Just wanna know whats the best way to clean some rocky meth (near powder) that looks a little dirty without washing away the good stuff.

Acetone wash or return to freebase & recrystalise? (i'm thinking recrystalise would get pure stuff)

Could somebody quickly jot down the best way to do it for a newbie (non-cook) without losing too much ???

Thanx

I reccomend an un-orthodoxy approach requiring a baby syringe/regular syringe if you slam dope.....

This is easy/quick/non-odourous and unspoken of for reasons I still can't quite explain!

Here's how:

Saturate your mass of dope to equal roughly twice that with water than that of dope.

Roll-up a cotton-ball to equal that of 25% of the solutions' size before you.

Pre-wet the cotton to ensure no dope sticking to it and to make for a quicker pulling vacume in your syringes' barrell.

Take your liquid in your syringe and empty it onto a large glass surface area respectively.

Or even dinner plates.

Now simply grab a hairdryer set on low and at a 45 degree angle blow over your solution.

You will have pure water-soluable meth crystalise and all trash/cut left behind stopped by the cotton filter.

99% of cut is NOT READILY WATER-SOLUABLE!!

Readily folks is the key word there!

Meth is so water soluable it immediately disolves and hence, flows with the water through the cotton.

Acetone and alcohol is fine but water is better bar-none man.

Baby syringes are sold at chemists/pharmacies and measure 10ml in potential volume.

They also have a kick-ass vacume pull and usually pull all water up on you first go-round.

Don't knock this until you try peole!!

I don't wanna hear it!

Jam...............------------>? !

Sounds like a quick easy method but...

sounds too simple.

I like the idea of only using water instead of shit like tone tho.

Anybody got better suggestions caus i ain't convinced that would get it as pure as possible

& also in decent size crystals.

If the shit is crystals already i guess it hadn't been cut, but does that mean it as pure as it gets ?

Also - whats the reason for needing to heat shit before it dissolves ? dirty ?



[This message has been edited by Insane_Aussie (edited 09-18-2003).]

Bro it is easy. And a little trial-run ould show you just how pure it ends up as.



If heat is needed, dirty is the dope have you.(talkig as if I were Jedi Master Yoda! )

And this "dirty" is a clasic in cutting agents apparently worldwide!

Truth be known though, heat is needed for dissolving the cut. Meth is water soluable at room temperature.

So if you need heat, your shit is wwwwaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy stomped on and the cut used annoyingly "liked" by "Ye who snort and Ye who smoketh"



You do your refinement how ou think is best but I know what you and 99.9% of tweeker-blokes do not!

Meth is water soluablle and is a salt.

Dry the solvent of salt(water) and salt is left to crystalise(sea salt anybody?!

Don't salts dig water?!

Think about it.

Jam.........------------>? !

[This message has been edited by Jamiroquai (edited 09-19-2003).]

Ok - I ain't stupid just un-informed.

Well if you know so much maybe u could tell me why some shit has a tinge of color? (maybe i'll learn something !!)

Let me think...

yellow, light brown, pink (often called coca-cola).

& this colored shit is sometimes good stuff (maybe).

& as i learn't from the good ol' days of bangin tha shit, the color stays in it when brewed up with H20 (sounds fancy).

So how would u suppose somebody would rid the pure of this color if it can't easily be seperated with water ??? (legitimate question i thought)

Also i've come across some good shit that is like a paste stuck on the side of the baggy, please explain ?

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[This message has been edited by Insane_Aussie (edited 09-19-2003).]

quote:

So how would u suppose somebody would rid the pure of this color if it can't easily be seperated with water ??? (legitimate question i thought)



Anyhydrous Acetone wash.

If that fails, A/B extraction and recrystallization.

awesome dope....it is called peanut butter here. The best and only way to thoroughly enjoy is to bang it. But beeee veeeery careful.

Good point MNM.

Meth is H2O sol', but so is NaCl & that red hot dey.

The tan shades come from carmel. When the eph' or pseudo aren't properly cleaned of the carbs(starch &/or cellulose analogs) in the pills, the carbs carmalize during the reduction synth. Carmel is some what H2O sol', too.

Thus, the best way for one to purify street crank into pure crystal meth' would be to A/B it. However, if there is any unreacted eph' or iodo-eph' present, it will come through too.

[This message has been edited by DrY.R.Head (edited 09-19-2003).]

Thanx, thats what i wanted to know.

in my dream i might try a simple acetone wash & dump it in some alcohol & try to brew some big crystals over 5 days or so.

I think i heard somewhere that the bigger the crystals the cleaner it is or something like that.

Jamiroquai I have tried your method before and found it to not rid the impurities entirely. Many cuts are very water soluble. I was toying with solubility curves before I went straight edge and have found better results for myself.

How do I do it? Well first I make sure all my product is powderized. then I take some dionized water (or distilled water) and bring it to about 160 degrees ferrenheit. Then I quickly take the baby syringe and suck the hot water and poor it into the meth powder. I only use just enough water so the meth dissolves and no extra water. Then I place the meth/water solution in a ice bath. An ice bath is a jar or bucket or whatever filled with mostly ice and then filled with water. I then place the glass jar filled with the meth/water in the ice/water bath and let the meth/water solution get as cold as can be (32 ferrenheit prefably). Next I throw a starter crystal (a pure shard of meth) inside the meth/water solution. Instantly a bunch of crystals will form. Then I quickly throw the meth/water/crystal solution in a buchner funnel w/filter and vacuum aspirator (pump). The pure crystals will sit on top the filer. Let the left over solution evaporate for a while and repeat steps with ice bath.

I do love your music Jamiroquai!

Nice modification there Bro! Hell I can dig that with a back-hoe! In fact, I am going to give it a whirl meself.

And as to the music........you are the first in 4 years to of made such a comment! I loved/love the music so much I got inspired to give the man some love and also, use a unique name nobody else could of possibly come up with and go to multiple boards with it.

.....I kinda fancy meself too as an Intergaltic Space Cowboy !



Jam........------------------>? !

No offence - but u really need some better taste in music. Only girls listen to that shit.

Get some balls about ya.

No offense Aussie, But chumps who live in the Penal Colony have no business telling Americans or Brits for that matter what to listen to. I seriously doubt what you listen to appeals to me, but I aint critisizing your weak ass. If you want people on this forumn to answer questions that your too dumb to figure out on your own, well then consider being more humble. Until then, SUCK A BIG ABORIGNE DICK BITCH!

Kirby, please take no offense to the above comments! This is directed at Aussie!

Whooooa! Goodness gracious, Sparkel, you sho

nuff tore that man's ass up! Give em hell,

Sparkel. Elect Sparkel for gov. of Cali!!!

Just kiddin! Peace

Aussie you were right! I went out and purchased "Mic Dundee's greatest hits" Album, and boy does it have balls! The album includes such greats as:

1. Wrastling with the Crocs

2. My Knife is Bigger then Yours

3. Out in the Outback

4. Sex with Kangoroos

5. Why the Queers Come to Sydney?

6. Appetite for Aborigne (Penis)

7. Our toilets Flush Backwards

8. Aussie Incest

9. 14 Inch Butter Knife

10. Fosters Messiah

11. Penis Colony

12. Cut Crank (The methyl-sulfonyl-methane song)

13. Get Some Balls About Ya (Chin)



[This message has been edited by 0.S. Sparkel (edited 09-23-2003).]

There is NO pure meth at all(unless its pharm grade). If they tell you its pure their either bullshitting or its amphetamine. Most of the chemicals used to make methamphetamine are under your bathroom sink.

If i were you, id throw the shit out the window. Two nights of intense craving and pure hell was not fun.

I would beg to differ, as most of your comments are purely observational opinion.

Funny shit.

id just like to say,,not that im an expert on these matters,,,but its a well known noted biological fact,,,boungs dont have big dicks

quote:Originally posted by Speed_rebel:

There is NO pure meth at all(unless its pharm grade). If they tell you its pure their either bullshitting or its amphetamine. Most of the chemicals used to make methamphetamine are under your bathroom sink.

If i were you, id throw the shit out the window. Two nights of intense craving and pure hell was not fun.

HELLO MCFLY! Ever heard of fractional distilation? Im VERY sure you dont know what your talking about. When you use exact stoichometric amounts and let your reaction go 100% completion, it is safe to say you have yielded "Pure" methamphetamine as your product. This is the top secret (shhh) method that pharmacologist use to manufacture their farm grade AAA meth. But dont tell anybody!

Who the fuck keeps Ephedrine, Phenyl Propinol, Methlymine, Red Phosphorus, Lithium, Annhydrous Ammonia, or HI underneath their sinks? Ahhh, Nobody!

You mean to tell me ol' Jim Bob has been lieing to me this whole time selling me ephedrine instead of methamphetamine? DDDDDDang It. I always knew their was something crooked about that toad licker.

Staying awake for 2 nights only is pussy! Show us your a real man and go for a 2-weeker.

Thanks for stoping by Speed Ruble! Come Again!

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[This message has been edited by 0.S. Sparkel (edited 09-23-2003).]

Damn, I must be bored. I guess I'll add to this wierd assed thread.

What Jam is doing is quick and easy. If that's what you wanted it can't be beat. It will do a good enough job if you are quick enough.

Your next post changes the tone. You seem to want two things that you can't have both of. Easy and large pure (relatively) crystals.

Anybody got better suggestions caus i ain't convinced that would get it as pure as possible

& also in decent size crystals.

For the biggest, clearest crystals, its going to take time and atention. Water grows the best crystals. Slowly evapped over about a ten day period. This procedure (I have it posted somewhere) will grow some flat rhombic plates up to 2" square. I know a guy who has grown them a little over an inch that weighed 0.8g each. Clear as window glass.

If the shit is crystals already i guess it hadn't been cut, but does that mean it as pure as it gets ?

Not even close. The impurities get locked in the crystal structure if they grow too fast. The slower the formation, the less impurities will be trapped inside.

Yellow-too much acid when titrated or gassed

brown- povidone or the carmel shit that another guy further down describes (sugar)

pink-various new tech. gaaks. If it sells better-food color

Also i've come across some good shit that is like a paste stuck on the side of the baggy, please explain ?

They didn't take the time to dry it, which probably means they didn't bother to crystallize it either. If you bang it and get that ether breath rush, then thats exactly what happened.

Word to the wise:

Dry tone washes out more shit and preserves more dope than any other one thing.



Heather--

after you've been up for a while, do you get that thick oily film all over your body, especially when you get hot and sweaty? That's from all that garbage in the peanut butter that also gives you that spacy super tweaky feeling that is so popular. Not much meth in there though.

Be careful with the sparkel water supersaturated water method. It really sucks when you put the hot glass in the cold water and ping!, now you are going to have a really slow evap. Lab glass unless you're crazy. A smaller glass dish inside the ice bath , just in case, wouldn't hurt either.

sparkie--

That's some pretty funny aussie slammin, but it looks like you have a beef with an aussie on a personal level.....maybe, maybe not.

Rebel--

Meth has been made in basements and garages that would require GC/MS just to detect the presence of the impurities, let alone the quantity. It's the chemist, not the lab that makes them pure.

OK, I guess I'll be fucking off now.

Good Stuff Gotta (as always)!

Growing Crystals is an excelent method to purifying a molecule. The impurities have different Molar weights and have different solubilities in water then methamphetamine. The methamphetamine will crystalize in a specific region whereas the impurities will crystalize in a different region. By being patient and letting your crystals grow, like molecules will bond with like molecules rendering purity.

To avoid breakage of your pyrex beaker, either use a super thick beaker, or let it cool down first. The process doesnt require you go from hot to cold quickly. The main idea is to just use as least hot water as possible to make it saturated. It might also save time to use this method of minimal hot water to saturate your solution when growing crystals.

I imagine regrowing your crystals a second time might make your product even more potent. I think that the impurities during the seperation recrystalization process might some how draw a polar push or tug causing a variance in the geometrical stereo chemistry of the meth molecule. Maybe regrowing the now isolated crystals might make better potency. Just a theory!

[This message has been edited by 0.S. Sparkel (edited 09-23-2003).]

quote:Originally posted by 0.S. Sparkel:

HELLO MCFLY! Ever heard of fractional distilation? Im VERY sure you dont know what your talking about. When you use exact stoichometric amounts and let your reaction go 100% completion, it is safe to say you have yielded "Pure" methamphetamine as your product. This is the top secret (shhh) method that pharmacologist use to manufacture their farm grade AAA meth. But dont tell anybody!

I think your full of shit. I doubt that pharm (not farm you fuckin' hillbilly) grade Tweek is made using the street way (like thier really gonna use red devil lye in thier procedure). I could name 40 ways to produce it, but i use the trusty ol' "Bucket, bottle and tube" way myself when i decide to produce it (which is vary rarly, and now, probably never again.)

However, if you are talking about getting the shit that it was cut with out of there, then yes, your procedure would probably work.

Who the fuck keeps Ephedrine, Phenyl Propinol, Methlymine, Red Phosphorus, Lithium, Annhydrous Ammonia, or HI underneath their sinks? Ahhh, Nobody!

You took what i said to a literal level. I guess all those sleepless nights and smokin crank killed all sense of generalization eh?

You mean to tell me ol' Jim Bob has been lieing to me this whole time selling me ephedrine instead of methamphetamine? DDDDDDang It. I always knew their was something crooked about that toad licker.

You have got to be the stupidest fuck i have ever had the displeasure to come across is you think Ephedrine and Amp are the same thing. My old buddy erowid (that is clealy smarter than you) says that Amphetamine's chemical make-up is C9H13N and Ephedrine is C10H15NO. Similar, but not the same.

Staying awake for 2 nights only is pussy! Show us your a real man and go for a 2-weeker.

that was WITHOUT meth. It was a week after, and an intense craving came on that lasted 2 days. My vision was distorted, my mind felt disconnected from my body, my hart felt like it was 200 BPM, my breathing was wierd, probably cause of excess smoking. Imagine felling all of that WITH NO TWEEK AT ALL and then going to work/school (for all you underage tweekers out there.

Thanks for stoping by Speed Ruble! Come Again!

Be glade too.

McFly, learn to read between the lines punk!

Thanx gottagogo.

I'm Learnin something new everyday.

pharm meth is the same as regular street meth but w/out the impurities.

I hesitated to say anything, but what the hell.

Somebody said this:

When you use exact stoichometric amounts and let your reaction go 100% completion, it is safe to say you have yielded "Pure" methamphetamine as your product. This is the top secret (shhh) method that pharmacologist use to manufacture their farm grade AAA meth.

There is a problem with this theory. Even if absolutely pure reactants and reagents were used (even the pharmaceutical companies can't do that), there would still be side reacted products made to some degree. They may be due to slight variations in temp or unevenness of same. Maybe trace impurities reacting unexpectedly. Reaction atmosphere blah, blah. Sorry about that.

The point is there are so many variables in any of the reaction methods used in the clandestine lab especially the main two, annie and rp/i (p2p is kinda old school now, isn't it?) that it is not reasonable to believe that a product that is even close to pure can be extracted from the reaction mix that is obtained when you shut the reaction down and call it done. That is taking for granted that we are talking about the very best of the best doing the cleaning and cooking.

So, if it is a hopeless endeavor to be able to cook up good, clean, very high purity product, why did I say earlier that there are those out there who have done it?



It is my opinion that the ones who produce the extremely clear, crunchy, stable crystals are the ones who have mastered the most important, but often overlooked, part of the process.

Oh yeah..............it's the recrystallization process of course.

PS-- sparkie, I would have to agree with the vast majority of your views on the mechanisms involved in the crystallization process. It's something that everyone can learn about without having to come to a forum that is so specific. These processes and techniques are well documented in the quote "legitimate" scientific community.