Ok swim knows alot of the basics swim also knows that when swim does something he does it big that means no screw ups....so on that note most of the methods and amounts ive seen on here won't work for me...swim went and bought 18oz of 5% iodine from his pharmacy 1st off 5% is better than 2 and will yield more potent crystals right?..next swim needs matchs and swim has seen many boxes of packs but not sure if they got rp on the striking pad the pads are brown and the brand is diamond matches will they work and if soo how many packs of matches would swim need to use all 18oz of iodine. next problem swim knows you need h202 peroxide but swim isn't sure how to measure it to how much iodine you got and would it change for 5% swim is thinking your would use 3 bottles a pint soo prolly 6 bottles would work is swim right?....next after u mix the iodine crystals with the rp..u let it sit till it gets clear correct?...then you drop in your rest of your rp swim isn't sure how much you keep out to drop in with psuedo..then you drop in a tsp of lye? and 50ml of hcl correct cause you would use 25ml for 1 pint of iodine soo if swim is using 2 then he would double right?....then u let it roll for awhile about 1 hour...then you filter and gas off using hydrochloric/foil seeing how swim has 2 big ass gals of it and nothing to do with all this shit....swim could use the hcl gasisn method correct?...please someone if i am wrong tell me how and if not let me know...anything critisim on this method would be appreciated and is does the same go for anhydrous meth like on how many pills one would use...for example could i drop 750 pills in the 30z peroide way with the pint of tictnure and the 1000 match books?????tell me an easier way if it would be better to use less of each chemical........swim appreciates all the help thanks =)

i can tell you this much if it helps? 18oz iod. when dryed yields 18-19 grams of iod.crystals next- to this amount of iod. you would need 12grams r/p(strickers)road flare strickers work also.as for how many match boxes about 750 (seven hundred fifty)or 40 flares

It would take entirely too long for me to tell you everywhere that there is a mistake in your theory, Sutt.

But I will start here:

The potency of finished and dried I2 crystals has nothing to do with the percentage of iodine in the tincture. They will all be equally potent if cleaned equally, it will be the weight of I2 that will be different.

Second, the RP/I reduction of pseudo/ephedrine to methamphetamine is nothing like You and Lord's 2 liter Bomb Method. The RP/I actually works.

There is no such thing as "rolling" the product in the reaction. Quit trying to teach, you need to learn.

Third, and this will be all I have to say, if you mix NaOH(lye) and HCl, the hydrogen and oxygen molecules will bond, as will the sodium and chlorine molecules. Leaving one with NaCl and H2O. Salt and Water.

Do NOT try and compare this RP/I synth with your method. Even the Birch can NOT be compared with the RP/I, yet they both can produce methamphetamine.

Sorry to be so harsh, but I've put up with your cocky littly mouth for WAY too long. Take a word of advice from someone bigger than you in this game, shut your mouth and open your ears!

Lukky D

Sutt, if Lukky D. offers his time, take it!

He has helped me when nobody else answered my questions. His patience is unbelievable

and his knowledge of rp/i is as good as it gets. Peace and good luck!

as SWIM was reading thru your post his mind was calculating the answers as he read. then he scrolled down a bit and lukkys responses were almost out of his own head. listen to what he says his info is dead on the money. and no it dont matter what matches you use they ALL have RP on the strike pads but some have more clay and glass fillers than others some are harder to extract then others requireing more tone soakings than others. some will yield more RP than others. SWIM has found winston and camel matches to be the best yielders with the least fillers. road flares work but you can get a case of matches (1000) books for 18 or 19 bucks which will yield 7 to 10 grams of RP. try getting 40 or 50 road flares for that price. its not gonna happen. its true you can get RP from flares but the cost is outrageous so steer away from them when you are told they are the way. also the amount of peroxide has been modified by geez to increase yields of I2 crystals go here and read the post i wrote up on the new method and amounts i spelled it out in clear laymens terms at this thread: http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum26/HTML/002238.html

personaly if i had 18 ounces of 5% tinc i would use 12 ounces of peroxide (3/4 of a pint)and let it set 12 hours read the thread at the above addy it should clear things up for you. also remember the formula stays relativley unchanged wether you are making 1 gram or 1000

here is the formula that SWIM gos by:

1.2 grams of I2

1gram of RP if recovered from match strikers

0.7 grams if lab grade

0.5 milliliter of DH2O if cook is to be less than 6 hours

0.7 milliliter if cook is gonna be up to about 18 to 24 hours and 1.0 milliliter if cook is gonna be over 24 hours to around 36 hours.

remember the cooking times vs. the DH2O amounts are reletivley speaking and SWIM kinda gos by feel for each cook and how long he plans on letting it stew. a general rule of thumb is the shorter the cook time the more heat and less DH2O is used the longer the cook time slightly less heat and more DH2O is used. if you had your exact measurment of ingrediants ready to go into flask SWIM could tell you how long your cook should be, the amounts of DH2O to use and the temp to cook it at. always remember that in SWIM`s opinion a longer cooler cook produces cleaner less sketchy dope. when it comes to cooking with this method dont approach it with the attitude that you need the shit yesterday. with the I2/RP method patience is indeed a virtue. the more patience the better the end result.

[This message has been edited by Wicked_Rain (edited 08-30-2003).]

It seems so funny, that you come around here talking your shit, do not give proper respect to those who TRULY deserve it, and then ask for help. And then receive it. I hope this turns a leaf over for you. I learn so much theory from some of these people, that I am thinking about going back to school with a new major. So to all of the people who respond to my questions, thank you. And to you dear sir, I bid you luck and I hope you are more careful in the world then you are here.

also when buying tincture from a pharmacy (pharmacy tinc is for human use) be sure to read the ingrediants SWIM has been noticing that povidone is now being added to some human grade tincs. the 7% vetrinary use grade has so far not had any govt added goodies to fuck up your extraction of the I2 crystals. the label should read water,alcohol,iodine at least that is what the label says on the 7% tinc which is all SWIM has ever used and makes beautiful crystals in the 40 to 50 gram range per pint. tryp has advised us here that iodine with pov. in it will be impossible to extract. i will take his word for it

[This message has been edited by Wicked_Rain (edited 08-30-2003).]

iodine tinctures with povidone can be extracted with a coldfinger, but seems tediuos, Rhodium.ws has a coldfinger extraction procedure for iodine with povidone.

quote:Originally posted by tReePHrOg:

iodine tinctures with povidone can be extracted with a coldfinger, but seems tediuos, Rhodium.ws has a coldfinger extraction procedure for iodine with povidone.

thats good to know cuz SWIM is sure the day is comming soon where all of it will have that and worse in it

i appreciate all the advice and swim has stated that he does not know rp/i and knows it is totally different than annie...swim has also stated that he has made dope many times many different ways..swim has produced real meth and in his opinon swim has also produced meth the 2liter way jus not as potent and fully reacted..swim no longer lives in the place where swim could easliy get the stuff for annie soo swim has turned a new leaf...swim has a few more questions and remember swim might have his therory wrong on rp/i but its not his theory its swirls if you get my drift meaning that i read it somewhere...soo i do appreciate everyone here that is takin there time to try and help swim =)....would swim be better off using less iodine the 1st time and then using the rest for other cooks??? and if swim decided to use 1 pint of iodine and btw wicked it has no providone are watever its good iodine and 5%...from what i read i get that you need 3 bottles of h202 and 1 pint of iodine and slowly drop in hcl to make the gas is that correct...im willling to listen step by step if someone would just help me in lamens terms of course...swim is off to read before trying anything because swim is a perfectionist and swim hates screwups that are totally unexpected thanks again everyone that has said something trying to help and for the others that just talk shit i say fuck you!!!!

wicked that post helped swim alot he appreaciates it...but that just shows how to clean the pills,rp and make iodine crystals not how to combine them all and next question you can gas it after its all done and filtered true??? either by hcl/foil or sulfuric/iodized salt like annie dope...Swim would like to see a post by you wicked showing how to acutally cook it just like your post on how to clean and form the crystals...maybe swim is asking for alot and prolly won't get it but swim has searched and read but swim knows alot of people say alot of shit that don't help and could screw someone up in the end not makin stuff clear enuff could be dangerous and reside in swims mind for along time....swim likes the way you put stuff wicked and it seems you come out with good yields and have a good method going soo if you could post the cook thanx and if not swim understands and will just stay lost till he finds a post like yours bascially takin the guess and potetional screwup work out of it =)

hey sutt, Im in the same boat your in bro!

one thing i wanted to know was when peroxide is mentioned, is the home version which is watered down? or pure hydrogen peroxide?

btw - sutt do you have msn messenger?

neverbe i have aim messanger and i have yahoo and sometimes go onto irc network =)

<splturwig187>for aim and<pimpzdahoez>for yahoo and irc is just optional i change it from time to time..and no i want help you with the 2liter method..=)

lol, ah well, i only have msn right now.

what rp/I method do you plan on using? post it up if you have it

where's a good place to buy a hot plate you think?

quote:Originally posted by suttleila:

wicked that post helped swim alot he appreaciates it...but that just shows how to clean the pills,rp and make iodine crystals not how to combine them all and next question you can gas it after its all done and filtered true??? either by hcl/foil or sulfuric/iodized salt like annie dope...Swim would like to see a post by you wicked showing how to acutally cook it just like your post on how to clean and form the crystals...maybe swim is asking for alot and prolly won't get it but swim has searched and read but swim knows alot of people say alot of shit that don't help and could screw someone up in the end not makin stuff clear enuff could be dangerous and reside in swims mind for along time....swim likes the way you put stuff wicked and it seems you come out with good yields and have a good method going soo if you could post the cook thanx and if not swim understands and will just stay lost till he finds a post like yours bascially takin the guess and potetional screwup work out of it =)



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ok sutt lets see if we are on the same page here. SWIM is working on a manual of sorts as we speak. however it is a few days from becomming a reality as SWIM types slower than hell not to mention he is translating the gibberish from tweekanese into plain laymens terms from text by a master of the game, the same master that taught SWIM so long ago. if i understand what you are saying then here is the one answer as far as gassing and filtering gos. after the rxn is complete and cooled and the balloon removed the rxn solution is wahed out of the flask with a couple shot glasses of DH2O is then filtered thru oh say 20 or 30 coffee filters into a mason jar the resulting liquid will be golden in color hence the name "honey" save the RP in the filters cuz it can be cleaned and used again. you then take your honey and pour in colemans fuel untill about 3 inchs from the top of quart mason jar. if youare starting with an amount of honey in mason jar greater than 4 inchs full then split it between two jars or get a half gallon tall pickle jar not the short fat squat jars. different brands of pickles use different jars. shop till you find the brand that is half gallon in size but only as big around as a 1 lb coffee can and tall. you with SWIM? pour your RD lye in. (SWIM cant tell you exact amounts as he has never measured he does it all by feel and sight and it depends on how much honey you have and what return you are expecting as per the amount of original 3 ingrediants) i will use for example only starting with 10 grams of E for a 24 hour cook. 10 grams of E. 12 grams of I2. 10 grams of RP if recovered from matchbook strikers 7 grams if labgrade RP is used. 5 ML of DH2O. combine the E and RP together. they should be as finley powedered as possible, pour in flask pour in iodine next. add DH2O last. have it measured out 1st you wont have time for measuring once you dump the I2 in. SWIM measures his DH2O into a shot glass and then when the other 3 are in flask as described aboved he dumps in his pre-measured DH2O. for your 1st time you might consider putting your flask in the freezer first for 30 min. that will slow the rxn down giving you time to get your stopper with the tubing and balloon already attached onto your flask and taped down. when the reaction takes off it will produce a greenish/whitish/yellowish smoke that will swirl like a small tornado in the flask. it will produce an exothermic reaction. if it gets to hot and/or the smoke turns purple you are to hot quench the reaction by swirling (ALWAYS swirl NEVER shake)the flask. purple smoke means you have a RP fire in the flask you see no flames cuz theres no oxygen present. however it will burn up your E and thats not good swirling the contents in the flask helps quench the reaction. for your 1st time a stainless steel bowl of ice cubes and water might be kept handy as you can dip the bottom of the flask in the ice water to slow the reaction but wont be needed as long as you gently swirl the flask as the reaction progresses and dont let it get out of control (purple smoke) in the 1st place. fortunatly this only takes about 15 to 20 min to calm down and be ready to put on the heat scource. after the cook is done remove it from heat and let it cool slowley and naturally the balloon will shrink back up all the way when its cool. filter it as i described above before i got sidetracked. ok where we left off above, you should have before you for example a quart mason jar with a bottom layer of two inchs or so honey and a top layer of blue colemans fuel. (there are many other and better things than colemans but SWIM will use that in his example as its easy to get and use.)for the amount described in this example (which we will be expecting 5 grams or so back) pour in 3 tablespoons or so of RD lye. make sure its RD others work but the procedure may differ and the variables change. SWIM is telling you the easiest fool proof way that works and he knows this to be fact. at this point SWIM takes and tears off about a 5 inch wide strip of heavy duty aluminum foil and twists it untill it is a tight TIGHT spiral about 5 or 6 inchs long and twisted tight like a rope.and wraps it tightly around a glass stirring rod (as close to the tip as possible) you can take a coathanger, the hard plastic type not the metal ones, cut off the long center section and part of the curve where it heads up to the hanger part. (you will have a long plastic J if cut as i described) use the J end to wrap the heavy duty foil rope around as it wont just slide off the end like it would if it were straight. ( i can get away with using a straight glass stirring rod without foil sliding off the end cuz i have mastered the way to wrap it) what i describe for you here is easier to make you understand. remember that all this im typing is to make it as easy as possible to understand and implement with success. stick the foil wrapped coathanger stirrer into the jar and stir it around gently in a swirling motion. you will observe a strong exothermic reaction happen and as you stir it white floaties will leave the honey/lye layer and migrate up to the colemans fuel and sink back down again. this is the meth moving from the honey/lye layers into the colemans. (((((many will say that the foil is not needed and blah blah blah and it is not really but remember i am giving you the simplest easiest way to good end product that has the least chance of failure. the worst thing you can do is take different peoples methods and techniques and mix and match them as this usually always leads to failure. take ONE technique and follow it to the letter and since im the one typing all this it should be mine. many will respond here saying this is wrong and that is not needed and blah blah blah and in alot of cases they are right but like i said im leading you from point a to point b in as straight a line as possible for good results and good ass kickin product. after you become experienced a bit then by all means tweak it to suit your own ways and then heed what all the others say and take it all in to come up with your own technique. like i said no one else stepped up to the plate with a step by step so they should keep there critique and flames to a minimum and you should pay no attention to them when they do come. stay on the path as i have outlined and you WILL have success and it will be fireeee as you like to call it lol.)))) anyways as you are stirring the shit with your tinfoil wrapped stirrer make it a habit to keep touching the side of the jar at the bottom with the back of your hand as if left unchecked it will get so hot you cant touch it and in rare cases the jar will crack if left to get to hot. working with your jar in a 9x13 pyrex baking pan is a plus here when you are doing your 1st few in case you do have a failure of the jar. at this stage you pull out the coathanger the foil will be hot caustic and sizzling on the end of the hanger when you pull it out grab it with something and remove it from the hanger rod and throw it in a can of water that you have setting there beforehand. now you will notice the floaties have for the most part settled to the bottom with a few strays still on top of the colemans. stir it gentley with the now bare coathanger rod some more will fall back to the lye layer but prolly not all, no worries it simply needs to cool a bit. go have a smoke jack off or whatever you do to kill time at this point and let it cool when it is cooled enough the floaties will be gone back to the bottom and a single stir will send those that arent back to the bottom if any (even one) floats back up it needs to cool a bit more. when cool enough there will be NO floaties on top the colemans and even if stirred up from the bottom they will return to the bottom right away.now take a piece of aquarium tubing (clean tubing dont use the one you siphoned E/alcohol or tone thru)siphon off the colemans into a clean quart jar being very carefull not to suck up any of the lye layer. DO NOT filter this as the meth is oily and will simply clog a filter and you wont get it out of the filter short of drying it and then dropping the filter in a cup of coffee. SWIM thinks well knows its best to only siphon to within an inch of the lye layer so as not to suck up any unwanted lye layer. most new cooks try and siphon as close as possible to the lye layer but its not needed or desired at this point. now you should have a jar of crystal clear pretty blue colemans before you that when held up to the light will have a shimmer running thru it kinda like the blacktop looks like on the horizon on a hot summer day. thats your dope suspended in the colemans. this is what you gass. when you use colemans it is important that after gassing you pump fresh air thru the colemans with an aquarium pump and short length of tubing or your product will taste like shit. when using toulene its not needed. i assume you already know how to gass so all i can say is that when you stick the tube with the gass commin out of iti nto the crystal clear/blue colemans it WILL snow like crazy instantly and the fluid will take on a cloudy appearance. SWIM bubbles the gass for 20 to 30 seconds. too long and the product will taste gassy and will not harden up when dry but remain cheesy and stuck in the jar and clog the filter instantly. take the jar of gassed and air purged colemans and look at it. it will be semi cloudy with a bottom layer that looks like wet soggy toilet paper/powder pour the entire contents thru a single coffee filter in a funnel thats draining into a clean jar. when it quits dripping colemans remove the filter and let it dry. VOILA dry white powder that is kick ass dope and ready to go. the jar you just emptied into the filter, set it aside and let it dry upside down. when dry you will be pleasently suprised to see a white powder layer stuck to the insides of the jar. 5 or 6 of these jars can produce over a half gram sometimes a gram. SWIM puts em away to dry all alone and has them to fall back on when the shits all gone. kinda like your own secret stash no one knows about lol SWIM then uses a toothbrush (new one used only for this purpose) to clean out the jars, SWIM has tried every method of scraping the shit from inside the jars but has found the toothbrush to work best as it gets it ALL. and on the plus side it is the consistancy of flour and ready to dump out and snort with no chopping needed. good road dope or for the times when you want a line and cant just break out a mirror and blade and shit. at work, driving, concerts etc. SWIM usually just takes his straw and sticks right in the baggie or vial and snorts the jar scraping stuff like that lol

man fuck SWIM hopes this is what you wanted cuz hes tired of typing. the tip of his typing finger (yeah thats right one finger) is numb lol. this is the simplest best way for the novice I2/RP cook to come back with decent yields and good shit. those that wish to flame can stick it in there ass. if ya wanna flame then step up to the plate with your step by step. constructive criticism is of course welcome lol. when and if you get this process down sutt then i will start to tell you the tweeks and benifets of other solvents and techniques to perfect your end product but i promise you that this will make better than just about anything you can find for sale on the street and its not cut either.

[This message has been edited by Wicked_Rain (edited 08-30-2003).]

quote:Originally posted by New Be Spun:

hey sutt, Im in the same boat your in bro!

one thing i wanted to know was when peroxide is mentioned, is the home version which is watered down? or pure hydrogen peroxide?

btw - sutt do you have msn messenger?



the peroxide you get at the local drug store or pharmacy dept of larger stores is what you want newbe

Nice to see that you've taken a different approach there sutt. I'm sure you'll get more out of your posts with this sort of attitude. And uhmm to the noob, sutt is learning...as we all are. But you'll probably be better off doing some research here first.

*taking a massive hit* ..ooo000OOOOOO

*fanning smoke*

Use your search button thingy at the top of this screen. You'll find that many of the answers to your questions have been recently answered here on totse. But search in the Lab tips only...or you'll be waiting for a while.

[This message has been edited by LwaysTired (edited 08-30-2003).]

damn wtf dude i thank you for the extremly long synthesis but i have always been told that rp/i is easier than annie i guess that was a straight fucking lie...cause all you need with annie is anhydrous then pour some ether then some strips then some lye and let it roll then gas haha see it didn't take a whole page to tell you how lol....man that sounds complicated as fuk bro i mean you said alot of that shit isn't needed man i don't got no fuckin baloon wtf i don't won't to use one either man its not as simple as droping in some chemicals stirring it then gassin??? i mean shit all other drugs are that simple your way is as ghetto as it fucking gets and sounds more in detail than any real chemistry post that i have ever read dude...seriously bro could you explain it in less detail like take the e/rp/i and drop it in then i mean shit however you do it.......all this it turns purple and you got flames that sounds extremly fucking dangerous im not trying to blow up here bro im trying to be a sucess should i stick with fuckin annie??? haha 4real...dude try to explain it in less words i mean ill read what you posted till im fucking bored as fuck then ill keep reading it cause i see its in detail with lil or no fault on outcome .....you never explaine how much pills and shit to use..and 5 grams wtf i want at least 30 if i fuck with it..swim can make a oz of annie dope for 75 dollars and slang it for 2grand i mean soo could you tell me how rp/i is eaiser and better =) thanx man for the post like i said i jus need something less complicated remember here swim has made dope before many ways swim could do it with less chemicals and swim hates coleman fuel its more dangerous swim prefers ether or naptha...dude if you could plz explain in less detail and let me know what the fucks could be

wicked im confused you said add lye in with dh20 i was told on here that would produce salt/water man im not trying to screw up is that correct...and why did u mention gassin before you mentioned how you start the rxn your confusing the shit out of swim can't you explain it easier without all the use this size jar crap...dude swim knows how to measure lye and what kinda jar to use swim even knows the lbs of pressure with a manometer that will bust the glass rxn..dude your telling me this like im a fool im not i mean i appreaciate all the detail if i was a newbie i would rather you say sommething like drop this in then this then this pull this....then drop this then gas this man i mean im not trying to sound like an asshole you jus twisted stuff a lil and i have a real hardtime understanding stuff by reading it i learned annie by watching and i know that ain't fixing to happen but still i learn best by watching then after the 1st time im a master =) plzzzzzzz either explain it better or jus message me on aim or get on irc and we can talk see that would work better......=)

ight swim posted it in notepad soo its easier to read. Sounds rather simple but swim don't won't to use the ballon and swim wants to use a 3liter bottle instead and swim don't understand why you never used hcl in the mix cause swim was to understand that makes hydrodic gas hmm....swim also wants to post the way he wants to do this reaction just tell me if this will work...1st clean the rp real good,,,then clean pills then make iodine crystals...then mix the rp/i and a lil dh20 then add lye..also drop in your E before the lye and the dh20 goes last anyways.then it starts swirling like a tornado then swirl the mixture around a lil never shake... so next u filter it and now you got honey and then you put it in another jar and pour in ether right? swim can use it instead right?...then take heavy foil twist it and use a plastic hanger to wrap the foil around it then stick it in the jar and the meth should come up to the ether and then the lye should drop back down?....then swim siphon all the coleman then gas it with either hcl/foil or sulfuric acid/iodized salt and if swim would rather could swim jus evaporate the ether and be left with meth??? then after swim does all this you recommend swim recrystalizing right??? take the powder drop in some ipo acohol then add a lil acetone and boil lightly then put in freezer and then evaporate fully to get crystals then drop in acetone and wash and filter a couple of times for ending badass dope??? is all that correct basically could swim not use the ballon and if he has to then he will jus don't won't 2..thanx for all your help again man =)

quote:Originally posted by suttleila:

wicked im confused you said add lye in with dh20 i was told on here that would produce salt/water man im not trying to screw up is that correct...and why did u mention gassin before you mentioned how you start the rxn your confusing the shit out of swim can't you explain it easier without all the use this size jar crap...dude swim knows how to measure lye and what kinda jar to use swim even knows the lbs of pressure with a manometer that will bust the glass rxn..dude your telling me this like im a fool im not i mean i appreaciate all the detail if i was a newbie i would rather you say sommething like drop this in then this then this pull this....then drop this then gas this man i mean im not trying to sound like an asshole you jus twisted stuff a lil and i have a real hardtime understanding stuff by reading it i learned annie by watching and i know that ain't fixing to happen but still i learn best by watching then after the 1st time im a master =) plzzzzzzz either explain it better or jus message me on aim or get on irc and we can talk see that would work better......=)

my way is as ghetto as it gets huh? than im sure you can find a better way. someone im sure will tell you a better way. what did you expect? im just a dumbfuck thats never made shit, i believe your words were. good luck sutt. lol shakin head here, wondering why i even bother.

[This message has been edited by Wicked_Rain (edited 08-30-2003).]

lol damn bro i didn't mean it like that chill i told u that i 100% appreciate you posting that it is ghetto lol but i read it a couple of times and i understand it better now that was my opinion the 1st time i read it i have read it over 5 times since then and i think it sounds good jus read the post before this 1 i said i jus want to try a few things different like the balloon and what i posted before is that basically what your tellin me????? thanx man for takin your time i never said your an idiot and don't understand chemistry all i have ever stated was noone here can talk about my methods because what works for someone might not for others im should swirl would agree right??? man thanxxxx for the synthesis ill keep you up 2 date and smoke a boat 4 ya =)

ok here it is in a nutshell. you cant do the I2/RP method in no 2 liter bottle. you want quick and to the point here gos. 1st i gave you the formula. if you want 30 grams (10 gram start 5 gram return was simply an example as i stated above) take 60 grams of clean psuedo 60 grams of RP 72 grams of I2 crystals mix the E and RP together, mix well dump in flask. dump in I2 crystals, pour in 42 ML of DH2O. put the stopper in the flask. attached to the nipple on the stopper should be an 18 inch piece of clear vinyl tubing on other end of tubing should be a kids punch balloon. it should all be airtight, cook it in an oil bath on a hotplate for 24 hours at 180 degrees F. remove from heat let it cool naturally. then do your post rxn workup. if you think dumping your E/I2/RP in a 2 liter bottle adding lye and water will make dope then you are on dope already and need none. the lye doesnt come in untill the post rxn workup. this method is not subject to "it works for one guy but may not work for another theory" this IS the I2/RP method of reducing ephedrine to methamphetamine. some will say use less DH2O cook shorter and hotter, use more DH2O cook longer and cooler. use a condensor in place of vinyl tubin etc. but the bottom line is that the method and formula i outlined is how a meth cook cooks dope via this method. there are no 2 liter shortcuts, no magic lye in with the 3 reagents and poof you have dope bullshit. this method is how cooks came to be called cooks. with the annie method you dont cook anything you simply dump in youe shit and wait and stir just as you stated many times. people that use that method should be called meth reducers or meth stirrers. and dont take it wrong cuz im not knockin it and someday i will do it. just stating facts is all. anyone care to back me up on this?



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wicked here is my ? next swim has never made rp/i soo he doesn't understand the measurement thing but he is thinking cooking for 24hrs is crazy i mean seriously..and if you cook any glass at 180f for 24hrs it will brake =)....swim don't understand what your doing with the punching ballon and what is another way without it??? your saying take a pickel jar large and glass drop in e/rp/i and dh2o then put a tube like plastic aquarium tubing take a ballon the kids punching kind put it over the tubing put it on top of the round area that the top would go on make sure it is tight then take a hotplate and put oil in it then sit the glass jar in the oil and cook it at 180f for 24hrs...then after all that is done take your honey drop in a jar then pour in ether then put about 2 or 3 tbs of lye then close off top let sit an hr or so then siphon out all the colemans fuel then gas off for dope =) is that basically correct and does it matter if you use less dh20 or a lil 2 much would it matter???.....swim is thinking about starting off with a small amount maybe trying to get back 5grams =)1st then when swim gets the method done swim could do more at a time..

quote:Originally posted by suttleila:

wicked here is my ? next swim has never made rp/i soo he doesn't understand the measurement thing but he is thinking cooking for 24hrs is crazy i mean seriously..and if you cook any glass at 180f for 24hrs it will brake =)....swim don't understand what your doing with the punching ballon and what is another way without it??? your saying take a pickel jar large and glass drop in e/rp/i and dh2o then put a tube like plastic aquarium tubing take a ballon the kids punching kind put it over the tubing put it on top of the round area that the top would go on make sure it is tight then take a hotplate and put oil in it then sit the glass jar in the oil and cook it at 180f for 24hrs...then after all that is done take your honey drop in a jar then pour in ether then put about 2 or 3 tbs of lye then close off top let sit an hr or so then siphon out all the colemans fuel then gas off for dope =) is that basically correct and does it matter if you use less dh20 or a lil 2 much would it matter???.....swim is thinking about starting off with a small amount maybe trying to get back 5grams =)1st then when swim gets the method done swim could do more at a time..



ok sutt, stop thinking of it as a measurement. it is a formula. its all based on how much E (extracted ephedrine) you have.

so say for example you have 10 grams of E you would weigh out 10 grams of RP and 12 grams of I2 crystals, if you have 100 grams of E you would weigh out 100 grams of RP and 120 grams of I2 crystals etc. so if you wanted to a 5 grammer of returned product you would start with 10 grams of E/10 grams of RP/12 grams of I2.

the pickle jar has NOTHING to do with the rxn. it is used for the post rxn fluid NOT the cook. the cook is done in an erlynmeyer flask. they sell them in all sizes. for a 10 gram rxn i would recomend a 250 ml flask with a #6 rubber stopper with the standard 1/2 inch hole thru the center of the stopper. thru the hole in the stopper you insert a glass nipple which SWIM blows hisself out of glass tubing using a propane torch. the 5 inch long 3/8 outside diameter kind that the crackheads use and call a "stem" you can find them in most head shops. if you cant find those then improvise. go to wal thats not a mart and buy a couple aquarium thermometers. carefully break off the rounded top end. (the top end being the end that is on top when you look at it) remove the thermometor from the glass tube along with the paper background with numbers on it and pour out the little lead BB`s that are in the bottom. turn on your propane torch and heat the bottom end. (this end looks kinda like the end of an eye dropper with no hole in it) heat it up with the torch and when it starts getting hot blow in the end that you broke off and a hole will appear in the eye dropper looking end. let it cool completly. when its cool turn it around and apply the heat from the torch 2 inchs up from the end you broke off. turning the tube in the torch flame so it heats evenly all the way around. when it is hot enough (you will be able to tell by sight) blow in the little end untill you have a bulge in the glass. you will have to alternate between heating, turning, blowing, heating, turning, blowing untill the bulge is big enough that it wont go thru the rubber stopper. let cool completley. when cool take the rubber stopper and push the lil end of the glass tube you made and push it thru the stopper from the bottom untill it wont go any farther due to the bulge. the lil eye dropper end will be sticking out of the top of the stopper. this is what your 1/2 inch I.D. tubing hooks to. take an 18 inch to 24 inch long piece of clear vinyl tubing , 1/2 inch I.D. and slide it over the glass nipple sticking out of the stopper untill its flush with the rubber stopper. on the other end take a kids bouncy balloon (yes a punch balloon) and slide it over the tubing. tape it on with electrical tape. both ends MUST be airtight. if not the hydriotic acid the reaction creats will escape and without that no reduction of the ephedrine will take place.

pre weigh your 10 grams of E, 10 grams of RP and 12 grams of I2 and pre measure out 7 ml of DH2O.

mix your E and RP together (both being as finely ground as possible) and dump them into your flask.

next dump in the I2

next dump in the 7 ml of DH2O

quickly put the stopper in the flask and tape it to the flask with electrical tape (so the rxn pressure dont blow it out)

after the initial rxn subsides (15 to 20 min) place the flask into a small pot or skillet that has cooking oil in it that is at 180-190 degrees F and setting on the hotplate. (the oil bath keeps the flask from setting directly on the heat scource)

make sure the tubing with balloon attached stays straight up and down, this is so the gasses that travel up the tubing can condensate and drip back into the flask. the balloon is so the rxn gasses have somewhere to expand yet are not lost. the balloon will expand as the rxn reachs temperature. as far as how long to cook is still one of the biggest arguments in history. SWIM will tell you that from his personal hands on experience that short hot cooks introduce more impurities into the rxn and will not completley reduce the E to meth. you say 24 hrs sounds to long? what do you base this opinion on? personally SWIM likes to cook 36 hours on a slightly lower heat with just a touch more DH2O. and yes if you cook a pickle jar or mason jar at 180 degrees F it will most likley break thats why you cook in an erlynmyer flask. SWIM does not recomend any method without the balloon. the rxn MUST stay contained and airtight. you can get a package of 6 for 1.29 at wal thats not a mart. take my word for it and get some. EVERYTHING can be purchased at wal thats not a mart with exception to the erlynmeyer flask which can be bought at any beer and wine making supply shop. hope this clears things up for you a bit. anyone that can build an NH3 gas tank generator and has the balls to make dope in a 2 liter soda bottle can surley understand and follow these simple instructions.

lol on the balls 2 make dope in a 2liter and the gastanks gernerator newayz i understand why the balloon is needed and understand to cook it for awhile soo that is does 4sure reduce but with the flask i have to get a stem like the crackheads use correct then i gotta get a vinyl tubing and connect it to the balloon and how far do i push the tubing in or does it not matter and after i do all this tape it real tight then i drop in all my ingriendents all pre measured into the flask and after i add my dh20 i put on the rubber stopper then i let it sit str8 up the entire time and it sits in an oil bath on a hotplate at 180f correct after 24 hrs or 36 jus add a lil more dh20 before the start if i wanted a 36hr cook prolly like1.0 instead of 0.5 or 0.7 correct anways after it cooks for 24 hrs or longer turn off the hotplate.....let it cool when the ballon deflates then take off the rubber stopper take all whats left which is the honey and put it in the pickle jar then i put in ether or colemans fuel and put in the lye....let it sit for 1 hr and if im wrong at anytime let me know....then u take the plastic hanger wrap foil around it then stir and let all the meth come up2 the ether or colemans fuel then i take all the ether and gas it off to get d-meth then recrystalize it.....swirl is all that correct and does it matter how long you you let it sit in the pickle jar...cause basically u got reduced ephdrine to meth after it cooks right?...and if sooo why add lye why can't u jus drop in colemans shake the evaporate?? thanks man for taking all your time to help me

quote:Originally posted by suttleila:

lol on the balls 2 make dope in a 2liter and the gastanks gernerator newayz i understand why the balloon is needed and understand to cook it for awhile soo that is does 4sure reduce but with the flask i have to get a stem like the crackheads use correct then i gotta get a vinyl tubing and connect it to the balloon and how far do i push the tubing in or does it not matter and after i do all this tape it real tight then i drop in all my ingriendents all pre measured into the flask and after i add my dh20 i put on the rubber stopper then i let it sit str8 up the entire time and it sits in an oil bath on a hotplate at 180f correct after 24 hrs or 36 jus add a lil more dh20 before the start if i wanted a 36hr cook prolly like1.0 instead of 0.5 or 0.7 correct anways after it cooks for 24 hrs or longer turn off the hotplate.....let it cool when the ballon deflates then take off the rubber stopper take all whats left which is the honey and put it in the pickle jar then i put in ether or colemans fuel and put in the lye....let it sit for 1 hr and if im wrong at anytime let me know....then u take the plastic hanger wrap foil around it then stir and let all the meth come up2 the ether or colemans fuel then i take all the ether and gas it off to get d-meth then recrystalize it.....swirl is all that correct and does it matter how long you you let it sit in the pickle jar...cause basically u got reduced ephdrine to meth after it cooks right?...and if sooo why add lye why can't u jus drop in colemans shake the evaporate?? thanks man for taking all your time to help me

you dont have to let it set one hour after you mix in the colemans. and make sure you filter the rxn solution. after you take stopper off flask pour in maybe 6 or 8 tablespoons DH2O swirl it around making sure to get all the RP mud loose from the bottom of the flask. take 20 or so coffee filters in a stack and wedge them into the top of jar pour in the solution from the flask and let it filter thru. when SWIM was taught sutt he was told to add lye and taught the process as he told you. you must add the lye to bring the dope from the water layer to the colemans layer. you cant just shake and evap as your shit will be an oily goo if anything. you CANNOT pour the meth in freebase form thru a paper filter. SWIM didnt ask his teacher why do i add lye? can i not add lye? he told SWIM as SWIM is telling you. SWIM dint give a fuck about asking questions about what wont work. SWIM only cared about what does work. why worry about all the shit that dont work? when SWIM is tellin you what will work. SWIM didnt ask why not use grasshoppers instead of RP. or why not just skip the lye, mix in a dozen eggs and bake at 350. gee heres a thought why not just skip the whole thing and drink the rxn fluid. you get my drift?. after you gass the colemans the dope will be in salt form in the colemans. you pour that thru ONE coffee filter. when all the colemans has run thru you will have a soggy white mass in the filter. dry it out till NO colemans smell is present and thats your dope. from reading some of your other posts i guess this is where you cut it all to hell with vitablend or some bullshit. all in the name of keeping the meth heads safe from themselves. yea lets spend all this time and effort to make good clean shit then add cut to it. yea thats it, that makes you a responsible meth cook lol sutt you have a lot to learn bud and i dont mean about the cook either. and dont take offense either. one day you will look back and see that old SWIM was dead on the money. you see SWIM has been there done that, got the trophy and the t-shirt

Wicked:

You got a trophy a and a t-shirt???

Damn, all SWIL got was a big cookie and this lousy little certificate!

Lukky D

quote:Originally posted by Wicked_Rain:



thru the hole in the stopper you insert a glass nipple which SWIM blows hisself out .

Hehe....WR... all Swirh can say is that when he tries to blow his own nipples he gets one hell of a crick in his neck! (Gotta laugh at the little things)....

Another thing.... You have the patience of a SAINT... let Swirh tell ya... Damn, buy his books and send him to school, hehe...Good work and lots of respect from my corner of the world SwiWR.... Peace..

whats up redhorse where ya from i see mississippi in there =) im from jackson ms and tell these peps in here that jacktown is where the meth is at =)......what method u use im sure the annie one right?? im trying to figure out where east of ms would be hmm north is tn south is florida umm west is virgina and shit i dunno where is east lol.... and wicked when swim ask why u need to do something its because he likes to understand why he's doing that see thats most cooks problem is they cook and don't have a clue of what they actually are doing alot of swims friends could stir some fireee ass dope but never understood what li was used for or the lye i mean they just knew they had dope and soon would have money. yeah of course swim is in it for the money but also the love of the game and the learning factor swim luvs knowledge and trys to gain as much as possible why do sommething if you have no clue of what your doing...and the cuttin dope thing swim believes he can make alot more moeny with cut dope and if the dope is good enuff u can cut the shit out of it and still make people geek and have an headfuck =).. swim has always kept the pure for himself and close peps around him =)

Holy shit, I bout fell out of my chair laughing after reading the part about baking cookies, then forget the whole damn thing and just drink the rxn. Rain, you deserve a Pulitzer Prize for this post. Your patience

deserves a case of cold beer!!!LOL I got sleepy reading the post, know Rainman's hands

were tired from typing. Excellent post WR!

Believe if one doesn't get the jist of things after that, we'd better try something else. Like drink some beer or bake some cookies or something! still laughin....using

grasshoppers instead of rp, throwin eggs and bake at 350, askin teacher not to throw in lye!!LOL,LOL,LOL

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yeah but wicked,,our trophies are rusty and the tshirts have worn out

If I don;t have sodium thiosulfate to rid my post rxn fluid of iodine can I stuff an end of a metal hangar down into the rxn fluid to

rid the rxn fluid of iodine since iodine oxidizes metals will the iodine become non-reactive after I stuff a metal hangar down into the fluid?

quote:Originally posted by suttleila:

[B]whats up redhorse where ya from i see mississippi in there =) im from jackson ms and tell these peps in here that jacktown is where the meth is at =)......what method u use im sure the annie one right?? im trying to figure out where east of ms would be B]

Hmmmmmm... Sorrry bout the misunderstanding there Sutt... little ommission on the profile... Was supposed to read "Somewhere east of the Miss"... Should be correct now tho... This gives a wide area to choose from... You take your pick...Hell... Swirh could be living on a tugboat rite next to ya...(yeah... right) Anyhow....Ole' Swirh is a strange fellow of sorts and does not like most people that he meets...

But if he can help (looks like WR has it pretty well wrapped up) let him know...But as far as the location of Swirh... he seems content to be here, there, and a bunch of nowhere...Peace



Oh yeah...while at it... He has been known however to show up at people's houses and then leave like the wind after eating all the food (inside joke here) <snicker snicker-----thanx for that and drop a line sometime---the carpet cleaning buddy, hehe>

well ya see sutt SWIM dont give a shit about money as SWIM owns his own buisness and has money. so its not a money thing for him. SWIM dont sell shit. SWIM is in it for the recreational aspect only. SWIM dont care why the ways he were taught work only that it works. When SWIM gets on a plane to fly somewhere SWIM gos to fuckin sleep he dont spend the whole trip trying to figure out exactly why the plane works the way it does he just knows that it works. you and i are like the old the bull and the young bull. the old bull and the young bull are walking across a field and they see a hred of fine ass cow bitchs ahead in the distance. the young bull gets all excited and starts hollerin to the old bull, cmon hurry lets go, lets RUN down there and fuck ONE of them cows. cmon hurry hurry. the old bull looks at the young bull and says, no lets WALK down there and fuck em ALL. as long as SWIMS shit in his filter is the shit that killed elvis he dont care why it works when it quits working then SWIM will devote his energy to find out why it didnt work.

Hey WR... Swirh is puttin' in his app for a stepson position if ya are EVER in need hehe... Swirh doesn't know bout all that 200 below freeze the hair on your face and break it off temps tho.... But he would be willing to try.... Peace all...

This thread has some of the longest posts I have ever seen. Wicked, I didn't have time to read them, but your fingers must be bloody.

frog--

It seems nobody answered your question. Maybe you are joking, but I'll answer it anyway. No, it doesn't work that way. The iodine is in solution and in the form of iodides. Just wait it out. It will settle.

Sutt--

Labglass doesn't break when heated for long periods of time. You can boil a good flask till the cows come home,no problem. The rp/i is the most artistic and customizable of any technique. If you are looking to just make dope, find another way. There are many subtle variants within the process that each individual incorporates according to their liking or natural tendency toward. It takes much time and many experiences to develop the craft. Swigotta just got through fucking up a fifty two grammer by "experimenting" with stoichiometric amounts of water, big mistake. Never fear, the rp/i will forgive. It took 68 hours, a lot more iodine, and much attention to temp, but it finished most excellently. Hard to fuck up the rp/i.

Oh, and newbees, I learned a lot from lukky. Sometimes still do. He's a smart kid. (Well......I'm old.)

swim has a serious ? could he jus use the lava lamp instead of the flask and let it cook with the punchballon on it for a couple of days???? swim figured it would work if done long enuff for the reducing process to kick in swim says wtf even if yall don't think it will work swim plans to try it and of course as always swim will keep u up 2 date....swim has always wanted to know the rp/i method swim already knows the hypo and annie sooo swim is on his way to being a gyro swim wished lol =)..thanks for helping wicked sorry we got off to a bad start =)*swim passes the foil to swirl as an appoligy not with 2liter dope but rp/i yumm yumm

SWIM is a lava lamp freak and he has many of them. from SWIM`s experiences and after much thought SWIM is sure the lava lamp method will work and also plans on sacrificing one soon for the cause. the lava lamp glass will make an excellent flask perehaps even better than an erlynmeyer as the shape is perfect... long sloping walls all the way to the neck. SWIM is currently in the design phase of a secure way to attach the balloon/tubing to the small opening of the lava lamp glass. SWIM will post the way when he gets it done. rest assured SWIM WILL come up with a secure connection technique anyone can reproduce out of handy easy to get shit. SWIM has been talking to others and SWIM is thinking that he may reconfigure the lava lamp base to accept the standard light bulb base instead of the small threaded base that they come with. reason for this is SWIM is thinking of using a 60 watt black light party bulb. that bulb SWIM has been told will heat to around 220 degrees F. SWIM will incorporate a rheostat dimmer inline on the power cord so he can regulate the power the bulb gets to bring the temp down to 180-190 F. SWIM will use the black light bulb to lessen the amount of photo energy the rxn is exposed to. photo energy can cause free radicals to form in the iodine in SWIMS opinion. the black light bulb will lessen the amount of free radicals greatly in SWIM`s opinion. that combined with the constant non fluctuating temperature of the lava lamp base will increase the quality of the end product in SWIM`s opinion. hot plates maintain the temp by cutting on and off via a thermostatic control. SWIM always has been bugged by that cuz the temp fluctuates with the on/off action of the hotplate. SWIM refuses to buy a heating mantle jus cuz SWIM`s natural instinct is to build everything he can get away with. in my profesion as a machinist/mechanic/fabricator it just comes naturally. SWIM will build this apperatus and SWIM is sure it will be the batman cooker setup. SWIM will keep progress posted posted. another tidbit of info here: a 500 ml erlynmyer flask will fit a full size lava lamp base perfectly. but SWIM wants to use the lava lamp glass to cuz like he said above it has the perfect shape in SWIM`s opinion and will handle the heat and pressure like a champ. thanks to beebo over at chemhead for the black light bulb/free radical theory. he stimulated SWIM`s one brain cell and put him on the path to research and SWIM thinks its a sound theory. thanks beebo

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