there are so many ppl now days that are all about the Long wet cook.SWIA for one has never been into waiting 2 or 3 days for his crystals, so like other cooks that started around 7 to 10 years ago, he learned and lived by the short quick cook. Not many did the long cooks back then. Some say that its not as clean, and truthfully it isnt. But the addition of these different things makes the drug better in SWIAs mind. With the short cook, the buzz is way more euphoric with a lot more fireworks. The buzz doesnt have the long legs like the long cook though. Now with the long cook, you have a really clean product that has the long legs....but the buzz (which is the important part in SWIAs book) is really boring. It actually feels just like desoxyn(which is should since desoxyn is script meth).... but the buzz is BORING. there is no euphoria and there is no fireworkds with the long cook.

Now there are a couple of guidelines when you are going to dream about the short cook.

1. The prescursers have to be REALLY REALLY clean. You dont have as much leeway as you do with a long cook. any form of ephedrine will work nicely. SWIA prefers freebase ephedrine but hcl works just as well.

2. Start the cook at 120F and slowly move up to 180F over the period of 1 to 1.5 hours. Idealy you should have it up to 180F about 40 to 45 minutes in to the cook though.

3. Do some extra cleaning on the post-rxn a/b.

4. I have more but Im too high to remember right now. I will edit this later.

*taking notes*

Acidmelt is correct about the ido-impurities in the hot/dry/fast cook causing that same ephuric/high you get from smoking crack or huffing nitrous oxide.

The only thing that sucks about this is the low yeilds and the withdrawls but its worth it.

There isn't anything to compare that bust-ass

euphoric, glad to be alive, love everyone,

watch porno, pretend to be in a porno, mow the yard, clean the house, read totse post's,

type of HIGH! How many days have I been up??

too many!!! lol

I bet if you do one of these drier/hotter cooks for a long period of time instead of a few hours, the yeild of ido-meth would be HIGHer.



I wonder why ammonia/lithium dope gives that same euphoria high? Cant be ido-meth.

uh, bill...you just described all of the finer point of the leggy slow dance. The hottie is gonna give you that head tingling, I'm invinsible, totally out of control but I'm in complete control of it, huh?, what? whatever, kind of high followed by fbi dea down the street, neighbors tappin the phone line, special ops on the roof, jikky kind of stuff. Later SOMETIMES, its the oh, shit my head is swimmin, can't see straight, my neck is killin me, can't stand up all he way kind of thing.

AM--

I am a bit curious about that temp. Is it correct that you only take it up to 180F? That's only 80C. Refluxers generally shoot for about 85-90C, so I was wondering if its more like 180C you're speaking of. There are variances, of course, in temps from one guy to the next, but I thought it hovered around 150C or 302F. Most of them state that the ceiling on temp should be 180C or 356F.

I almost hate to say this, but Swigotta has probably been getting the "correct" results from the experimental batches all along (well, not all of them, but the ones in which special attention to clean precursors was given). I guess I was just expecting to be able to achieve the same kind of product found after simmering forever. In hindsight, I don't know why I would have thought that way. It really never occured to me until sleepy started talking about lower yields and heavy on the iodo compounds. I always assumed they did not possess any favorable properties. Jam, believe it or not, is the one who really put everything together for me.

NSleepy--

If the side reacted products are where the euphoric properties originate, then perhaps thats why the lithium method produces such effects. Is it true that the lithium method contains a lot more impurities than other methods?

Anyway, I'm paranoid enough already just from daily life and brain damage from my mom dropping me on my head too many times when I was a baby (not really). I like the pure, clean motivation produced by the long haul. I just hate waiting so long for the ship to dock.

It figures that it would be like you said from the very beginning, Acidmelt. Its a matter of preference. There are some who like (because they can handle it) that flat out, pedal to the metal, feeling. Myself, I just want more hours in the day.

I'm truly sorry for so adamently trying to make it a matter of right and wrong.

To all the newbees that I have possibly lead to believe that the short, hot doesn't produce "the killa" as Shooter puts it, let me say this:

You can definitely produce some potent dope with the short, hot method Acidmelt describes. He has the experience and credibility, as well as a few others considered legendary, to guide those who seek to establish and perfect their own version of this technique. If this is you, it would be beneficial to read and study posts by Acidmelt, Worlock, Jacked, Placebo and there are more that I can't think of right now.

I suppose I'm a bit slow figuring things out, but just like I can't say much about the birch method because of the lack of experience and passion in that area, the same goes for the short, hot.

You gotta love it to be able to know enough about it to help others get it right.

How do you think a guy as young as he is got a reputation as grand as he has?

PS--

AM, if I have said anything to your discredit, tell me and I will humbly submit a retraction of any and all such statements. You have my respect.

Uh Gogo... I think you have made your point!

All of this debating over wet long, verses

short hot, has given people a simple choice.

Do one or the other. All of the pros and cons

have been beat to death!!!whewwww

I went to school at the University of "Short and Hot", and as far as my teacher knew, it was the only school...but I knew there was other ways of thinking, and always wanted to try taking the long road, it took a long time but I finally preped up for the long hall, and went from 3-4 hours to over 2 DAYS! You can read the results further detailed in daveydavey's "lavalamp" punchballoon" thread.

The results were virtually identical, aside from possibly a bit more initial "stump grinding torque" from the shorty.

But I always prepare my precursers cleanly and completely, regardless of how long, hot or wet I'm gonna' cook the shit.

ALSO...I have left out a MASSIVE factor in my other posts that no doubt has a huge influence on my experiments that cannot be overstated:

Lately, and as often as I can,(but most importantly in Exp.A-short and Exp.B-long) I use(d) "raw" or "gun show" RP. Here in

I don't think I have to explain how RP of this grade compares to MBRP in terms of convenience and potency- AS FOR THIS AND RELATED THREADS AND SUBJECT MATTER RELATIVE TO "OUR FAVORITE METHOD OF REDUCTION", IT HAS BEEN OBSERVED THAT USING CLEAN, "HIGH GRADE" RP ~~STRONGLY~~ INFLUENCES THE TIME IT TAKES TO COMPLETE (OR CLOSE-E-FUCKIN-NOUGH TO COMPLETE FOR OUR PRACTICAL, NON-SUPER-CRITICAL PURPOSES)THE REDUCTION OF EPHEDRINE.

In other words, it doesn't take as long with quality RP.

HOWEVER, I, like most of my brothers, don't have a reliable consistant source for this grade of RP. Its here today...but it may be gone before I finish typing this...we all know the nature of the "black-market underground society"......

....Thats why I took it a step further than basic training (from my brothers at great academies such as this and CH) and became an "MBRP Commando", so I'll be the first to tell you that you can get matchbook red PRETTY DAMN CLOSE to the "raw" red if you're motivated and determined.

So in conclusion, concerning long/short debate and how its influenced by the grade of your RP or the chef's abillity to bring it to suitable grade:

I've got the skill and the will

and the "pre"-patience that pays

In 4 hours I'll have the killa'

FUCK WAITING FOR DAYS!

LOL!

(I still hate using that cheesy-ass "lol" thing...but its the only way to express that I'm something for humor or friendliness', It indicates the "tone". I wouldn't want to come off sounding like an asshole when I was actually just stating the undisputable scientifically proven fact that the "shortER" (not short, cause short implies "short of") synthesis, in a no-holds brawl, would stomp the living shit out of the "deep and wet" or whatever you call it synthesis!

LOL!

Seriously though guys...we are all bros here...we all play for the same team...........some of us just have a mental disorder that causes us to want to wait ridiculous amounts of time for thier dope for unknown reasons.

LOL!

PEACE

Shooter

The short/dry cook vs the long wet reflux has to be one of the most argued subjects out there.i guess its really just a matter of personal choice.i think one must bee a bit more skilled for the short dry cook.Swims first synth was the AM synth.since that time hes tried many other ways to reduce his effy.swim always goes back to the AM synth because in his opinion it makes top of the line gear!further more yields ranging in the 70% range can be had it just takes pratice,clean precursers and the willingness to learn from past mistakes.

I'd like to restate the fact that in my experiments (lava lamp style) the heat was the same for both the long and the short, heat that is not excessive, yet very, VERY sufficient to keep the rxn bubbling vigorously until it is removed from the heat.

The results were the same. The short was a bit more intense or POTENT if you will, all the effects mentioned in the "slow dance" intensified...more profound.



Which leads to this logical deduction:

If these effects are too intense for you, lower your dosage...and save killa'.