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Old 2003-09-04, 09:33
tReePHrOg tReePHrOg is offline
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Default 1-Atm/57% HI bAllOOn StYle

Any and all sceptiSiCzM appreciated,

When using rP from anything BUT pharmecuetical grade, to make Hydriodic acid

at a concentration at or about 54-57%,

rP from strikers is usueable, but, The ballon style nano- cooks are seemingly entirely out of proportion in time.

Given the fact that E/rP/I2 is added to a vessel and water added, HI production starts either immediately or within a 10 minute period, 36 hours for totality in reduction is

wacked- Your pressure involved with the balloon is somewhat slowing down the CONCENTRATION and speed of known reactants,

if rxn materials react upon addition of water, thats fast, but not 54% yet, when the HI gassses/phosphgene develop inside your vessel the ballon, is creating a sort of backpressure, when (20 hours) good concentration of HI acid is available to fluid then reduction starts, I have never

heard of such bs that you have to reflux for

upward of 36 hours to reduce under 10 grams,

HI acid 57% from the jug will reduce 20 grams in under 10 hours. at 180-230F but thats with the push/pull, the push/pull setup

is extremely fast even when using rP from strikr because theres no pressure holding

the actual reaction back, This is causing 36 hour or more reduction/totalty figgures.

(balloon=more than 1 atm INSIDE vessel,)

any body with gases/liquids behavioral knowledge under atmoshperes greater than 1 please skool me on what you think about my bs I am rolling off here.
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Old 2003-09-04, 15:25
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Default Re: 1-Atm/57% HI bAllOOn StYle

In theory, the reaction should go faster as the pressure increases. And in either case as a solid product is being formed at the end, the reactions rate will increase to adjust to the pressures.

For both gases and liquids the rate in which the chem. rxn proceeds is proportional both the temperature (10*C raise in temp double's rxn rate) and pressure (higher pressure = greater concentrations, thus a faster rxn)
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Old 2003-09-04, 15:41
tReePHrOg tReePHrOg is offline
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Default Re: 1-Atm/57% HI bAllOOn StYle

uh huh right,

due the pressure in the vessel molecule spacing of actual gas molecules-ions whatever is reduced(the spacing)

so what am I overlooking?

ephedrine to methamphet., then what?

methamphetamine to what next using HI ?

Does meth further reduce to 4-methminorex or what. What is a 36 hour flux doing thats better than say 10 hours?

and for the intermediate iodo-meth iodo ephed, cook it once for an hour then cool, then cook it twice for another coupl of hours.

Does methamphetamine reduce to something further with HI acid?
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Old 2003-09-04, 16:22
tReePHrOg tReePHrOg is offline
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Default Re: 1-Atm/57% HI bAllOOn StYle

HI+ -OH = H20 and I- correct?

I anion/cation being by my best guess negative making it a cation. (I think)

PI3(+/-) and I- = P and I2

I know somebody got to have a suggestion of

what is yanking the hydroxyl group from the ephed molecule.
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Old 2003-09-05, 05:39
tReePHrOg tReePHrOg is offline
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Default Re: 1-Atm/57% HI bAllOOn StYle

Im taking a guess that, iodo-ephedrine is born when an iodide (anion/cation?) latches on to the hydroxyl group of ephedrine,

this or when iodine(I2) latches on to the hydroxyl group of Ephedrine.

please correct me if I am wrong.
 
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