nice to be on such an interesting board! ok, yes I am new to chemistry, but I have been doing a good amount of reading. I wanted to make a small amount of honey, so I have questions for this method.

(1)- it says to add 4 drops of peroxide to R/E/I in test tube. does it mean household hydrogen peroxide? and by 4 drops, should I take that for 4 drops of an eye dropper (which doesnt seem like enough)

(2) - the candle under the can, I am assuming the flame was intended to touch the bottom of the other can?

(3) In canada where would I get dh2o? Ive done searches but to no prevail on how to get it.

(4) a step includes adding 8grams of lye, which i found odd that it didnt give amount in ml's instead. should I just messure 8g of lye out??

(5)"Your lye will be locked on the bottom which is fine. Pour off lighter fluid into a clean test tube. Add 20mL dh2o, 4 drops of acid and shake hard. Use an eye dropper to get the bottom layer, attaching aquarium vacuum tubing to extend the length if needed." -- is he saying to remove the lye with extended eye dropper before or after adding dh20 and 4 "drops" of M acid??

Thank you anyone who takes there time to help me, and anyone with any other methods to make a small batch honey PLEASE post them



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Materials

test tubes (glass cigar tube works good)

3in. balloon ( standard kids size water balloon)

black electrical tape

2 soup cans (one filled with damp sand)

candle (buy the kind that sit in glass bowl)

pseudoephedrine / iodine / red phosphorus

small amount of peroxide (common household)

distilled water

Using 2 soup cans, one on top of the other, makes a perfect source of heat to the moist sand. Construction is very simple: the lower can has holes drilled throughout it for air supply for flame. Now with candle lit in 1st can place 2nd can with sand right on top. The sand will warm instantly and your ready to go.

You will be using

1-1.5gm E

3gm I

2gm RP

Place your test tube in freezer 5 minutes before adding chemicals. In the following order add: I, E, RP. Have your tape and balloon ready to go. With a dropper add 4 drops of peroxide and place balloon over test tube approx. 1cm. Tape balloon in place. Using your finger to prevent anything from entering the balloon, shake the 3 reactants to mix well. The reaction will start, now place tube into sand 2.5-3 inches and set timer for one hour. Exercise your observational skills; take notes on what you see. After a handful of runs at this soon you won't need to set a timer because you will have schooled yourself and have your own tools (sign's) that completion of the rxn is there. But for now go with 1 hour, no more no less. Blow your candle out and let tube cool in sand for 15 min. Take your now room temp. test tube and cut balloon off. Add 20ml dh2o. With thumb over the hole, shake up and filter out the red (its good to have a few test tubes clean and handy) by pouring liquid into another test tube using small funnel and 1 coffee filter (saturate filter with dh2o prior to using.) Now your left with a clear, yellowish liquid.

Crystallization

Materials

Red Devil lye

charcoal lighter fluid

muriatic acid

dh2o

Add 8gm of lye to a clean test tube. Now add 20mL of dh2o and mix well (use gloves if you shake tube using your finger as a stopper!) then place in sand to cool.

Add 50mL lighter fluid to the tube with your yellow liquid. When cool add the lye solution SLOWLY to the tube with the yellow liquid and lighter fluid. Don't pour it in all at once, add splashes until gone. Cover the hole and give it one good shake, release the pressure and place in sand for approx. 15 minutes. Your lye will be locked on the bottom which is fine. Pour off lighter fluid into a clean test tube. Add 20mL dh2o, 4 drops of acid and shake hard. Use an eye dropper to get the bottom layer, attaching aquarium vacuum tubing to extend the length if needed. Pour this onto your glass dish and evaporate. What remains after dh2o evaporates is pure meth. Scrape crystals with razor and enjoy! That's all folks!

My advice to you is if you don't know how to make Meth PERFECTLY, down to the last detail, don't even try. You must be an ace in chemistry and I'd recommend getting a degree before attempting your 'experiment'.

Also, are you going to trust using your own shit?

In my POV it sounds like a waste of time and resources, but if you must, I'll look into it and actually read the post this time.

hmm, thats kind of a let down...

1. probably 4 eye drops of h2o2 which is the same stuff at grocery storess if not 4 eye drops then 4 mL(might be the same thing)

2. id go with 1 inch to half an inch under the can

3. dh2o is distilled water get it at a grocery store

4. lye is a crystalline solid not liquid

5. for some reason i thought that the np solvent contained the meth and that you mixed it with hcl acid to get the meth freebase to turn into a salt in fact im almost sure thats what its asking to do although id prefer if someone else backed up what i said



making meth is relatively easy in the grand scheme of things

by the by if you dont have pure ephedrine or psuedoephedrine youre fucked and the reaction wont work itll turn into a big glob of a mess

one last thing this is in the wrong forum

[This message has been edited by D.N.S (edited 08-28-2003).]

I almost garauntee that run will not produce anyting worth your time. Ask around in Lab Tips, not here.

if your using drano crystals that come in a can like rD lye you must mix some 8 grams with water, let dissolve then pour through a filter to filter off green shit and alum pieces, then you will have perfect lye water with no floaties,. yay!

well, what I'd really like is a method to get around 5-7 grams of M but will all the different methods conflicting a bit or even a couple hollow details makes it hard.

does anyone have the RP/I/E method that they used word for word themseleves?

formula gos as such:

1 gram of E

1.2 grams of I2

1gram of RP if recovered from match strikers

0.7 grams if lab grade

0.5 milliliter of DH2O if cook is to be less than 6 hours

0.7 milliliter if cook is gonna be up to about 18 to 24 hours and 1.0 milliliter if cook is gonna be over 24 hours to around 36 hours

DO NOT use peroxide in your rxn (reaction)

DH2O is simply distilled water and can be found at any supermarket or large dept store such as wal thats not a mart safe that isnt the way etc. (its 67 cents a gallon where SWIM gets it) get my drift?

lye amount is given in grams and not milliliter cuz its in granular form not liquid.

forget that candle under the can bullshit and get a hotplate, flask etc. and do it in an oil bath which means put a pan on the hot plate pour in enough cooking oil to come up to about 2 or 3 inchs on the flask.

read and search farther you will be enlightened. that synth you posted is in SWIM`s opinion old, outdated, retarded, but thats just his opinion what does he know.



[This message has been edited by Wicked_Rain (edited 08-28-2003).]

quote:Originally posted by tReePHrOg:

if your using drano crystals that come in a can like rD lye you must mix some 8 grams with water, let dissolve then pour through a filter to filter off green shit and alum pieces, then you will have perfect lye water with no floaties,. yay!

RD lye does not have green shit or aluminum pieces in it. SWIM is setting here with a bottle of it IN HIS HAND, top off, looking at it, small white crystals, NOTHING else.

oh look here it says 100% lye on the label. you do know what 100% means yes?

thanks for replys,

if that technique is out of date I'd be very greatful if someone posted an indepth step by step proceadure

check out www.rhodium.ws/ (http://www.rhodium.ws/) then into the chemistry section and youll find enough recipes to knumb the brain

I see proceadures for big batches mostly, and if there not somewhat unorganized then small details are left out i find.

anyway, lets say I new exactly what i was doing for a second, how does anyone get that much RP and/or I2? i couldnt get enough to make an oz of honey because of time and money. there must be other ways?

I dont mind if i have to use ID to purchase them if i have too.

thanks, and tell me where the guys making big batches get there RP and I!

quote:Originally posted by New Be Spun:

I see proceadures for big batches mostly, and if there not somewhat unorganized then small details are left out i find.

anyway, lets say I new exactly what i was doing for a second, how does anyone get that much RP and/or I2? i couldnt get enough to make an oz of honey because of time and money. there must be other ways?

I dont mind if i have to use ID to purchase them if i have too.

thanks, and tell me where the guys making big batches get there RP and I!

those that dont have access to lab grade do it the old fashioned way. most get there RP from matchbook strike pads, 7 to 10 grams per case of 1000 books.

make your own I2 crystals, 40 to 50 grams per pint of 7% tincture. i wrote up all the methods for doing this. you will find it here:

http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum26/HTML/002238.html

also read my above post again (8th from top) that is the basic formula wether your making 1 gram or 1000

wicked, your cool man. swiwr always cuts the bullshit and tries to HELP the ? asker. sometimes one regrets helping some dumbass at a later time but as least maybe ones help keeps someone from hurting themself or someone else.

Swirl is attempting to learn the rp/I/E method after 25 years of birching and swirl enjoyed thread with all 3 ways in it. very to the point and helpful. have been doing reaserch now for bout 4-5 mo and have done 2 nanos in a salt shaker w/ tube and ballon at end of that. but 3.2g(biggest return on 2) is not enough to last 2 people more than 2 days. LOL

Now all swirl needs is a good reaction vessel that could be easely put together here on the farm. been reading the lava lamp thread, maybe. as soon as type(long vs short)(short is winning). with swirl recent becomeing disabled from reum. arth. and then being hit by drunk driver and being in hospital long times do not appeal to swirl.

so there wicked, a little ass kissing for ya today now put this in memory so if swirl ever needs a fav.

LATER !!!! !!!!!!

thanks for the replys!

what type of matchbooks are used? or does it matter?

and, when I do the E extraction from sudefed does it matter if it contains tylenol? Im assuming the method will work whether tylenol is in the caps or not?

quote:Originally posted by 46method:

wicked, your cool man. swiwr always cuts the bullshit and tries to HELP the ? asker. sometimes one regrets helping some dumbass at a later time but as least maybe ones help keeps someone from hurting themself or someone else.

Swirl is attempting to learn the rp/I/E method after 25 years of birching and swirl enjoyed thread with all 3 ways in it. very to the point and helpful. have been doing reaserch now for bout 4-5 mo and have done 2 nanos in a salt shaker w/ tube and ballon at end of that. but 3.2g(biggest return on 2) is not enough to last 2 people more than 2 days. LOL

Now all swirl needs is a good reaction vessel that could be easely put together here on the farm. been reading the lava lamp thread, maybe. as soon as type(long vs short)(short is winning). with swirl recent becomeing disabled from reum. arth. and then being hit by drunk driver and being in hospital long times do not appeal to swirl.

so there wicked, a little ass kissing for ya today now put this in memory so if swirl ever needs a fav.

LATER !!!! !!!!!!

lol no need for ass kissin 46 SWIM is glad to try and help fellow dreamers. i am not sure about where you live but here SWIM can buy 500 and 1000 ML erlynmeyer flasks at his local beer and wine making supply shop complete with every stopper size imaginable. they also sell a kit for beer and wine making that will have the flask and stopper in it plus a variety of cool little fittings and the like that you will find handy. theres a few things in the kit that are useless but buying the kit that way is discrete and people think your just gonna try and make some booze for a hobby. if ever asked about it later simply say that it tasted like shit and its obviousley not your forte and you thru all that shit out. the kit here runs about 60 dollars. personaly i think the lava lamp method will work great i havnt tried it but i am a lava lamp freak lol i have 7 of them and i know there characteristics and believe it will work like a charm. like neversleepy said in another thread tho be sure and get the good one that has a halogen bulb in it instead of the incandescant bulb. the halogen bulb looks like a mini floodlight bulb with a flat top instead of the normal round bulb. the walmart ones are all cheap incandescant bulb type. another tidbit here, if possible buy the glitter lamp instead of the lava lamp. not so much that it matters but the glitter type are much easier to clean out than the lava type. with the glitter type you simply dump out the juice and the glitter the lava type can sometimes get smeared lava all over the inside when trying to empty the contents. if you cant get that a champaign bottle works ok and it will hold the pressures of a reaction. you can drill out the plastic stopper to accomodate a glass nipple to hook to your tubing. also if you use that save the little wire cage that holds the plastic stopper in as it comes in handy to reuse to hold the stopper in the bottle for your rxn. sorry to hear about your accident and hope you feel better soon. a 30 grammer should lift your spirits significantly lol. if forced to do nanos have all the reagents ready to go for two or three nanos, when the 1st is done, get high and proceed to cook your second immediatly. no rule that says you cant run 2 or even 3 salt shakers at the same time either. just a couple more salt shakers, a few more feet of tubing and a couple more balloons lol. SWIM can envision a pan with cooking oil in it on a hotplate with a whole herd of salt shakers in it tubing and balloons rising up like a little meth forest. LOL later bud

quote:Originally posted by New Be Spun:

thanks for the replys!

what type of matchbooks are used? or does it matter?

and, when I do the E extraction from sudefed does it matter if it contains tylenol? Im assuming the method will work whether tylenol is in the caps or not?



SWIM gets the most RP back of the matches that say Winston or Camel on them. the cheap off brands yield only a little more than half of the RP from the above mentioned brands. the plus side to the cheap ones is that the RP comes off the strike pads much faster and easier and are usually bare of RP in one tone soaking. stay away from the pills with acitamenephin in them. SWIM has never tried to extract them because SWIM`s teacher has it made it clear that they are next to impossible to extract. SWIM takes his word for it he is a master of the game whereas for SWIM its simply recreational and not for financial gain.

wicked_rain I was wondering if you could post the proceadure you have used for the

RP/I/E because many are different, some reflux for a while some dont, everything varies a bit here and there, so it would be definitely appriciated. and if any else wanted to put the method they themseleves have used feel free to do so



thanks

quote:Originally posted by New Be Spun:

wicked_rain I was wondering if you could post the proceadure you have used for the

RP/I/E because many are different, some reflux for a while some dont, everything varies a bit here and there, so it would be definitely appriciated. and if any else wanted to put the method they themseleves have used feel free to do so

thanks

New Be Spun.... hahahah *trying to be nice* Now, our RainMan has been superb and generous as I've read in this thread. I think that's great!! But I also think that if he posted the exact method, amounts, times, and materials....You would fail. I know that sounds very mean and nasty. But I mean it in a different sort of way. Look at it like this. The more you learn by yourself, (reading, searching..etc.) the better off you are. If I hand my 5 year old the keys to my truck and say drive it, well you get it. You need to understand what, how, and why. Otherwise your gonna end up spending money and wasting time. Then you'll come back here and say Wicked don't know what he's talkin about! (which by the way only one person I've ever heard say that, *whispers* sutt....and after being straightened out, is on the road to a becoming a better person as we speak) So don't be lazy, be patient. And you'll know when you're ready to give it a good effort.

quote:Originally posted by New Be Spun:

wicked_rain I was wondering if you could post the proceadure you have used for the

RP/I/E because many are different, some reflux for a while some dont, everything varies a bit here and there, so it would be definitely appriciated. and if any else wanted to put the method they themseleves have used feel free to do so



thanks

SWIM posted the method in this thread newbe 14 posts from the top: http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum26/HTML/002516.html

wicked, damn near wet pants laughing so hard. At this moment swirl has electric skillet with 4 salt shakers sitting in peanut oil with a 4 hr difference in each one.

Ltired your statement is so true. been reading and trying to learn new syn for bout 6 mo now. in swirls opion one should at least know how to do more than one way.

right know swirl can't drive down to the mother tank of annie and draw off what is needed and sure as hell aint gonna ask for vols to help get or every tank on the farm will be empty in less than 24 hr. but could go and get several boxes of matches. we buy the I in a 4 gal case and prob have 31/2 gal left.

dont want to be hand fed because things given not earned r taken for granted and abused. something that one learns over time is more app and one will be a little better at it.

thanks to dreamers like wicked, gotto, tryp, am, pikk, damn better stop r will list every poster on totse(thanks to many dreamers) learnering to how to dream has become easier.

But one thing is for sure; if one isnt going to do reserch on their choosen subject then why waste one time.

LATER !!!! !!!!!!

you can pull E from pills with acetametphine in them, but it is not advisiable because from what I understand in large doses it causes liver failure and it wants to pull right along with the E, it also make sleepy dope, shit makes you hungary and tired like you smoked a big doobie