Okay, chem heads. Put your thinking caps on.

I was fuc__ing around with things today and made something "decidedly yellow" by mixing ordinary table salt, 10 crushed p-ephed tabs, half teas of lye, 5ml of lidocaine hcl anhydrous - which winds up being 50mg of Lidocaine Hcl. I mixed it for a while, filtered off the gunk, and was left with a rather smelly clear yellow liquid. Funky huh? Inert ingred in the Lidocaine are - 7mg sodium chloride, and methylparaben 1mg.

Now, not being someone who knows about these things, what do you think I have here? OR what could I have if I added something else? BTW, what is the real way to make something fun out of these ingred:

p-ephed, engine starter fluid (mixed with water and then pipetted off, lye, Hcl, someone said that it would be easy to do in this manner all I got was, well, nothing in the end and the ether stunk. Threw the whole thing out.



WannaBeChemHead.

That's one of the most most fucked up (attempted) meth synths I've ever come across.

Moving to Lab Tips.

"Now, not being someone who knows about these things, what do you think I have here? "

Really? Ok, you ended up with a big ass mess. That's cool though....kinda. Anyway, you've come to the right spot to learn about what your apparently trying to make. BUT!!! You are going to have to start out like everyone else here. There is a search link type thingy at the top of this screen. Do a lot of searching, reading, Not Posting. Well, not yet. Until you get a grasp on what things are and why and how they're used....you'll just get burnt if you pop off like sluttelia. So be patient. Remember, if you don't know what Red phos, and H2o2 or whatever....the search engine is your best friend. I'll be seein ya!

I wasn't really trying to make anything with the lidocaine. I just happened to have some sitting next to me and was wondering what would happen if I mixed it together. It was pretty yellow anyway. I certainly wouldn't "do" anything with it.

I did however try to make something using engine starter (mix with water and suck off the top, right? You get ether, right?) Then I took 20 or so p-ephed pills stuck them in a jar, (here is where I think I fu_k_d up) I added distilled water to about half, then added about 2 teaspoons of lye, waited for the reaction to cool, I then added the ether, mixed it up like crazy for like 20 minutes, (smelled really bad), let it settle, sucked off the top layer of ether, placed it in another jar, added H2O in equal proportions to the ether, also 20 or so drops of 6N Hcl, shook it up like crazy and then took the watery bottom layer off and am drying it outside. Actually, from the looks of it, it looks like I got zilch. I really wanted to try making Nazi anhyrous ammonia stuff, but, the white buffalos of Iowa do not reside here. Any suggesstions? Do you think you can use Liquid Nitrogen instead of the ammonia? After all it is just to melt the lithium isn't it?

WannaBe

No dude, its not just to melt the lithium. Remember this:

Knowing a little bit about something is much more dangerous than knowing nothing at all; especially in the chemistry world.

So don't just start mixing shit together to see what happens. You may find out the hard way and wake up feeling kinda floaty, look around and realize that you are looking down at your mangled, smoking, partially dissolving body below you.

OK, now what was I going to ask?.............

What makes you think the lidocaine is anhydrous? If it is in a liquid form and contains sodium chloride, then chances are it also has water in there somewhere. If anything ever specifically calls for anhydrous, it means absolutely no water, none. Not one drop. Technically not even one molecule.

The yellow color is pill gaak. Throw the shit away, or drink it. If you don't throw up from the nasty taste, your mouth and throat will get numb and you may get the jitters for a while, then some really cool diarrhea.

Oops, sorry.

I forgot about the lye. Don't drink it, it will clean your colon a little more than you want it to.

Ether is "out of style". The good ole USA has a plethera of solvents to choose from that will grant you all the diversity you desire.

There are a few people here that are capable of offering credible advice, tired being one of them.

Beware of anything or anyone that says its quick and easy because at first nothing is quick and very little is easy.

Oh, and don't listen to that gottagogo dude. He's an idiot.

The reason I KNOW it is anhydrous is because the bottle says clearly on it, "Lidocaine Hcl Anhydrous"

I agree that knowing a little about something is dangerous. I have been trying to read up on things, but it seems that there is nothing consistant. OR sometimes parts of recipes are copied and pasted onto others that include little differences here and there.

I am glad that the ether thing is "outdated" it really made things stink for hours. What are some other sources, I have heard about colemans fuel. Any valididty to that?

I realise that things are not easy, I just wish that someone could forward something consistant along with measurements. I realise that I am not writing to Julia Child here, but something must work on a consistant basis starting with p-ephed and working it's way through the process. I would be happy just to synth ephed from p-ephed. Slowly moving on to red phos and those processes. Belive it or not, I actually don't do the drugs, I am just hell bent on seeing if I can make them. Perhaps I will blow up in the process, LOL!

WannaBe

BTW, who is that dude Sutillia or whatever his name is. Talk about danger disguised as little knowledge. I have been reading some of that dudes posts and, well, they are really good entertainment but not much else.

wanna be chemhead least im not as stupid as u i can make meth 3 different ways soo fuk u...if u want anhydrous ammonia its easy to produce using fert 34-00 and sodium hydroxide and water it makes nh3 even the hive will tell u that =) lol

Ok,Sutellia, whatever your name is, even I know that the word ANHYDROUS means that there is NO WATER in it. Besides, true AN (which means NO)HYDROUS (which means water as in NO-WATER AMMONIA) is a gas that under pressure is VERY, VERY COLD. So, I don't know what YOU are making with the fertilizer, but it ISN'T Anhydrous Ammonia. Whatever you are snorting sure effects how you spell.

Suttleila: Your Talkin out your neck again! You dont even know what "Real Meth" is! You actually think crank, meth, and glass are all 3 totally different substances! You think the by-product, excess, and intermediates are considered cut! You think "Blue" meth is a legitimate pure form of the molecule! You think amphetamine isnt a legitimate reducing agent in a methcathinone equation! You think methcathinone and towel-head Khat are the same substance! You thought you knew something!

I like you Mr. Sparkle. Perhaps we could be friiiieeeeeennnnddddsssssss...

No dude, sparky is one of those special agent cops. Its true. Froggy says so.

Sparky--

Actually "crank" isn't meth. Or maybe meth isn't crank.

Or maybe I am not me. This search and learn thing is exhausting. Now I am reading about all the controversy surrounding cleaning p-ephed. Man is thins tiring.

quote:Originally posted by 0.S. Sparkel:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by gottagogo:

[B]No dude, sparky is one of those special agent cops. Its true. Froggy says so.





LoL, OK, I CONCEDE! Anything to keep you Fuckers skeching Balls





[This message has been edited by 0.S. Sparkel (edited 08-28-2003).]

LOL

quote:Originally posted by gottagogo:

Actually "crank" isn't meth. Or maybe meth isn't crank.

A completed Reaction where all the reactants where measured to the exact stoichiometric amount would theorectically yield 100% PURE product. In reality this would not totally occur due to inconsistencies within the system. There are many many many ways to issolate your product from by-products. The desired active molecule in crank is methamphetamine. Personally I like Crank better then pure meth, its more Psychoactive ( ). Pure shard is nicer to smoke (On Foils, Fuck Glass) then crank. Fuck Crank, and Shard, PASS ME THE SPARKLE!

os ur a mofo idiot to even try to step..lol this is gonna be soo much fun!!! 1st off anhydrous means no water true...ask someone where what happens when you take nh4 add sodium hydrodide then a tiny bit of h20 lol it makes nh3...newayzzz....you could also use dryice to make it -33 degrees..next crank,meth,glass,ice,cat are all totally different molecules and drugs..even a different string..crank is l-meth...crystal is d-meth...cat is made by oxidizing ephedrine meth is made by reducing or idomizing r some crap as the hive puts it newayz cat is not amphetimine soo man wtf u must be doing to much crank lol cause your a straight up dumbass...try this dude take 34-0-0 fert and drop it in some water and see how cold it gets lol fuckwad peace out moron

OK Sutts, if your haven fun, Im having fun !

Slow down cowboy! I think you have hit a road block with your little l-meth, d-meth, dl-meth theory there bra! Its allright little man. We forgive you. And as far as what you think you seem to have absorbed from the hive on the street names to such isomars, I beleive you are gravely mistaken! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA dumb Bitch!

(Oh yeah, Thanks for clearin up that darn painstaking mystery of the definition of "anhydrous" partner. Wait, I dont recall ever contesting on this forum what "anhydrous" means. So why are you telling me something that everybody allready knows, including your dad-brother (same guy)?

here you go Suttleila: N2 + 3H2 ----> 2NH3

That there partner is the easiest way to make your little ***Miracle Waterless Ammonia*** little Fella)

Hey Bozo, I am almost 100% confident there is no such thing as "sodium hydrodide". Either provide me with a definition or molecular formula, or shuv it up your ass with all those fireeee supositries that you give head fucks on!

sodium hydroxide* god your a fool sparkel and deffently can't be dea whoever made that remark...cause swim has met dea they are very intelligent unlike you..go do some more fireeeeeeee crank/meth haha

Stupidity is a terrible thing, so is arrogance. But shit sutt your both and that is absolutely a recipe for disaster. I would be surprised if you live to 27 and still have both eyes 10 fingers and ten toes let alone air in your lungs. Do the world a favor and stick to chemistry that involves eggs sugar and flour