Swim mixed 140ml of iso-alcohol, 140ml of vm&p naptha, 8grams of microwaved epsom salt, 2grams of table salt in a 500ml flask and shook for 10 minutes.

Swim then added 2 boxes of 20 count 120mg 12 hour genaric brand sinus pills [4.8g pseudo]

Once the pills disolved a microwave was used to heat up the solution [temp unknown] just get it hot.

Quickly pour the solution through a filter, set solution aside and return the solids back to flask whare you will add 50ml iso-alcohol and 50ml vmp naptha to get any pseudo left behind in the same manner [heat then filter]

Now mix both extractions together and add heat until 1/4 of the solution has evaporated then set aside and watch the pseudo needles slowly precipitate, after 20 minutes or so filter out your pseudo and evap off a little more solution and repeat this sequence of heat/cool/filter until you see some white gakky shit that looks nothing like the pseudo crash out then just toss it out.

If you can get TCE just spray it on your pseudo as it sits in the filter to rinse out any bullshit.

If you can't find TCE then just boil the pseudo in whatever np solvent you have available [xylene or MEK are good] then filer out, dry and store your pseudo for a rainy day.

Usualy get 4.2 grams back average.

Excellent post Sleepy!

Get a lavalamp and a punchball balloon, empty out lava, clean, dry ect.

Add 8ml h2o, 3.2 grams of rp, 6.4 grams of i2 and turn on the bulb. Once the solution turns clear add your 4.2 grams of pseudo, put on the balloon and leave it alone for 5-7 days.

Filter out leftover rp, A/B and enjoy your 3.5 grams or so of nearly lab grade stuff.

Damn Sleepy, does swim really get that back on the return? That's fantastic, being able to leave the goodie cookin without the worry of

running the pot dry! BTW, how much for a lava lamp? Also where would one find Varnish

Makers & Painters Naptha?

lavalamps are around $40

solvents are sold at hardware/home improvement stores [paint isle]

holly crap 40 bones for a lava lamp are you sure go down to walmart lighting section a whole veriatey of lava lamp 10-25 dollars.

nice ones too not crap.

anyone know why he used table salt in the reaction????

kirby i have always used table salt instead of rock salt/dryice and many other things i find table salt works the best

wal-marts lavalamps have dinky lil 25 watt bulbs. You want the 45watt halogen lamps.



The table salt helps dry the extraction juice, it has nothing to do with the "reaction" I thing does something to the polarity also but not sure. Ask video editor

i understand that salt and dry ice creates a much colder enviroment but sleepy is mixing it into his cleaning solvent????

Sleepy is right about the plain salt, it

clearly states in the recipe by Video Editor.

Thanks for clarifying the halogen bulb, this makes sense about how hot the reaction gets.

Very hot as opposed to an incandescent bulb.

OK just curious...SWIM never used 120'S but may just have to try this method. Wondering do you crack the shells and take them off with a dry acetone wash or do you just proceed straight out of the box of 120'S?

[This message has been edited by kahimohala bound (edited 08-20-2003).]

Hey guys--

Just for clarification, plain salt, NaCl, no iodine added, is used as a drying agent. Even if you use predried iso and naptha it has been said that the mixing of the two solvents releases bound up water that still remains. The salt is usually filtered off when the iso/naptha elixir is made, but I can't see what it would hurt to leave it in. Salt may help release any hydrogen bonds holding the pfed to something else, as Nsleepy aluded to. I would filter it off anyway.

I don't have the molar weights in front of me, but 3.5 from 4.2 has got to be pretty close to 100% yield. If this is the return, I would suspect something else is in there besides meth. That yield is unrealistically high. I also disagree with the amount of water used, but it is not impossible considering the duration. Don't try this with hours instead of days. You will be greatly disappointed. Sleepy has always been a big advocate of excessive water. There is a great risk of creating a HI solution that is too dilute to reduce the intermediates to meth. If you want to go with that much water then go with 1:1 iodine H2O. At least this way the HI will be concentrated enough for the reduction.

One more thing. I assure you that it is not necessary to make the HI first before you add the pfed. As long as the water has been added before the iodine, you will not damage the pfed. You have my word as a speaker of truth.

Gogo, if I could vote or select you as a moderator for this forum you would get my vote! Always keeping it on the straight and narrow which is good and very informative about chemistry as a realist. No Bull! Also, just remembered something about VE's cleaning

of pseudo, in the final process of adding 50ml xylene to each box used and heating to

90 degrees C(105 degrees for VE) filter in funnel. It says take filter and filter cake and let dry, assuming not the hot solvent

just filtered? Let the filterings

dry to retrieve pseudo? Thanks

[This message has been edited by stillbill (edited 08-20-2003).]

Everyone knows that I am far too longwinded to moderate, but I certainly appreciate the comments. People like you are why I can't seem to get away from this place.

I'm not exactly sure where you are so I would like to take it from here--

blah, blah...add 50ml. xylene, drive off the remaining iso and the pseudo will precipitate, or crash, out of the solution. While the solution is still hot, filter out the crystals. Dry the filter with filter cake.

I have the procedure right here, I'm just too lazy (or actually rushed. Got something going on.) to minimize this and go read it. Anyway that's about the jist of it.

Here's how Swigotta does it--

Note-- Swigotta uses a vacuum filtration system with custom made funnels and attachments. I have no idea if any of this will work without it.

When you first filter the hot elixir from the PM boil, a majority of the pseudo will crash out of the solution right then and there. He lets it cool for about 20 minutes, then he refilters it. He then puts the funnel onto another clean jar and rinses the filter cake with dry acetone (VE calls for MEK, but it is almost double the price of acetone). The filter is removed from the funnel and put on a fan fed drying rack until completely dry. It is then stored in a ghetto dessicator (made by gogo, as is most everything he uses).

The elixir and acetone rinse are kept separate for a reason. Although the acetone will help more crystals crash out, it is now full of crap from rinsing the crystals in the previous filter. So make sure that the acetone rinse is done separately. Take a look at that shit after about 6 hours and you will get a good look at that micro crystalline whatever (I think). It looks very similar to pseudo (just like it when you filter and dry it), but it clumps together and looks all cottony in solution. (why am I going into all of this. Oh yeah, we just got through testing....) Anyway, keep them separate. The elixir will precipitate out more crystals especially if you put the jar in the freezer for a while. Refilter like before. Then reheat it and do it again. When he has run everything he is going to run, he takes everything out of the dessicator (which is better pseudo than some people use in their reaction) and dissolves it in denatured alcohol (it dissolves the pseudo much quicker and is immiscible with the xylene forming a layer on the bottom). When the crystals precipitate from the xylene, they are filtered and rinsed just like before, this time they are clean enough to be used in the reaction. Stored in dessicator number two waiting for their moment of glory.

Gotta Gotta GoGo!!!

Hey Gotta...Swirh says he agrees bout the MEK cost... He read sumeres that MEK was "poor man's tone"... <scratches head and wonders if the "poor man" is Don Trump>... And if one ever has the pleasure (heavy on the sarcacity here) to use MEK instead of tone for panning... very educational experience as to the smell of it real up close and personal...

Poor guy had to do it in a pinch with inadequate ventilation, in a foreign environment, and had shortage of tone... never again (least not without the ventilation)... Oh well, hehe; live and learn... Keep it real Gotta... Peace

pseudo is a tad bit soluable in dry acetone, add some non-polor to it so you don't loose pseudo

I've briefly scanned over the STE process, and related topics such as this one, but have never considered using it because it seemed to be for very small amounts/extractions. Like I said, I didn't thoroughly examine or think about how to scale it up to a larger amount, so I probably have no right answering this question, for lack of research on my own...but, I like to do about 1,000 60mg. pills at a time. Is the STE suitable for this amount? I'll be damned if I do 40 pills at a time!

Thanks, Shooter

quote:Originally posted by Str8_Shooter!:

I've briefly scanned over the STE process, and related topics such as this one, but have never considered using it because it seemed to be for very small amounts/extractions. Like I said, I didn't thoroughly examine or think about how to scale it up to a larger amount, so I probably have no right answering this question, for lack of research on my own...but, I like to do about 1,000 60mg. pills at a time. Is the STE suitable for this amount? I'll be damned if I do 40 pills at a time!

Thanks, Shooter

Hey Shooter...Swirh was doing some research and looked across this old post... Swirh would say what the hey on this... Swirh has heard of stories of 750 to 1000 whitey's being done at a time... But all rumors ya know...Peace

Swin has heard that mixing the TCE 5 to 1 with the jap drier remove more nasties.