What *exactly* would happen if I mixed Vicks inhalers and that HCL acid, so generally needed in all meth recipes? I am not looking for the highest quality crank. Cooking it together, would it make any low form of meth?

liteup man what would happen is you would end up with extremly low grade crank.It is easier to make meth the correct way and better results at ending point even for a newbie i swim recommends that you read alot before trying any method and understand the cons and pros about it before attemping the rxn aswell =)....But to answer you're question if you take vicks about 3 inhalers and put a few drops of water in a bowl then squeeze out all of the lemeth shit into it then mix a few drops of hcl then boil it off in a coffee pot then scrape it yes you will end up with 1 1/2 grams of sorry ass crank.then you can recrystalize it for crystals but swim is telling you now it only makes you speed for about 1 hr maybe 2 and it has no rush =) lol If you want to try it have way but bro nothing is like real meth nothing!!!!!

sutt..."you take vicks about 3 inhalers and put a few drops of water in a bowl then squeeze out all of the lemeth shit into it then mix a few drops of hcl then boil it off in a coffee pot then scrape it yes you will end up with 1 1/2 grams of sorry ass crank."

I know you're trying to help and all, but that will not make anything. The vicks inhaler thing is long since gone. That has been the story for a while now. Switrd is not trying to make you feel dumb, just correcting what he thinks you're misinforming about. In fact when that method did work, I don't think that's how the procedure went anyway.

Lit...there is no easy way to make crank or meth or crystal or anything like that. In fact, I know that it would be against the law to manufacture anything of the sort...and Switrd never breaks the law, period.

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hey the man asked for a bullshit method so i helped him out with 1..Actually you will speed a little off it tired and you can recrystalize it and make it half ass crank =) never d-meth like that though =)

OK....we'll see what the others have to say. No flames though.

If you suck on the exhaust pipe of a running car for about ten minutes, and then spit your saliva into a glassplate with orange peels, vicks inhalers, and a $100 bill, you can scrape it all into your hand and buy a gram of meth.

Hurry bill, go crank up the car and bring some oranges with you!

quote:Originally posted by kman:

If you suck on the exhaust pipe of a running car for about ten minutes, and then spit your saliva into a glassplate with orange peels, vicks inhalers, and a $100 bill, you can scrape it all into your hand and buy a gram of meth.

Kman...as with most things...Swirh would definately recommend post rxn cleanup of this technique or one might experience poor results... Just a thought tho... Perhaps all one would require is some drying time and a wet paper towel for residual contaminents... Oh yes...didn't that technique previously have toothpaste included?? Peace all...

suttleilla,,,the guy didnt ask for a bullshit method,,apart from the uneducated question, the man seemed quite sincere..im stunned you answered this mans post and purposely lied to him...all we have in life is credibility, honour and our childrens future,,,and you just blew your credibility and honour out the window

I am of the opinion that if you study and practice, you can make low grade after a few months. Then, it will get better. Or it can.

And the Vicks thing, long sinced dead. Yes. I am righthanded, and will never be lefthanded.

Sutt-Will it never end?

The man asked for low grade crank method so swim gave it to him yes you will speed off it and yes you can find idiots that will buy it when swim knew nothing about real meth he use to slang it and made 50 a g off it so it is possible.And its a really good method for someone who don't really want to risk getting caught by the law or someone who really don't care to learn harder and more dangerous chemistry.Im sorry that some people here feel this way but i think i helped the man out so thats all that counts.When and if he ever ask for a real meth swim will advice him on using either anhydrous or rp/i but untill then the crank method will give him what he desires =)

Uh, No....

Unless you are purchasing some "Vick's Inhaler" that I havnt seen lately.

Simply adding HCl to a vicks inhaler will do nothing to the primary ingredient.

You would be better off just purifying what is already in there.

Either way, DONT BOTHER, it is a waste of time. Regardless of how many people sutt has ripped off.

So...as I was saying. You will end up with nothing.



(this mnm person is kinda cool)

[This message has been edited by LwaysTired (edited 09-22-2003).]

Hello lit--

This is a bizarre thread. Some things you need to know are

1. The vicks inhalers contain a substance that is similar in structure to meth, but is not bioactive in humans. Therefore, it really doesn't matter what it looks like, it doesn't possess the same characteristics as meth.

2. The one with the hard candy shell (I think I've already used that one, but I'll have to use it again) probably said it best. It is possible to have a reaction to the bronchiodilation affect of the active ingredient in vicks inhalers, but boiling it in hcl will do absolutely nothing more than make it highly acidic. This could cause bodily harm to whoever tries to use it. If someone were to pursue that particular chemical substance, isolating it from the other ingredients would be the only procedure necessary.

3. Sutt has come a long way from his earlier online personality style, but he really needs to stick to answering posts that do not have serious consequences and are straightforward or docile. If there is one thing we don't need is the furtherance of the vicks inhalers meth recipe. It's amazing how tenacious that damn thing is.

4. If you want to learn how to make crank, then you are a fool for risking your freedom for such a petty reason. If you want to learn how to make meth, then go buy a spiral notebook, some notebook paper, a ream of printer paper, ink refills, pens and such and begin gathering information on the subject. It's not that hard once you get it right, it's just a little frustrating at first not having someone with you who can show you the difference between something that turns out right and something that doesn't. It's a great hobby, and like everything else worthwhile in life, it takes dedication and hard work to succeed.

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swilla agrees =)

If one wants to synth. crank or ice, what is the best possible synth to do so?

Or, let me revise that: If THEORETICALLY one wanted to make meth, what's the best RP synthesis?

misdkfits Its an opinion man but swim started out with anhydrous/lithuim then gassed using sulfuric/salt =) Swim personally thinks that is the easiest method rp/i is easy aswell except you have to go buy a whole lot of shit like boxes and i mean boxes of matches like 20 boxes just to make 3 or 4 grams =)....750 Pills,gascan,bottle of lye,8 batts and then a few cans of ether and thats all you need for the anhydrous method =) Then choose you're method for gasssing. Its all up to you meth isn't hard to make with any method except for using lab equipment.

quote:Originally posted by suttleila:

misdkfits Its an opinion man but swim started out with anhydrous/lithuim then gassed using sulfuric/salt =) Swim personally thinks that is the easiest method rp/i is easy aswell except you have to go buy a whole lot of shit like boxes and i mean boxes of matches like 20 boxes just to make 3 or 4 grams =)....750 Pills,gascan,bottle of lye,8 batts and then a few cans of ether and thats all you need for the anhydrous method =) Then choose you're method for gasssing. Its all up to you meth isn't hard to make with any method except for using lab equipment.

So, is there anyway SWIM could tell his anhydrous method synth. in a reply or e-mail for educational purposes?

HEY!

Start your own thread... Don't pollute this ViCK's inhaler thread with your offtopicness...

quote:Originally posted by LwaysTired:

So...as I was saying. You will end up with nothing.



(this mnm person is kinda cool)

[This message has been edited by LwaysTired (edited 09-22-2003).]

oh dont say that to mnm it might go to his head , oh hell to late... hahaha

mnm is mnm ...oh i could tell you about said candy but his post will do that soon enough



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Read up on RP/IOD rxn, alot of work, but workmanship is 3/4 of the fun of dreaming up the perfect RXN. same as any job well done.



rnx57

SWIM has plans to work out the RP/I method.

SWIM has already invested close to $300 on materials for this, but still needs only MORE pills, GOOD RP, and GOOD I2. SWIM has everything else, already put together and set up. However, SWIM found an online auction site that has REAGENT grade RP and I2, 500g per order. SWIM is thinking this might be the best way to go, it may cost SWIM a bit more, but will save tremendously on Purification Reactions time.

Time will tell.

swim would have swim , have his swim go and get this online quickie... but that shoots the roll alone method. swim has very little invested as most things can be manufactured rather than bought. swim has dreamed that rp and cry io is quite easy to get ALONE. and the time involved is chalked up to workmanship... take the time and be safe. theres such a thing as runners ( if ur in a damn hurry), but that kills the alone factor... in a weeks time of dreams, swim has it together for that all mighty personal ( and cronies ) run....

ps. swims buddy swig paid 900 bucks for 5 lbs of cry io, paid as much to get as swig paid for the cry io. ?



be safe... rnx57

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The site SWIM saw is an auction site, so depending how much there is at any given period of time really determines what the high bid will be.

If SWIU can find it, try to bid when theres a bunch of I2 or RP auctions going on. That will lower the price, so you will end up getting a winning bid for less than you would when theres not a lot of it.

SUPPLY AND DEMAND!!!

Gotta love economics.

500g(1.1Pound) of I2 goes for between $60 and $180, SWIU just has to catch it at the right time.

500g(1.1Pound) of RP goes for between $200 and $800, SWIU just has to catch it at the right time.

I hope this is what SWIU was asking, as SWIM was kind of unsure.

Hey bowl, be careful what you dream about, as it has been duely noted, "he who swims alone, swims furthest."

I have heard of online auctions listing 100g to 2500g or more of iodine crystals, (take a look at who becomes interested in quantities over 500g. purchased in the US, and then those who stay just under. Much less likely to cause nightmares.)

Never heard of the rp online until now. Then again, SWIG doesn't sleep all that much and that makes him have fewer dreams of good procurement methods than he would like. If you can, anyone dreaming of a brick of red coming their way, report on quality by boiling in NP solvent and noting color of solvent, how it burns, just little stuff like that would be very interesting. More than one degree of separation between swim and the card holder would be a good idea. Big brother is an avid collector of information.

Ah, so no one is going to answer my question I see.

dis si my 1st post ppls... i hope its handy..

if any1 is seriously interested in making their own meth or even mdma then they should purchase a book called "Total Synthesis II" then they should be prepared to fork out a fair bit of cash and especially be prepared to fail many, many times b4 gettin it right.

so if that dont sound tantilising 2 ya then u shud stik 2 your local dealer 4 ur source of good times.

but neway... go find that book and ya shud discover the answers to all of your questions for synthesizing speed & e.

Litup:

Most of these people seem pretty informed, but I'm suprised they haven't explained the basics to you.

1) Vicks Vapor Inhaler used to be L-desoxyephedrine (another name for L-methamphetamine). If it is still made from L-desoxyephedrine, you COULD, theoretically, change it into d-methamphetamine.

The meth molecule is a mirror image of itself; it has a left and a right side, abreviated d- for dextro (right) and l- for levo (left). The reason you want d-meth and not l-meth, is that l-meth raises blood pressure and increases heart beat, but doesn't make you alert. D-meth does make you alert, but doesn't really increase heart rate or blood pressure.

This is what you would do to get d-meth, if Vick's Vapor Inhalers are still made from l-desoxyephedrine:

First, break open the inhalers, and soak the cotton in about a 3M solution of HCl. This will convert the L-meth to L-meth HCl (the HCl makes it a salt in smokable form). Now you have L-meth HCl + H2O. You need to somehow get out the H2O, without getting the solution so hot as to break up the H and Cl bonds, which would leave you right back with l-meth. (Also, in this solution have the H and Cl molecules already broken up? They might since cations and anions separate in H2O, meaning you would have l-meth + H+ + Cl- +H2O???)

Anyway, once you have pure l-meth HCl, you will need to change it to d-meth HCl, which can be done by "oxidizing it and reaminating it". I personally am not sure how to oxidize and reaminate this, so perhaps one of the more experienced people can explain it.

Like I said, theoretically this should work, but the oxidation and reamination might be more work than it looks like.

OK, turns out Vick's Inhalers ARE still made from l-desoxyephedrine (l-methamphetamine). However, instead of calling it that, they call it levmethamfetamine. They're probably just trying to confuse inexperienced meth chemist who don't know that its the same thing.

smokeabowlIVXX, think swirl will....... exhale. some very fine river bottom bud of swirl's own handy work.

Let the unknowing in on where these auctions are.

Was once married to a girl from NE Pa, the town of Scranton by the way, can't remember which one of the bourghs it was though. Did in fact enjoy some fine 420 while on visit's to your state as well as some fine trout fishing in the Lackawanda river.

Later, 46

quote:Originally posted by Litup:

What *exactly* would happen if I mixed Vicks inhalers and that HCL acid, so generally needed in all meth recipes? I am not looking for the highest quality crank. Cooking it together, would it make any low form of meth?dude vicks was a back in the day deal, its done over. Learn reduction of p-e or e. do things right or dont do them at all