Does the end result of a nano need to be cleaned, or is it ready to go as soon as it's evaporated?

Swij says his nose hurts. He thinks maybe it should have been cleaned some how.

Swij's nose only hurt for about two minutes, though, and then swij was off to the races.

Swij says to thank Gotta and Wicked for the tech support. He'd thank them himself, but he's been really fucking wired lately.

Only kinda needs to be cleaned. You do need to follow directions, including ph and A/B extraction. Tell your dreams I said good luck.

Yes, it is important to recrystallize. There is still a lot of junk in the plate.



For future reference, search for a post by gottagogo in a thread by masahed I think is titled dual solvent recrystallization. Of course gotta did not come up with the idea, he simply rewrote it adding in some little tips that Swigotta uses for nanos and such.

Gotta,I did a search on dual solvent recrystallization with your name, and it brought me back to this thread. Stupid totse.

Swij's yields were small. pathetic. embarassing, really. Swij doesn't want to talk about yields. The important thing to swij is that his first nano did yield product, and it's better than anything swij has ever bought.Swij has never been so wired in his life as he was on Saturday. His poor girlfriend had to listen to childhood stories for hours.

Swij's meth is a little bit greasy, and swij thinks it's because the pseudo was a little greasy going in. It's not too greasy to chop up and sniff, but it does stick to the sides of the bag. Swij blames the E-Gull, and himself for thinking that such a simple, safe technique could produce quality pseudo. Nevertheless, swij is encouraged by his results. He was honestly expecting to get nothing in return, so the little bit he got (alright, I'll tell you. Swij yielded a measly three points from 1.2 grams of pseudo.) he was happy to see. Swij thinks yields will come with practice, and a better extraction tek. Swij doesn't have the facilities to perform a str82e, not to mention he can't find naptha anywhere.

Oh, and Wicked, you were right about that smell. It was like nothing swij has ever smelled before, but it did have an egg-like quality.

To all you other newbees, keep it up. bees don't get much newer than swij, and he was able to pull it off. Keep at it, it's not as hard as it seems initially. Once you get your head wrapped around it, it's actually a lot of fun.

hey jib, SWIM found what he believes to be swigottas post on dual solvent from his archives. when he archives this stuff he remove all reference to who posted it so in case he ever has ummmm problems he dont drag anyone else into his bullshit but he believe this is it. if its not he will tell him im sure lol:

As far as recrystallizing goes, a daul-solvent will have you very pleased. Place a bunch of acetone in a pot. Place some methanol in a beaker or something. Turn on the stove and put the pot on (if I have to tell you how to safely bring acetone to a boil without setting yourself on fire you don't need to be doing this). You might not want to turn the stove on right away, as acetone boils really quick. Now place meth into crystallizing vessel. A shallow and wide vessel will produce small needle-like shards. A tall and skinny one will produce big finger size crystals (depending on how much of course). So tall and skinny=big short crystals, short and wide=small long crystals. Anyways, nuke the methanol in the microwave until it begins boiling (be careful for bumping). Now add small amounts of the boiling methanol to the meth crystal. Add a splash, swirl, and repeat to you have saturated hot methanol/meth solution (meaning add just enough boiling MeOH to dissolve all the meth, no more no less). Once that is done, immediately pour in about 6 times the methanol/meth solutions volume of boiling acetone (the shit on the stove). Stir well, as mixture may already start to become cloudy (sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't). Cover this with saran wrap and do one of the following:

1-For a a crop of average shard-like crystals, place in freezer for a couple hours.

2-For big beautiful award winners, let sit out overnight, then fridge for few hours, then freezer. Slower the cooling, the better the crystals (even though freezing right off the bat still produces beatiful shit).

When shit has formed crystals, filter mixture. Dry crystals and use. A little more product is usually recovered by boiling off a portion of the acetone/methanol solution, and re-freezing. This can be done until no more crystals come out.

Now behold! The best rock-candy you have ever grown!

ok now on to the other thing, geez has come up with a new extraction technique which is a revised version of the straight to E. he calls it the straight to B and here it is:

Extraction Technique: Straight to Bee--The New Cure

A Universal Pill Extraction Technique

- Purpose -

SWIVE has only been doing free base reactions so his goal was to create a fast, clean method for producing psuedo free base from an ever changing array of pills. He believes this technique will accomplish just that. No pre washing, no soaking, no red removal. It's not a water less A/B in fact, it's just the B and thats why he calls it "Straight to Bee". It is totally OTC and uses activated carbon as a cleaning aide while exploiting the lazy characteristics of VM&P naptha. This method was written to be easily scalable. Average yield is 60% of very clean free base.

- Definitions -

In this write up SWIVE will use the phrase "for every box of pills used"

This stands for every box of 48 x 60mg, or 96 x 30mg, or 20 x 120mg.

In addition SWIVE will use the phrase "for every gram of total pill mass"

This stands for the total weight of the pills before grinding.

Text appearing in red denotes actions that should bee followed exactly for best results.

Text appearing in green denotes FAQS. (frequently asked questions)

- Materials -

One beaker or other heat proof glassware

(approximately 100ml for every box of pills used)

One erlenmeyer flask or other heat proof glassware

(approximately 100ml for every box of pills used)

One graduated cylinder 100-200ml or other liquid measuring device in ml

One pyrex pie plate (2 if more than 5 boxes are used)

Two 5" glass funnels or plastic fuel funnels

One 5" wire mesh kitchen strainer (dollar store type)

One 5ml baby medicine dropper

Charmin bath tissue (reg no scent)

Glass stirring rod or bamboo skewers

Clean coffee grinder

Hot plate

Small fan

Small scale weighing in grams

Safety glasses, latex gloves

Activated carbon, research grade (pets fart store)

Corn starch (supermarket)

Dry acetone - CH3COCH3 (dried with baked sodium carbonate)

Sodium carbonate - Na2CO3 (washing soda)

Sodium chloride - NaCl (salt)

Sodium hydroxide - NaOH (lye)

VM&P naptha - no substitutions (paint store)

(Do Not use colemans, pet ether, lighter fluid, etc.)

- Optional Materials -

Gassing setup if HCL salt is desired outcome

One Inflatable Lab Assistant

Six pack of Guinness

- Abstract of Procedure -

Combine Pills with activated carbon, NaCl, NaOH and Na2CO3.

Grind to a fine powder and sift through strainer.

Stir in acetone.

Add trace amount of water.

Mix until paste.

Add corn starch.

Mix until consistency of damp potting soil.

Dry completely.

Add naptha.

Heat to boiling while stirring.

Filter thru Charmin filter.

Repeat two times

Freeze filtrate.

Filter out crystals.

Convert to salt form if desired.

- Standard Procedure -

01) Weigh pills and record total weight.

02) Place pills into a clean coffee grinder.

03) For every box of pills used add:

- 2 grams of washing soda

- 2 grams of salt

- 4 grams of activated carbon

- 4 grams sodium hydroxide

What if it all won't fit in the coffee grinder? Process about 3 - 4 boxes at a time.

Why am I adding salt? To attract water and to act as an abrasive to aid in grinding.

Why am I adding washing soda? To act as a buffering agent.

After grinding the mixture becomes hot and doesn't sift well? Carbon sold for aquarium filtration may contain excess moisture. The moisture content will be apparent when the carbon is ground. Moist carbon will tend to cake on the side of the grinder, and will feel moist. If the carbon is moist, dry it before use by heating in an oven or microwave. Take precautions handling the heated carbon to avoid burns. Allow the carbon to cool before grinding or combining with other ingredients. Store any unused dried carbon in an air tight container.

04) Grind the mixture to a fine powder. Its important that we grind the mixture as fine and uniformly as possible, about the consistency of coarse flour.

05) Sift the mixture into the beaker using a wire mesh strainer placed inside a large funnel to minimize dusting. When grinding and sifting be careful with vents, fans and open windows so your pseudo doesn't blow away as dust. You also dont want to inhale NaOH or carbon dust. Let the dust settle in the coffee grinder before opening the lid.

06) For every gram of total pill mass add:

- 1.5ml dry acetone

This measurement will get you in the ball park. We want the mixture to be a liquid at this point, not a paste. Add more acetone in small increments as the mixture will go from stiff to fluid very quickly. Acetone used for this purpose should be dried before use, as the moisture content of acetone can vary over such a wide range that the only way to obtain consistent results it to dry the acetone before use.

07) For every box of pills used add while stirring:

- 3 drops DH2O (use the baby medicine dropper)

Why are we using dry acetone and then adding water? Since the amount of moisture present is critical for proper basing, and the water content of non-dried acetone is widely variable, the only way to accurately control the moisture available for basing is to dry the acetone first, then add a measured amount of water.

08) Stir with a glass rod for about 3 to 4 minutes. The mixture will slowly thicken to a wet paste.

09)For every box of pills used add:

- 1.0 gram corn starch

10) Stir for a few minutes. The mixture will become very stiff and the consistency of damp potting soil, with no signs of visible liquid. Add more cornstarch in very small increments if nessesary.

Why the cornstarch? The cornstarch is a great absorbent and helps to dry our mixture fast. When drying the cornstarch will keep our mixture from turning into hard little rocks and when powdered again keeps the mixture free flowing. It also will help absorb waxy gak when we extract our free base.

11) Spread out the mixture on the pie plate(s) and let dry completely. It will dry fast because the carbon has increased the surface area of our mixture.

12) When completely dry sift the mixture back into the beaker using the wire mesh strainer placed inside a large funnel.

13) For every box of pills used add: [blue]

- 35ml Naptha

14) Mix well. Then place the beaker on the hot plate set to med high heat. With constant gentle stirring, heat the mixture until boiling. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the solids settle out for a few minutes.

Isn't boiling naptha dangerous? Boiling any flammable solvent is an extremely dangerous practice. Solvents should not be heated over an open flame or on any apparatus that is capable of producing a spark. This includes defective or damaged electric hot plates. Adequate ventilation is required. This should not be done in a closed environment due to risk of explosion and/or fire and due to health concerns regarding inhalation of solvent fumes. The constant use of a fan positioned to blow across the solvent will disburse the vapor, reduce the risk of fire and explosion.

15) While waiting, make a charmin filter. Take 4 plys of charmin and fold three times to make a square. Fold that over once and then once again to make a quarter square. Completely wet the square with some clean naptha using the medicine dropper and place the pad into the bottom of funnel across the neck. The Charmin should not be "packed" or "compressed". Gently mold the edges around the contour of the funnel bottom. Wet it again with naptha and place this filter-funnel into the erlenmeyer flask.

16) Slowly decant the naptha into the funnel in small amounts and allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask. Don't pour in more than can pass through the charmin in more or less real time. If you make a big puddle it may start to crystalize in the funnel clogging the filter. The filtered naptha should be crystal clear. Free base crystals will start to form in the filtrate. Set the flask aside.

17)[blue] For every box of pills used add:[blue]

- 20ml Naptha

18) Mix well. Then place the beaker on the hot plate set to med high heat. With constant gentle stirring, heat the mixture until boiling. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the solids settle out for a minute.

19) Slowly decant the naptha into the same filter-funnel in small amounts and allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask combining filtrates. Don't pour in more than can pass through the charmin in more or less real time. Do not replace the charmin, continue to re-use the same pad.

20)[blue] For every box of pills used add:

- 10ml Naptha

21) Mix well. Then place the beaker on the hot plate set to med high heat. With constant gentle stirring, heat the mixture until boiling. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. Remove from hot plate.

22)Slowly decant the naptha into the same filter-funnel in small amounts and allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask combining filtrates. Then empty the entire contents of the beaker into the filter funnel and let drain.

23) While draining boil a small amount of naptha about 5 ml for every box of pills used. When all the liquid appears to have drained through, pour the boiling naptha over the filter cake and let it drain again. Then take a large spoon and press down on top of filter cake squeezing any remaining naptha into the flask.

Should I do a forth pull? You can try but tests have shown its usually not enough gain to justify the effort. Only do additional pulls if the end result is less than 45%

24) Place the erlenmeyer flask with the combined filtrate on the hot plate set to med high. Heat to boiling or until all crystals have re-dissolved. Pour the hot filtrate into clean pie plate(s).

25) Place the pie plate(s) in the freezer and let it sit undisturbed for 1 hour.

26) Remove the pie plate(s) from the freezer and pour off the used naptha filtering out free base crystals using a coffee filter. Let the collected free base crystals dry. Some crystals may adhere to the pie plate. Let them dry before removing.

27) WARNING: The remaining naptha does contain some additional pseudoephedrine free base. The pseudo available by titrating this naptha is known to contain contaminants, particularly polyethylene glycol. If you wish to titrate or gas to obtain this pseudo, you should be aware that it will require further cleaning by multiple recrystalizations. If you combine this pseudo with the freebase crystals in a reaction and have not cleaned them thoroughly by recrystalizations, you will contamination the reaction, your product will be contaminated, and your yield will suffer substantially.

28) If the HCL salt is the desired outcome, redissolve the free base crystals in fresh non polar solvent and gas or titrate. Do Not gas the original Naptha. If you gas the original naptha you will pick up unwanted contaminants. You may alternatively move the free base crystals into a small quantity of dH2O and add HCl drop wise with stirring until the free base crystals all dissolve. Evaporate over low heat until this alligators over, then flash with dry acetone. Filter the acetone and pseudoehphedrine HCL though a coffee filter, rinse with acetone, allow to dry.

- Calculating Yield -

When calculating your yield remember to adjust for free base.

Psuedo HCl is about 202gr per mole and psuedo free base is about 166gr per mole.

So 166 divided by 202 is a ratio of 0.82 So potential yield from 1 box of 120's

would be 20 x 120 x 0.82 = 1.9 grams free base vs 2.4 grams for psuedo HCL.

- Advantages and Disadvantages -

The technique should be, for the near future, virtually universal. It should successfully extract most pseudoephedrine pills. The materials are easily available and draw less attention than xylene and tolulene purchases. Yields should range in the sixty percent range. The pseudoephedrine so obtained will be very clean--characteristic of A/B extractions of pseudoephedrine. The main disadvantage is heating a flamable solvent.

- Acknowledgements -

Created in a dream by SWIVE. This would not of been possible without the fearless contributions of many bees and the invaluable database we call the Hive. A special thanks goes to the Geezmeister, MnkyBoy77 and Scottydog for donating their time, wisdom and valuable precursors to field test this technique.

Known to be effective with the following pills:

30 mg pseudoephedrine, Sudafed and Perrigo

Actifed

Perrigo 60 mg with tripolidine

Allerfrim

Sudafed 120 and 240 Time Release

Perrigo 120 Time Release

thumbs up to geez and the bees that came up with this. it sure helps us chemicaly challenged bees lol. it is easier and you dont have to come up with some of the more exotic chems. everything can be had OTC and is normal household stuff. VM&P naptha is sold at the wal that is a mart and at several other large stores including hardware stores. surley you can find it. oh and now you see why SWIM calls it the bad smell that smells good lol

The following is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not the posters intent that this information be used for anything that would be considered illegal or in violation of any international laws. The poster accepts no responsibility for any and all activities that may be carried out as a result of the information contained herein. Check your local, state and federal laws. The poster shall not be held liable and indemnified from impeachment for the use, misuse, injury, death, imprisonment or fellation due to the application of this information.







[This message has been edited by Wicked_Rain (edited 08-20-2003).]

i think youll find most uncut high quality meth will rip your nose out

oh and one more thing jib. it has been SWIM`s experience that when your shit stays greasy its been over gassed.

if its greasy---disolve the UNCUT meth in some dnh2o and then pour onto pyrex baking dish--evaporate dnh2o and itl be clean dry crystals needing to be scraped off the dish