoo.......

I guarantee this wore out punk is a skinny little smart ass trying to boost his self esteem, which was severely distorted by an uncle or someone semi close who ass raped him repeatedly (and still does), and ain't big enough to whip the ass of a junior high girl, by replying in a "I'm a badass mofo" kind of bolstering attitude. He did say something about self promoting, didn't he?



Well bootskooter. It would be a discredit to women everywhere if I were to allow myself to be covered with such a guise. Although I am far too callous to be a woman, I consider your error a compliment.

I was going to say something about the absence of the peg and povi earlier, but I forgot what it was. One thing is for sure; just a little bit of either one of them that gets past you and into the reaction, becomes the brown goo from hell that doesn't really limit your yield per se, but will definitely make it much more difficult to extract the meth in an A/B. Its hard to appreciate that until it happens to you and you are stuck with some nasty tasting shit.

Anyway, consider yourself lucky (not lukky, he's a guy too. I meant fortunate) that you are able to get them. If at all possible, stock up. You never can tell when they will be no more.

As lukky said, the Geezer is good. Geezmeister is among the top 1% who have successfully mastered their craft. I believe what really sets him apart from the others is his obvious writing and communication skills. Reading a detailed procedure woven into a story that is not only informative, but entertaining and written in a way that is easily understood by all, is the lure that hooked this fish. An interest was sparked and the rest is rhetoric.

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I really appreciate the help lucky and Gotta,so I followed up Lucky's advice about NDMF and DMF and set out to learn about them. Hive post says if a combination of the 2 inactives- hydroxypropyl methylcellulose and microcrystalline cellulose were present that would indicate a DMF presence. No microcystalline listed, which if I'm reading it correctly would tell me it's ok to assmue that it's an NDMF and ok to go with E-Gull. But since I was unsure about details of my dream, I dreamt it would be best to use IDEA, which is for DMF dreams, just in case, and figured it wouldn't give me nightmares if indeed was only NDMF. Anyway I had that dream and maybe it was really a nightmare afterall ... I dreamed of three pulls into same dish and so far, several hours later, although not evapped yet, not seeing much more than a bit of filmy lookin stuff kinda floating around in alky on plate.... alky not cloudy, but not crystaly either...? does it need to evap before it can be seen happening, or did I do something wrong? Have notes of each step and timetable, quantities, etc. of my little dream, if anyone can help wake me up, I'd sure be grateful

Thanx

Don't worry Scoo, SWIL says that he can tell you are a smart young(???) lass. If you have taken the time to research Dry Matrix and Non-Dry Matrix, then ye are already on the road to success! The road is clear, just be sure to not get impatient, as haste is a waste.

Research is the key in this game, homework really does payoff in the end! There are many who can help around here, but in the end, what you put in is REALLY what you get out of this.

Your eagerness to find the answers on your own is impressive... I hope that you are okay with considering me a new friend. If you ever have a question, don't hesitate to ask!

Lukky D

Thnx Luckky

I'm sure your friendship will be a beneficial one and glad to be welcomed, thanx soo much! As far as the young thing, my mind is certainly clinging to it a very young 38 lol. So many others' dreams I'd heard of talked of seeing things immediately after the drip drip drip haha in my dream, after dryed, looks like frosted glass...?? should I scrape or scrap this dream of mine...or is there another wash for it? when do I consider the PM scrap? sorry, I'm asking too many ? now.

Thanks again for the warm welcome feeling, told ya maybe blonde, but not necessarily unaltered by chems

Tucker.....Switrd has been know to put his foot in his mouth on more than one occasion. *looks around* and took the words of a rainy friend and has repeated them to himself often before flaming another here....they went something like,

"tired, SO AND SO are respected members of other places and have proven themselves in there fields of interest. i would suggest that you tread lightly here. i agree research should be done before asking questions but on the other hand maybe research should be done before flaming as well. it could save one some future ummmmm headaches, for lack of a better word. believe what SWIM is tellin you, my brother from another mother ...lol

hahahahahah That was good, I thank you rainman.

Cause I like Red, he's down with the rest of us!

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