I believe I read a post where some1 had this occurance...but I cant find it...maybe its too long and the post is gone now. Oh well.

Would any1 happen to know why swiveys meth is popping when put onto a foil? Swivey cleaned it twice already but still pops. Is this junk, it seems like chemical salt rocks but its appearance is of the same nature as my first batch...ever encountered that guys???

Swivey was gonna smoke it...buuuuut it started popping like popcorn...sooooo...she ate it...LOL J/K LOL

Seriously though, is this fixable????

DD

seen it only when someone has made a serious mistake in cleaning,,,look at what your doing,,,find your mistake,,,and dont do it again,,from memory it may be a gluten your not getting

OK, I'll try to stumble through this one. Tell me about the post reaction workup.

Did you add plain ole salt to help push the freebase up intop the NP? If so, how much?

Did you heat it after it had been diluted and salt added (if added), and based?

How did you crystallize or recrystallize the end product?

This same phenomenon has been observed by a guy I know. Every time he has seen it, the dope has been very good, producing a good clean high. Four hits back to back will knock you on your ass.

But what about that popping? You may have already figured it out, but just in case--

Melt it slowly the first time. Add some heat and when it first begins to pop take the heat away. Wait a few seconds (like 5) then do it again. By the time you get it to liquify, it will be fine. Roll it around. It should crystallize in the pipe about 3-5 seconds after the heat is removed. The crystals will look like chizel marks on a piece of glass if you can picture that. If not, how about a bed of quartz crystals.

Well, anyway, melt it slow the first time and it will be ok from then on.

OR, it could just be that this fella purchases his meth and someone decided to cut it with MSM, Methyl Sulfonyl Methane, a clear colorless compound that has been widely known used to cut meth.

Yeah davey...switrd has also had some that did the same type of thing. In fact his buddy bought some the other day from some of switrd's neighborhood, and it did exactly as gotta has explained. And yes it was excellent after the initial popping subsides. This will happen as soon as you liquify it the first time in your PeNeLoPe.

"OR, it could just be that this fella purchases his meth and someone decided to cut it with MSM, Methyl Sulfonyl Methane, a clear colorless compound that has been widely known used to cut meth."

Mnm, if you'll read the post as well as recent success stories, you would realize this couldn't be the case.

I've been trying to find the explaination for this and I can't.

Here's a little something you can use. Popping occurs more often when the product is fresh out of the filter. After a few days in a dessicator (product in small jar that is in another larger jar that has epsom salt in the bottom. Little jar lid loose, big jar lid tight) it won't pop as much as it did at first.

double D--

If you can, please answer the post reaction questions. I am curious as to how this "popcorn meth" came about.

Salt pops

Gotti,

sorry it took awhile for me to reply...time difference is a killer.

Salt, she never added any...weird isn't it.

Anyways, this is her post rxn..........

1. turn off lavalamp...let it stand and cool till room temp.

2. filter out leftover rp.... the honey was a little redish/maroonish.

3. she diluted the honey with 5 times its volume with hot ass dh2o and filtered while hot leaving red crap in the filter. honey was left yellowish.

4. she raised the ph with 20% sodium hydroxide and 80% dh2o(she did drop a little pure sodium in though without dilution due to so much water seeming to be present, maybe 1/8 to 1/4 of a teaspoon)till ph12.

5. seperated from acidic water and used toulene as my np, shook the hell out of it and let it sit and seperate. seperated the np and repeated the pull with her np 2 more times.

6. added all three liquid extractions of np and gassed it with hcl.

7. filtered the powder and used the leftover np and gassed again and filtered again. did this a total of 3 times.

8. let it dry and cleaned it 2-3 times with cold acetone. wait till dried and swivey smoked it...pop pop though



Swivey got a lot on her yield 5.---some grams. pop pop though until.............

Gotti filled swivey in and YEAH!!!!!!!! great shit........very great shit.......swivey wants to cry......thanks to gotti....the myth the man the legend....YES YOU R DA MAN!!!!!!!!!! THANKS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUUUUUUUUUUUCH.

KISSES FOR YOU....If you were here......she swears....LOL JK JK sorry bout that gotti...but MWAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

she honestly doesnt know exactly why it came out much better than her first batch....but oh well works for swivey and she'll take notes from now on...you know us newb'''''s.LOL she promises to figure it out. sorry

THANKS TO ALL FOR helping Swivey succeed,

DD

perhaps it is the result of free radicals in the iodine unleashed by the exposure of the rxn to photo energy. just a thought. neversleepy says to coat the bottom of the rxn flask with soot from a bic lighter to minimize this effect. beebo says to reconfigure the lamp base to take a standard household bulb and then screw in a blacklight bulb. like i said just a few wondering thoughts.

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6. added all three liquid extractions of np and gassed it with hcl.

7. filtered the powder and used the leftover np and gassed again and filtered again. did this a total of 3 times.

While I am not implying this is indeed the cause of your problem, it could be one reason why you have salt in your goods.

Since:

NaOH + HCl ---> NaCl + H2O

Typically, after combining all of your NP solutions you will want to do a few washes with dH2O to rid your extract of any residual NaOH.

A good way to tell when you have done this, is by testing the pH of the dH2O after seperation. When the pH is no longer abover 7-8 you are ready to gas.

While technically, Non-Polar solvents are not supposed to have a pH, you will find in application this is not always true, they can retain residual pH from solution.

Thanks guys for your input....it really helps swivey.

She will approach the rxn and post rxn with your views. hopefully everything will turn out great...as usual with every1's help...it just keeps getting better and better.

Thanks guys,

DD

EDIT: Damn, how long did it take me to write this thing. When I started, your post rxn post was the last one. Now, a lot more is there. I better start typing faster or thinking faster.

That is wonderful news. I can still remember the first time Swigotta got it right. It wasn't nothing compared to yours. Bam! Bam! Back to back successes. Just be careful and don't go around bubblin your excitement everywhere. That's what this place is for. Unfortunately, LE doesn't look at this as a hobby.

I wanted to go through your post rxn just a bit if you don't mind.

First, though, the salt thing is a bit puzzling. Since Swigotta has come up with this before he is quite interested if this is NaCl salt produced by an excess of NaOH that is suspended in the NP and the hcl used to make the hydrochloride we all know and love. For anyone with additional chemistry insight, since NaOH and hcl make NaCl, would this salt end up in your evap dish? I thought that NaCl was insoluble in alcohol. Is this true?

OK enough of that.

Here's a few things I noticed:

"1. turn off lavalamp...let it stand and cool till room temp."

Although its ok, you don't need to cool it down to room temp. Cooling it for 10-15 minutes is plenty.

"2. filter out leftover rp.... the honey was a little redish/maroonish."

It is a good idea to add some hot (boiling) DH2O to the flask before you pour it into the filter. You can also use this to rinse your flask and subsequently, your filtered rp. This greatly reduces loss from the filter paper sucking up product. It also helps to get everything out of the flask and rinses the rp more completely.

NOTE: This is the 5X dilution water you used in step three. You can also use a small cotton ball in the neck of the funnel to get that color out. This will make it necessary to filter the diluted post rxn fluid only once.

"4. she raised the ph with 20% sodium hydroxide and 80% dh2o(she did drop a little pure sodium in though without dilution due to so much water seeming to be present, maybe 1/8 to 1/4 of a teaspoon)till ph12.

I don't think the water makes a difference unless its extreme. If there is a solubility gradient I am missing here, someone please correct me. pH 12 is on the edge. It won't hurt anything to take it all the way to 14 (unless that orange gaak thing is in your area. Its not around here.) Since you only went to 12 that blows the shit out of my whole excessive NaOH forming salt thing. Good.

Two things about the pH. One, you may still have some goodies in there. Two, a technique along the lines of kerplunking will more than likely get you another 10% or more out of the leftovers. It may not be much now, but to a 50-60g. batch, you can get another 8 ball out. Try this on the left over post rxn fluid.

Make sure you have extra NP in your post rxn fluid jar or whatever you are heating in.

Before you add more base, put it on medium heat with a lid on it, not tight, but not loose. Just enough that it won't build up pressure. When you see the crap in the bottom churning around, turn the heat up a little more (a liter or less of liquid usually takes about 20-30 minutes to get here.) When it begins to boil, watch it closely and let it boil gently for maybe 15 minutes, then add a few drops at a time of your leftover sodium hydroxide solution. When the bottom layer changes dramatically and stays that way, thats it. Add a ml. or so more NaOH just to make sure you have reached 14 and take it off the heat. Let it sit undisturbed overnight. In the morning, pull off the np and do whatever you did the first time (gas, wash whichever.) I believe you will be suprised what you'll find.

"5. seperated from acidic water and used toulene as my np, shook the hell out of it and let it sit and seperate. seperated the np and repeated the pull with her np 2 more times."

This has me a little confused. If you are saying that you pulled the freebase meth out of the water using toluene, then ok. Consider this:

When basing, the freebase needs somewhere to go as it forms and suddenly doesn't find water attractive any more. Its a good idea to have your np in the post rxn fluid before basing. During this stage, it is not necessary, and actually can be a bad thing, to shake the jar. How you got away without producing an emulsion layer as big as the whole jar is beyond me. The meth gods must be proud of your efforts. Stirring while you base, basing slowly over a period of 30 min, and stirring a little more when basing is complete, will be sufficient.

The salt comes in right here. Since our molecule of choice forms hydrogen bonds with the water and apparently can get "stuck" in the water layer, adding plain salt at this point will release the meth from the water and allow it to move on up into the NP. Do that to the leftovers jar described above also.

It looks like its time for you to learn the dual solvent recrystallization. It really is the easiest of any of the procedures you have done. As long as you understand the basic theory, it will be a piece of cake. The product it produces is of a much higher quality than simple crystallization. Make sure you learn Worlocks dual solvent recrystallization technique with acetone and alcohol (denatured or isopropyl) before you look into other techniques. The principle is sound and his way is easy.

I appreciate your flattery, although a young girl like you would probably give an old family man like me a heart attack. hahahaha

You keep on keepin on. Be safe and remember, there is nothing that says you must have reaction failures. Consistently repeat what you know works for you and maybe you never will.

[This message has been edited by gottagogo (edited 09-15-2003).]

Thanks Gotti for your very insightful reply.

Your help has never let me take small steps, but rather giant leaps.

IN RESPONSE TO YOUR #'s

2. Ive combined 2 funnels to incorporate a double filter system with coffe filters. color usually sticks to 1st filter but 2nd filter picks up a little leftover coloring.

4. I have to shop for bigger bottles, presently i use glass spice bottles which only hold so many ounces. No orange gaak here so ph14 i will do. glad you could inform me about recovering hidden candy. I'll try your suggestion.

5.ok ok, no shaking. how did i get away with that, i have no idea but consider that part gone. LOL I understand the salt part(read it on a post rxn workup somewhere)...but never heard any1 describe it on this forum so i cut that out.

Ill make to sure to read worlocks tech.

True, I know what works, but its fun teaching swivey and i dont really like to be so repetitious. With patience Ill learn more and just have fun making different qualities of candies. LOL Its very entertaining to experiment.



Thanks again,

DD