someone from the hive said its possible to use bleach as an oxidizer in makin cat soo i guess it goes to show people at totse don't know everything huh and now im fixing to post the lordmighty method and see what they say....=)they also said it takes the place of pott perm hmmmm

suttleila, to say "someone" from the hive said bleach was used in the oxidation of ephedrine into methcathinone does not forward your view point----the hive, like lab tips, has its share of village idiots---perhaps if the name of this someone was put forward---then this bleach synthesis could be discussed and reviewed at a more creditable level---another side worth considering---is the level of intelligence displayed by those who take what they read to be the absolute truth---ive found it more noteworthy to read, ponder, and then go forth and confirm hypothesis by investigation and study---try it sometime sutty--itl be a new experience for you

fuck you kirby fuck totse man yall are fuckin stupid lames that hate on people that are trying to learn just like u....man its possible to why should i post the name of the person i already know he knows more than you cause he proved its possible i don't need your help......and no im not gonna give his name so screw u..who cares what you believe im fixing to quit comming to this sorry ass forum i tried giving it a chance but no one here respects anyone and if yall don't know something then you claim its not possible well thats fucked up and not the attitude of any chemist..screw you dude!!!

thats not true sutt,,im the first to admit when im not possessing of knowledge---why not post the mans online hive name--chances are we all know him ---and on the subject of respect---respect is earnt, not given,its not something you get at birth like arms and legs--in many industries its hard earnt over many years---and im sorry but you come across as someone who just likes to ask inane questions from the other side of mars---yesterday it was mdma from meth--today cat from bleach---to study those subjects takes many days if not weeks--yet you jump from one to the other---many of us take this forum seriously--and object to people who treat it with disrespect and contempt---if your trying to learn a recipe--fine--we are all here to help each other and learn--but not to answer or think about any subject that pops into your mind--relax and kick back sutt--and only ask about what your cooking next or hope to cook next

kirby the ?'s i ask or trying to help swim decide what birch to do next....i like to switch to different methods because i know some and i want to see if others are easiler obtained and easier to work with... his name is chemistris...he said its possible.i know that ammonia mixed with bleach makes a mild ammounim chloride oxidizer and it is used in someones mda method on the hive...the matha stewart post...ok im giving you the benfit of the doubt...i told you who said it and im not just asking crazy ?'s im askin to learn that is what totse should be about...helping people to understand that are not chemist =)

quote:Originally posted by suttleila:

kirby the ?'s i ask or trying to help swim decide what birch to do next....i like to switch to different methods because i know some and i want to see if others are easiler obtained and easier to work with... his name is chemistris...he said its possible.i know that ammonia mixed with bleach makes a mild ammounim chloride oxidizer and it is used in someones mda method on the hive...the matha stewart post...ok im giving you the benfit of the doubt...i told you who said it and im not just asking crazy ?'s im askin to learn that is what totse should be about...helping people to understand that are not chemist =)

post the qustion on the board at the hive and have chemistris tell you on the board it will work. what is said in private messages means nothing. also since you say he said it will work, hound him to explain why like you do everyone who says it wont work. or just substitute the pott. with bleach in the synth and see for yourself.

i indeed found the martha stewart post at the hive and the synth where bleach was used as an oxidizing agent. when you read this post did you not read the replys???

it was laughed at and ridiculed. here are the replys to the synth you are basing your theory on:

(1)Well Martha Steward, You should go back to cooking cornflakes-encrusted chicken, cause with chemistry it just ain't tasting so good. I find your post somewhat misinforming. MDP2Pol cannot be made via H2SO4, at most MDP1Pol can, so your end-product will be the less potent ALPHA instead of MDA. Also I don't think that grinded up pennies will be very effective where Zn dust is needed. And the most important thing, you don't mention cleaning MDP2P even by the bisulfite route. You should at least distill the ketone if you're not distilling safrole or MDMA base.

I hope no-one will waste sassafras oil on this one. But hey, Martha, try your proposed reaction scheme, i'll bet ya you will not get a single gram of MDA out of it.

(2)i can't say i'd trust the research of anyone pretending to be an educated chemist who suggests making MDMA using MeNH3.

i suppose this falls into the hypothetical synths "i'm trying to trick other bees into testing out for me" category...

or did somebee finally get ketone from the secondary alcohol while i was away?



lol sutt you never cease to amaze me. all this bullshit you started over a synth you read that was ridiculed from the very start.

Sodium Hypoclorite will strip the amine off of the anything. In fact, I would only use bleach to destroy any kind of powder to avoid a prison term. So, you go ahead and make your bullets, but they will be blanks. Sell it, and find out how quickly blanks will get you killed.