Have any of you dreamers dreamed of using j*p*n dr**r to clean pseudo? If so, how much and for how long?

is it only me who doesnt know what the fuck your talking about---wanna give me a hint on what J P N DR is?????

japan drier

ok ill bite,,,whats a japan drier,,,,sounds like a 4foot slopehead rolling around in a clothes drier

lol kirby. it is a chemical that has been found usefull in the cleaning of pills. im looking for some info on it now. ill post what i find. i have read about it before its just a matter of finding it again.

Ibee believes he may have tamed the orange beast (orange gakk II) with the use of TCE(tetrachloroethylene) and Japan Drier(petroleum distillate and Naphthenic Salts).

The Orange II Gaak appears to be a waxy/oily substance that can bee seen after it separates in a mixture of Naptha, hcl, and H2O. This sample was collected from a post-rxn solution that was purposely run with the Orange Gaak and left to settle in an acidic solution of Naptha/dh2o/hcl for 48 hours.

Part of determining what it is, involves isolating it and observing it's behavior!

It misbehaves!

It's soluble in naptha when basic. It precipitates out into h2o when acidified. However, it will separate out and float on h2o if left to settle over 48hours. It is a waxy, white oily substance.



The reasoning behind the use of Japan Drier:

Ibee believes OrangeII gaak to have a paraffinic association which makes Naptha extremely attractive to it. More specifically, petroleum distillates or hydrocarbons, if you will. Ibee Could be wrong.

This may be why xylene and toluene keeps it at bay for the most part until strongly basic.

It may move into any non-polar above pH 12, Ibee believes!

Just like meth.

Based on it misbehavior, Ibee decided to give it some toys that it may like and cling to! Japan Drier.

(Japan Drier=Speeds drying of oil-based paints/enamel/varnish=Paint Stores/Do-It-Yo-self Centers

TCE=brakeparts/electricparts cleaners=Autoparts stores)

The following is what Ibee performed as a successful method of pfed extraction from a known OIIGaak Candidate! Ibee isn't claiming this as a cure until more brands of OTC can be tested to verify consistancy and success across the board with this method.

1 Box 24ct White 60's generic a-phids w/trip(2.5mg)

Inactive Ingredients

•Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose•Magnesium Stearate•Starch•Titanium Dioxide•MAY ALSO CONTAIN:Carnauba Wax•Hydroxypropyl Cellulose•Lactose•Polyethylene Glycol•Polysorbate 80•Povidone•Pregelatinized Starch•Silica Gel•Silicon Dioxide•Sodium Phosphate•Sodium Starch Glycolate•Stearic Acid•Sucrose

1.2g pfed was obtained from an expected 1.44g

Some irregular shape crystals were observed in addition to the pinwheels. Ordinarily, this would have undergone further cleaning but the Kidz were concerned with eliminating the just the orangegaak on this trip.

extraction

50ml TCE was combined with 10ml japan drier and stirred completely.

The resulting solution was lavender colored.

This was added to finely GUP (ground up pills), stirred, then liquid and PM (pillmass) poured into a single coffee filter.

The PM was then sprayed down inside the filter with TCE using a spraytube and the whole mass squeezed of excess liquid.

This turned the PM lightblue instead of the light purple that was expected. The filter stayed pure white which indicated that triprolidine was activated in the PM and it wasn't a coloration due to the japan drier.

This lightblue PM was spread out to dry on paper and turned white upon drying.

120ml denatured alky was added to the dry white PM in a tall jar and shaken.

Alky Settled clear above PM in 60 minutes. A lightblue PM layed under the alky, indicating trip trapped in the PM.

The alky was carefully pulled off the top of the PM and put through fine filtration and collected in a pyrex pie plate.

Another 120ml denatured alky was poured over the PM, settled, then finely filtered and collected in a separate plate.

The result was 1.2g pfed after just the two pulls. A third pull was not done because Ibee wanted to observe the PM sediment when dried in the jar. Pfed will always bee on top of dried PM after alky evaps off.

Ibee uses these dried samples for further disection and analysis in determining Gaak levels and identity.

rxn

1.2ml dh2o

1.2g E

1.2g MBRP(2nd run)

3g I2(from tinc)

Combined dh2o, I2, MBRP in very small liqueur bottle and stirred.

No noticable activity after 10 min.

Added E and stirred thoroughly.

Capped with balloon attached to 4inch tube

Put on 105°C heat in oilbath and left to cook 24hr.

Pulled off heat, uncapped and stirred.

Still liquidy. Ibee likes it more solidified but Smelled done. Could have gone the extra 6 hours but Ibee was only concerned with presense of orangegaak, not unreacted.

75ml dh2o added, rp fell out. Heated then filtered.

clear light yellow post-rxn fluid

Added dilute naoh splashwise.

Turned white...then curdled...then moved UP into warm naptha.

No sign of orangegaak...no sign of emulsion after 3rd NP pull and spent post-rxn solution was clear next day.

Much to Ibee's delight...the resulting crystals upon evap were meth with just a hint of unreacted.

Bioassay lasted sleepless from a thurs midnight to sunday around 9:00pm when the slumberjacks stopped by for a visit!

Not too shabby for a gram!

Good clean buzz.



thanks to ware over at CH2 for this info. so there you have it in one post. what japan drier is, what its purpose is in the extraction and how to use it and the end result. i think i read that this was a reprint from the hive. if so than thanks to the bees over there as well. these bees are the ones that come up with the extraction techniques we all swear by and they are the ones that are in the trenchs trying to isolate and combat these new inactives the pill companies are constantly dreaming up. (all using there own precious rescources i might add) so id just like to take a moment to thank em all for there time and rescources. without them, guys like SWIM wouldnt be able to extract anything from todays cold pills. the old methonol only extraction is pretty much a days gone by thing. being replaced with the straight to E and the straight to B extraction methods. if you want more info run a search on japan drier and orange gakk and orange gakkII over at ch2 and/or the hive.

[This message has been edited by Wicked_Rain (edited 09-16-2003).]

here is some more info on orange gak1 and orange gakk2 from ware over at CH2. thanks again ware & CH2!!!

The color signs to look for concerning orange gaaks will be found in the polar layer when basing.

OrangeII gaak will turn the basified solution a rootbeer color.

OrangeI gaak will turn the basified solution bluish at around pH 13 then purple above pH 13.

Upon settling after ~24hrs, it will be noticed that the surface emulsion contains more color.

It's best to remove the colored scum(retain for disection) before proceeding or add 1ml or 2ml h2o2 to break UP and oxidize the emulsion. The h2o2 works best after salting the basified solution.

Re-add a dual NP and re-base solution to push the goodies UP.

When working UP gaaked post-rxn goodies, Ibee has had best results when using dual solvents.

The ultimate NP solution would be a 50/50 mixture of ether and naptha and this leaves room for a trisolvent concoction by adding a few ml tetra to the whole mess.

As long as toluene or xylene are not in the picture, a squirt or two of tetra into the polar layer may disable the encapsulators and help shove the gaak to the bottom and away from the amine.

damn here is another excellent post from ware at CH2. i have to include it to. man we owe this bee beyond comprehension for his efforts and insights.

originly posted by wareami over at CH2:

This is the third OrangeGaak brand to bee kicked to the curb using Ibee's "Purple Beat Juice"

Another Actifool knockoff known to contain OrangeII gaak bites the dust!

48ct box yield expected 2.88g

Active Ingredients:

•Triprolidine hcl 2.5mg

•Pfed hcl 60mg

Inactive Ingredients: cellulose•hydroxypropyl methylcellulose•lactose•magnesium stearate•polyethylene glycol•silica gel•starch•stearic acid•titanium dioxide

Procedure description:

50ml Tetrachloroethylene(TCE)

10ml Japan Drier(JD)

Denatured Alky

Acetone

Mix TCE and JD thoroughly and pour over finely powdered pillmass(PM) obtained from mortar&pestal.

This brand doesn't have a shell coating.

Stir very well then pour PM/BeatJuice into funnel lined with single coffee filter.

Carefully spray down PM on filtersides with tetra using spraytube.

Squeeze excess Juice from filter/PM.

Spread PM out to dry on glass plate. Don't use paper!

You will have a light blue PM that will dry white.

When dry, pour PM into tall cylindrical jar.

Add 10 times amount Denat Alky and stir!

Let Alky clear then Pull alky/pfed off top and put through fine filtration collecting filtrate in evap dish.

Repeat addition of alky to PM twice.

Scrap UP pfed. The first evap dish should be sticky and won't want to dry! The second dish will scrape up with very little sticky mess. Third dish scrapes UP dry!

Combine all three evap plates and Add 50ml acetone to sticky mess and swirl vigorously braking UP xtals as they crash out!

You'll bee left with a blue liquid and pure pfed!

Pour off blue liquid and VIOLA......Absolutely white pure pfed crystals!

Nice...very nice!

Something about napthenic salts!

It's working like a charm.

Yield=2.5g sparkling white pfed.

thank you for the leg work wicked,,,very interesting---havent seen froggy around for awhile,,musta shit the bed and stuck to it

anytime kirby. like you said all SWIM did was push a few keys and the info was made available by people far smarter than SWIM. i just relayed what i found. the real thanks gos to wareami, geez, acidmelt, pikk, beebo,lukkyd, sinus and many many others over at CH2 & the-hive. SWIM prolly forgot some very important names but SWIM has only 1 brain cell and those names he forgot to mention the thanks is no less. as far as treefag go`s, after reading some of his last posts he is prolly in rehab or a rubber room.

call me stupid .. but the CH2 forum

where might this be found dude

good luck convict--its not an address thats shared often,,and by that i mean i dont have it either

ah hah

<------- knowledge gained

CH2 is a special kind of place. its NOTHING like this place. dont get SWIM wrong he likes totse. he has made some friends, learned some shit, met some assholes, said his piece and been told off, sometimes all in one day lol. at CH2 SWIM reads and reads and learns shit he wonders how he got along not knowing. theres no flaming there. SWIM dont know if its not allowed or its just not done. a peacefull place full of knowledge. SWIM wont give out the addy cuz he was invited there. not to mention i dont wanna step on any toes here. tryp and AM already overlook some of my antics, i dont wanna push it. lol maybe someone from there will read this and get in touch with you kirby. maybe you can throw out an online email addy in this thread that someone might be able to get ahold of you and send you the addy. hmmm just a thought. totse is kinda like 1st thru 6th grade and CH2 is 9th thru 12th if you get my drift. CH2 is about education and research and not a free speech site like totse. you have free speech there untill your speech has been deemed stupid or attacking by people that know bullshit when they see it. SWIM can pass on info from there and know its sound, tried and tested. as you see they post exact methods, equipment and measurements and complete results. kirby you would learn alot there and be an asset of info as well. SWIM thinks you should throw an addy out there and see what happens. damn SWIM has wrote a fuckin book again lol sign of good dreams heh

Yeah, the peeps at CH are real peaceful. I found the info at the other place, but appreciate the answers.Much respect for a guy that'll take the time to post so much info. May th e meth gods always smile on you!

Excellent info Wicked Rain! Btw, has Wicked

been out lookin for moose lately? Gettin ready for Isabel, hopefully it will slow down some more. Later WR!

WickedRain:

Your descriptions of CH are excellent. I'm sure you understand why it is "Home" to many of us. Truth and Friendliness. And you're right Wicked, we'll call the bullshit if we see it!

The whole attitude of the site is different over there, as you stated. Not free speech, but rather a growing data-base tried and trusted methods. It makes the moderators jobs over there a little easier than here, I'm sure! It's easier to seperate the truth from bullshit when the piles of bullshit are smaller.

Lukky D

Wow...the descriptions of this new place make switrd wonder. Like the meth garden of eden?? Perhaps one day, switrd will also receive the key that unlocks that door.

Maybe the search engine there works better than here.

well if anyone does have the address it would be appreciated frayze2002@hotmail.com

Hey, If you can buy the sudafe d box of ten w/240mg per tab. My friend had orange crap too, til he went with those. He just soaked 'em Acetone-20 minute or so, before he crushed them-then put the pill powder in about a cup and a half of denatured alcohol-he let 'em soak for like 24 hours-boiled off denat. al- scraped up powder- cold water filter- boil off- repeat if you need to. But that was it.

And that got them fuckers clean? I don't think so!

From what i've read(and personal experience), the minimum cleaning requires a 12 to 24 hour soak in mineral turps,or an equivalent non polar(Swik uses xylene), a number of boils and/or soaks in a variety of other solvents, and a huge amount of dancing and praying to the meth gods.

AMEN on the danceing and praying, must leave now. legs are VERY tired.

rnx