Swim jus went and bought a 1,000,000 cp spotlight swim was wondering if he could use that for the e/rp/i rxn.Swim figures it would be a quicker reduction because more heat and swim is not sure how much heat the spotlight gives off in f degrees. Swimo also plans to use a hard glass jar for the rxn would this work kinda like a big thick pickle jar..Swim is hoping to do the rxn is 4 hours or around that at the most 6 hours swim is sicking of taking alot of time and swim knows there has to be an easier way with less time involved in rxn could someone with experience about fast rxn cooks with high temps plz advise thanks =).Swim also wants to know what one thinks of these ingriedents in measurements..6oz of iodine,1 bottle of 16 oz h202,300 match books and 3-6 grams of pseduo swim is not going to use alot of chemicals for this rxn just in case it doesn't work out swim does not won't to be out of alot of money..swim is hoping to get back a lil over a g of nice shiny crystals could someone advise =) oh and dh2o swim is thinking about 7ml maybe a lil less

The following info is for informational purposes only, theoretical in nature...use common sense and research extremely well...use at your own risk...yadda yadda yadda...

Hey Sutt...On the chance of being chastized for the mention of the shorty hotty coupled with the fact that Swirh has neither the letters "A" or "M" in his name--here goes nothing... Swirh is basing the following on the hypothetical classic Slacker synth that is posted at the entrance to this forum... Not a complete writeup but some areas to consider... Swirh has found on the the shorter cook... he would say to get a visions pan (or one that can be placed on a burner--if you don't have a hotplate)...Jus saying this cause if you don't have a filter flask and are planning on using a pickle jar...Swirh naturally assumes that Sutt doesn't have hotplate...Correct if wrong...

Anyhow, use the vision (or equilavent) with the candy thermometer (off the bottom of the pan) to prejudge the temp points of 150 and 180F... As stated in Slacker... use clean dry reagents... As per using a pickle jar...SwiSutt (sounds like an old martial arts movie sound effect huh?) could probably ghetto improvise a hose coming out of top as well as ensuring an airtight seal...(Swirh would just get a filter flask...but hey MacGuyver baby if u gotta)...The flask would be a better choice but with the visions waterbath... the jar MIGHT be ok... you make the choice to risk it...Ya never know... It would be a shame tho--to get almost there and hear that stomach wrenching panic enducing sound of cracking glass...It won't take you long bout an hour or so... Just follow the Slacker and you will be all right...

The biggest time consumer is the cleaning steps prior to the final dance....On the I...Swirh would have to say that the ratio of H2o2 is excessive...Swirh thinks he read somewhere that 1:1 on the I:H202 is sufficient...But remember that cleanliness is always an important area to pay attention to...That is about as quick as you are gonna get this way... in Swirh's limited experience... Anyhow, don't know if this will help... but there is a spin on it... Peace...

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I can help you a little on the ghetto part. Anything over 100C is really pushing it with the pickle jar or any other non lab glass container. Any time you have to use a non lab glass jar, make sure you have a "aluminum sleeve" as I like to call it. You make it (of course, thats what all the tweakin is for) by yanking out a big ole piece of aluminum foil and start smoothly folding it down until you have a square (perfect square). When you sit your jar in question down in the center of the square, it is just large enough os that you are able to pull the sides of the foil up to about the halfway point.

From here on in you must rely on your tweaker instincts to help you decide how to fold, smooth, and crimp that baby into a beautifully hand crafted aluminum bowl, conforming exactly to the shape of the jar.

I know a guy, who just the other day was boilin a little pseudo pm in a very large motts applesauce jar. These are well known (to the guy anyway) to be very reliable (as much as jars can be called reliable). He has several of these shape conforming, heat insulating sleeves next to his heating area.

That thick pm on the bottom of the jar really can hold a lot of heat(thats why its important to stir it a lot when doing the straight to E). Well, he was fucking off or something and was reminded of the job at hand when he heard that dreaded, but distinctive ping or maybe you prefer the word clink. It automatically strikes fear in the heart of anyone who has suffered substantial loss from this demons ability to take the entire bottom off of a jar that is filled with hot liquid that not only represents a days worth of driving all over town, but is flooding hot electrical connections with extremely volitile solvents.

When he realized that the jar was surrounded by an aluminum sleeve, he regained his composure, positioned his back up jar, prayed to the meth gods for steady hands, and slowly picked the pinged jar from the (ghetto) hot plate. He forgot that meth gods require incantations and do not know how to interpret prayer. Half way up, the bottom fell out and swoosh, the sleeve was full of pm/elixir slurry. He picked up the sleeve and poured the contents into back up jar, rinsed it out into new jar and lost maybe a quarter gram of theoretical pseudo that splashed on his arms. He WILL remember incantations next time, but the sleeve completely contained the contents.

You know, all I really wanted to do was emphasize the importance of having a good safety protocol in place, especially when using ghetto equipment. Aluminum sleeves are worth their weight in gold the very first time you need it. If the result of the mishap would have been a fire that brought on the police and fire departments, the value instantly soars to priceless.

Good tip there Gotta...Swirh might utilize that one sometimes...Like the tweaker sense too. Marvel should come out with a superhero who is jacked up to the hilt and runs around like hell (wait...they already have the Flash) Tho on the Motts... everytime that Swirh tried to extract using one of those...the applesauce jellied up and ended up messing up the whole shebang...He then realized that it would be best to EMPTY the jar first---wow how did he ever miss that? jk... anyhow thanx for the info... Peace

Why not use canning jars, since they are designed to take the heat of a pressure cooker?

Hey there Kman...the canning jars are still susceptable to the hot spots resulting from heating them with a burner/equiv versus a pressure cooker... And that reminds something that ole Swirh said about (not about canning jars...but jars anyhow) using one brand of sauerkraut jar that was akin to the Motty's there Gotta... But as my memory is about as lenghty as my genitalia...Where am I? How did I get here? Who are you? If I happen to recall the name of the brand (and have time without being physically threatened to have keyboard of some other periph. device hurled/introduced with my body by the O.L.) Peace

swim has seen his boy use plastic containers and pickle jars and using spotlight for heat but his friend was doing the annie method...Swim is assuming maybe to try a plastic container and use the aluminum foil bowl method swim will let everyone here know how it works out. Swim could use a flask,hotplate etc...swim wants another way that takes less time and = quality dope @ finish =)

swim is fixing to try something to see what happens. He is just put a plastic orange juice bottle on the spotlight filled with water swim plans to watch it to see how it reacts and if the water boils and evaporates.Swim figures if it holds up then it would hold up to the rxn aswell swim has many other ideas to swim is also thinking about trying to produce hi gas by just droppin in the striker pads with the iodine crystals into the container then adding a lil hcl then swim plans to crush up a few pills and drop them in do a quick rxn cook then gas to see what quality if any swim will produce...Swim is always experimenting for quicker and better results nothing else for swim to do when he is not working or at school =)

sutt...once an ass hole always an asshole, I guess. Have you learned nothing in the past few months that you've been here? I mean got damnit most everyone here has at one time or another stated that things that are quality take patience. If you want a wham bam thankyou man type of rxn, you had better go on back into the shadows with lord...your savior. Nothing thats worth a shit is easy to do or learn.

"shit happens....meth takes time."

swim just failed trying to use the stupid ass spotlight swim tried to boil water and the fucker ran out of power in 10 mins lol soo swim is going to get a lava lamp and do the fucking rxn for at least 24 hrs =)

why not take a spotlight that is really big, you know the kind that you pull behind a pickup. like they use at circus`s and grand openings and such, then get a 55 gallon barrell dump in a truck load of cold pills, packages and all. then dump in 50 cases of match strikers, matches and all. hell dont even open the cardboard boxes. a good hot rxn will clean it all up. then add your I2 crystals (perfectly dry & clean of course) add 5 gallons of DH2O and cook for 15 minutes at 500 degrees F. filter the rxn fluid and drink it. lol sutt if you spent as much time making product with methods you KNOW to work as you do trying to reinvent the wheel you would be ass deep in good quality shit. shakes head and laughs

Hey WR...on the Io...instead of em being dry and clean--could you just pour in straight tinc? Maybe use a 2 liter as a funnel to fill the 55 gal thru the bung...

All in fun Sutt...all in fun Peace

if you pour in straight tinc you have to cook it for 30 min and you know no one can wait that long for such a long cook. lol

haha swim is not worried about the comments on totse by most of you because swim likes to experiment and learn new ways and idea about chemicals with better rxns.Swim figures that if he just sat around like most of you then we would never have new and better methods with better ending products. Swim thanks that most of you will never become any better with rxns and always end up with pretty much the same potentcy of dope...Now swim on the otherhand will have no choice but to always get better and better ending dope because swim will search untill he finds that 30 min or 45 min cook that will give him the baddest dope around town...=)

"Now swim on the otherhand will have no choice but to always get better and better ending dope because swim will search untill he finds that 30 min or 45 min cook that will give him the baddest dope around town...=)"



Either that or blow your ass of the face of the planet.

hahaAHAHAHHAAHAHhHAhahahhhh@Rain mans new rxn.....horse, only use 7% tinc, and use a mountain dew pop bottle....the sides are 1/32 of an inch thicker than most=)

ahahahahahaaha

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Now swim on the otherhand will have no choice but to always get better and better ending dope because swim will search untill he finds that 30 min or 45 min cook that will give him the baddest dope around town...=)

Heh...GFL sutt... you are gonna need it...