anyone know what it means when you use water and methyl alchohol to extract ephedrine, and it comes out pink??? well peachie in colour?

is it pure? or enough to do an acid base extrac?

Did you start with red pills?

in no way should water or methyl taint the eph pink or peach---were the pills coated in red shit--or did you scorch the pill mass when heating the solvents---as for the A/B ---get a point of the eph and mix it with 2 mls of methyl--pour onto a glass plate and evaporate---you should see pin wheel crystals--hold to light and see if any impurities are there,,,if theres a lot you might want to wash again--or if only a little then an A/B should get them--but yes it sounds like the time to go to your A/B extraction

the pills were white, not psuedo either, just had some other bullshit in them like wax and lactose, so i guess i may have overheated during evap, but does that hurt it, i railed a bit of the pink ephi, and well got a buzz, but i think ill use them in the a/b.. thx..

does it hurt it???well i assure you that it doesnt do it any good--sounds like youll have lost a little bit--not much though----when its brown you know your burnt it--and doing your a/b will remove most of it

cool now alls i need is a good a/b recipe, and proper measurments..

any help there???

ok,,,acid base extraction--psuedo is soluble in an alkaline but is insoluble in an acid--(so you add your psuedo to the water,ph6.7 and then make the water an acidic solution ph12.8 to ph13.1,,no more or lye lock occurs,,this kicks the psuedo out of the water but leaves all the crap still in the water)so disolve your psuedo into DISTILLED water(about 300ml per oz of psuedo),,,add your solvent of choice(10mls per gram is fine),,now i use to spoon in 2 teaspoons full of sodium hydroxide(red devil lye,,caustic soda)(id do about 2 ozs each time id A/B)and stirr it in--now keep adding sodium hydroxide in small increments and stirring it in and then letting it sit--when yourve added enough sodium youll see a white substance appear that will move to the top of the water but the bottom of the solvent(youll also see the water go clearer)now drain off EVERY DROP of water and your ready to put solvent and white layer into the birch----if its redphos/iodine---forget the adding the solvent to the A/B ----filter out the white layer,,,throw away the water,,,dry white layer in filter and its read for the redphos/iodine reduction

ok, first whats a birch?, seccond, im doing this on a very scaled down operation, like im talking one gram reaction, so do i have to be precise with the measurments of lye and water? oh and the solvent of choice, what kind of solvent, like HCL, or is it a methynol type?

Doesnt pure Ephedrine, no I said PURE ephedrine crack back crystal clear? No not slightly milky white! Crystal clear.

dunno what pure is, i think its white, either way, mines pink, and its not full of impurities, i know, cause it fuckin burns...

but yea, couldnt tell ya about the crystal clear...

ive got this siberian timberwolf and the fucker goes apeshit if i havent run him two miles by midday so thats where i been and not answered---a birch is the sodium metal,lithium /ammonia reduction of ephedrine to meth---a one gram A/B aah--scale it down to just as little as you can get away with--like a shot glass full of water should would do--a couple of pinches of sodium hydroxide-------the solvent----i used hexane100% but toluene100% is fine--some use ethylether---some use isopropanol

Hows there weather down there? Do much snow skiing this summer Kirby?

nice dog, and no worries..

as far as solvents go, the hexane, where did u get that, and toluene?

where would i get ether?

i see yourve listed cali as your home---ill take that as california--im in australia--down here hexane is called shellite and is sold in hardware stores as a fuel for little camper stoves---toluene is used as a paint thinner and is sold in hardware stores,paint shops and paint manufacturing companies---ethyl ether is red flagged and i dont know where it can be found,,,you should be able to find it in the same places,,if not hit the yellow pages

end of winter down here,,they still have a bit of snow east--yes i use to get over a couple of times a year but the last two havent been able to--i love winter down here mild and sunny--summer isnt my favourite time---tooo hot,,,,carnal desires are held for ones air conditioner

Home depot is a good place to look for solvents, or Lowes. i've never seen toluene anywhere but in a paint store.

quote:Originally posted by kirby:

ok,,,acid base extraction--psuedo is soluble in an alkaline but is insoluble in an acid--(so you add your psuedo to the water,ph6.7 and then make the water an acidic solution ph12.8 to ph13.1,,no more or lye lock occurs,,this kicks the psuedo out of the water but leaves all the crap still in the water)so disolve your psuedo into DISTILLED water(about 300ml per oz of psuedo),,,add your solvent of choice(10mls per gram is fine),,now i use to spoon in 2 teaspoons full of sodium hydroxide(red devil lye,,caustic soda)(id do about 2 ozs each time id A/B)and stirr it in--now keep adding sodium hydroxide in small increments and stirring it in and then letting it sit--when yourve added enough sodium youll see a white substance appear that will move to the top of the water but the bottom of the solvent(youll also see the water go clearer)now drain off EVERY DROP of water and your ready to put solvent and white layer into the birch----if its redphos/iodine---forget the adding the solvent to the A/B ----filter out the white layer,,,throw away the water,,,dry white layer in filter and its read for the redphos/iodine reduction

Ive never put sodium hydroxide into water to make it acidic , kirby can you elaborate on this you speok of a little more in d3etail.?

yes i could phrog----but it appears you have an exceptionally foul mouth and an aggravating attitude to many members here

phuck you candy ass nigger I was being sarcastic I know that adding lye to water doesnt make it acidic, and if you don't want to explain ya old bloke then fuk it don't.

and as for my attitude I didnt start it,

I could give a fuk if you explain or not or think I have a bad attitude, do you see me asking any questions here in lab tips, nah?

come on matey use yer fukin skull for something better than eye sockets.

your like the good librarian when your at

work then all the sudden you start talking about redheads with tight asses, mutherfucker

whos got a foul mouth ?

foul muff head fuker. look no hard feelings ok. I apologize that you think I haave a bad attitude and a foul mouth.

hmm,,,adding lye to water DOES make it acidic--in one paragraph you go from calling me a motherfucker to then apologizing--why ask questions if you already know the answers--sarcasm is a form of wit you have yet to master--you try to belittle people--but just antagonize them--your very difficult to understand because of your mood swings

quote:Originally posted by kirby:

hmm,,,adding lye to water DOES make it acidic--in one paragraph you go from calling me a motherfucker to then apologizing--why ask questions if you already know the answers--sarcasm is a form of wit you have yet to master--you try to belittle people--but just antagonize them--your very difficult to understand because of your mood swings

I apologize I thought adding acid to water would make it acidic and adding lye to water makes it basic, now that you have explained

something that contradicts physical science of elements and compounds that I ve been tought since grade school I will disregard

anything else that you think you know.

unless of course you explain to me the adding of sodium hydroxine to water to make it acidic.

are you telling me that im wrong in saying,,,by adding sodium hydroxide to water it raises the ph as such making it acidic

This is what I thought, adding an acid to

water makes it acidic, ph 1-6.9, 7 being nuetral, 7.1 to 14 is basic, to make an acidic water portion or acid nuetral or

basic you must add a base, sodium hydroxine,

sodium carbonate, milk even, ok.... I don't

see how adding sodium hydroxide to water makes it any way acidic,. Some acids include

sulfuric acid, hydrochloric acid, boric acid.

Some bases include Sodium hydroxine, sodium metasilicate, sodium carbonate.

ok.

i dont know who insults the intelligence more,,,you or that other dipstick sutteilla,,,all the people who post in this forum are right,,you pair are fuckwits arent you,,commonsense dictates i not answer you again

holy shit u guys dont get along...

but thx for the info.

quote:

ok,,,acid base extraction--psuedo is soluble in an alkaline but is insoluble in an acid--(so you add your psuedo to the water,ph6.7 and then make the water an acidic solution ph12.8 to ph13.1...

Ph over 7 is a base. 12.8-13.1 is quite basic rather than acidic. Seems like that's what you really meant anyways, considering the first part of your sentence.

Hey frogboy, howsabout a labgrade blowjob?

Talk in town es u likes given labgrade

headjobs!Makes no difference to u if are circumcised or not. Hear tell u likes the loose skin. Mo suckin!

This thread is completely out of control!!

What the hell are you guys doing? Chicken bacteria starts off with a legitimate question and every post that comes after it is a joke.

Kirby, man, slow down and think before you post. Reread what you are typing before you hit submit. Just the other day I was bragging on this place because here lately there has been less bickering and more useful, accurate, information. Everyone was working together, answering legit newbee questions and bitch slapping them when they were lazy pieces of shit. I'm gone for a bit and come back to what?

Sleepy trying to bring nazi death camp practices back into style, kirby and bill letting pHrog get under their skin, froggy skipping dose after dose of obviously much needed medication, and newbees getting away with asking questions that are easily answered by themselves if they would just take the time to do the work and research.

Thats right, work. This is not the answer line where you drop in for a few minutes and ask a question about step two of a procedure because you managed to make it through step one by some miracle and now are completely lost.

So listen yellow, sticky, yard bird infecting germ to what I am going to say, because it is more than you should be allowed to have.

pH refers to the power of Hydrogen. Hydrogen atoms are what makes your solution acidic. The more of them there are, the more acidic the solution is. I have no idea why you need to know that, so take it as trivia.

The A/B, or acid/base extraction, is THE most fascinating part of this particular hobby and I would consider it an injustice to both the artform as well as your proper understanding of this procedure to try to put it in a nutshell and I refuse to write it out yet again as it has been described more ways than your hard drive has the space to hold. It should be the easiest search you have ever done. You should have been told this as soon as you asked the question.

As for your original questions--

"anyone know what it means when you use water and methyl alchohol to extract ephedrine, and it comes out pink??? well peachie in colour?

is it pure? or enough to do an acid base extrac?"

here is my 2 cents worth--

is it pure?

If you think for just a moment, the thought should come to mind, "Maybe a google search of the physical characteristics or properties of ephedrine will tell me what pure ephedrine looks like." Maybe they are similar to pseudoepherine which are translucent needle shaped crystals, almost clear; opaque. Even if they were white it would be ok, but pink or peach, no.

or enough to do a acid/base extrac?

Yes. One of the best ways to practice the A/B is with extracted, but still filthy, (pseudo)ephedrine. Your buddy SWIY will be glad you did when it comes time to extract his gogo.

anyone know what it means when you use water and methyl alcohol to extract ephedrine



Why yes. It means you are speaking of the early to mid nineties when it was still possible to extract using this method, or it means you have some pills that were made before 1996, in which case they are probably no good by now, or you decided to try to perform an extraction procedure without doing your homework first. My guess is the latter.

Even the most cheaply made generic pill formulations cannot be extracted with water anymore. Chances are you have pulled some type of gaak with the ephedrine. There are plenty of ways to get it out, so don't worry. I can't think of any right now for some reason, but big city USA makes the new str8 2 E the best extraction technique Swigotta has ever dreamed possible. Some say it is not for newbees, but I don't see why not. The biggest hindrance is acquisition of chemicals, and homey D's carries them all.

I hope no one takes too much offense to the irritable tone of this post. Everyone who is here to assist newbees with their new hobby should be able to see just how true it all is.

Lets regroup. This site has a lot of potential.

I am not in the mood for any bullshit, so save your sarcastic comments for the "bitch and moan" or the "flame" forums. I sincerely tried my best to answer your questions the best way I know how without spoon feeding you. Spoon feeding is for little babies.

You're not a baby, are you?



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well, i just completed my second attempt at purifying the ephi's, think it worked this time.

my end product looks more like glass, and is yellow to clear in colouration..

and well, still tastes like shit, but atlest its not pink!!!!

please feel free to leave comments.

OK, how about a few tips you probably won't find on your own. Hmmmm..........??? Here's one.

The reduction of (pseudo)ephedrine (when you see it written this way, it means that the author is trying to relate to newbees that both ephedrine and pseudoephedrine will work interchangeably using that particular technique. The truth is, they are interchangeable for reduction purposes regardless of the technique.) as I was saying, the reduction of (pseudo)ephedrine to methamphetamine by way of hydriotic acid with red phosphorus as a iodine recycler is commonly referred to as the rp/i.

The tip is, the rp/i rxn. is somewhat forgiving of SLIGHTLY contaminated pseudo. This means that even if your feedstock is a little dirty, you can still get something out of it as long as you (this is a matter of opinion to some):

1. don't cook too hot

2. cook >36 hrs.

3. have enough water

Don't ask; ratios, times, and temps are everywhere. My opinion is here at totse in several places. You have to decide how you want to go after reading different viewpoints.

The crystals you describe sound ok, but then again, salt and sugar make some really awesome LOOKING crystals too.

Kirby said on page 1:

"get a point of the eph and mix it with 2 mls of methyl--pour onto a glass plate and evaporate---you should see pin wheel crystals"

Did you do this? What did you see?

Most importantly, you must give as much detail as possible when describing what happened in regard to how you came about the situation in question. The extremely diverse methodology inherent in this field makes it dificult to troubleshoot what was done wrong without knowing exactly what was done.

Just so you'll know, pseudo will always taste like shit.

specifics, ok, im doing this small scale, so i took 76 pills 8mg/ephi per pill, totalling 600mgs ephi. added unknown amount of water, agitated, let settle, syphoned water, boiled down, then took resultant powder added methyl alcohol, filtered, then chilled in freezer, filtered again, and then boiled alcohol till very little was left.. let rest evaporate, and i did see those pinwheel crystals form, some were pin wheel, some where more linear, but pinwheel for the most part..

i think i got the extraction down, my main concern is for the a/b extrac, and then the actual reduction itsself..

this is where i need help...

changed accounts,

previous was salimonilla,

but its still me..

peace

Hey, Burner

You ever get your shit worked out? Did you get what you wanted?

sorta yes sorta no,,,,

im not sure what u are refering to exactly

what is an oxidized molecule. please help as i am trying to learn this stuff. i am finding it quite complicating?????????

Heather, you might want to enroll in a elementry chem class to build a foundation. I could attempt to explain it, but it wouldnt make sense! But if you insist I will give it a shot.

Heather? Are you from Y-town? You'll know the one I mean if you are. How's Jacob?