Okay this is just a dream I had the other evening. I have been reading on this site for months trying to sort out for myself what here is real chemistry and what is bullshit. Really I wish someone here could create a verylimited access site. One were you had to be knowledgeable, respectful, and also speak in plain English. I check this site so often trying to learn and half the time its just bickering and people making false claims. Not meaning to bitch and I know if I dont like the site I should get lost. But well there are some very amazing minds here and just reading all your guys post I have learned alot. Anyway sorry to ramble on but here is my question. I have never done any illegal drugs only Ive abused prescription narcotics but never any uppers. Anyway I wanted to try but I trust no one and wanted it to be my little secret so I started reading here. I took the advice given here and researched here for months before making CAT. Well it was not quite what I was hoping for. This may be my fault as I used 3 way pool test strips and they are worthless. Also recipes were conflicting. One guy never used a Polar solvent only alcohol and also he only adjusted ph once. The other recipe called for this to be done twice POOPENs recipe. I used Poopeens but results sucked. I got absolutely no high.I think its my fault as poopeen seems to be intelligent. I did not use muriatic instead I used sulferic acid drain opener( ROebic blended sulferic)my first mistake and also I could not find red devil. I had to use DRAIN OUT crystals. I believe I added to much sulferic acid because those ph tester suck. I cant find just plain litmus paper so Im just goind to spend 80 bucks on a digital one. Anyway has anyone used that recipe succesfully. Is the methanol only cleaning of the pseudo sufficient as mentioned in the other archived CAT recipe. Also hoping for better luck with real meth I tried to make a small batch wtih 50 Congest aid tablets These I get from work as they have no other active ingredients.

Here is what I did

1. Soaked pills in every small amount methanol for 10 minutes to loosen red coating.

2 Rinsed uner running tap water till red wasl almost all gone.Then rinsed again with DH20.

3. Placed 50 pills in blender with 400 ml methanol, blended 2minutes allowed to settle fot 1 hour.

4. Suctioned off methanol and filered into jar. Added more alcohol to belnder and repeated. Threw away sludge amd boiled off on stove with fan blowing. Some say boiling will cause heat to destroy your percursors. Yes or no how hot is to hot guys.

5. boiled down and red color came back and shit got gooey. reduced with more methanol and cooked off again Did not get much better

6. Used scissors to cut strips off 100 safety matchbooks. Shook in methanol till strips were white. Allowed to settle 2 hours and sucked red alcohol off top and trashed it. Added boiling DH2O and shook, settled and siphoned again. Added very cold DH2O and settled again. At this point wter was clear but there red shit on bottom, was this RP or just grit. ALso small particles suspended in water as well as floating on top. I was unsure so I filterd it all and smashed the shit dry in newspapers.

7. Prepaerd tinc in dark. 18 ounces 3%hydrogen peroxide, 3 eyedroppers with my shitty sulferic, 4 ounces DH2O, and 3 ounces of tinc. Shook for 2 minutes allowed to react for 20 minutes SHook again and another 20 minutes until filtering. There was a very small oily scum floating in the filter, normal or not. Rinsed with about 4 cups hot DH2O. I did not add hot muriatic as I have not heard a definite answer on this one. Please help answer that one.

8. Measured out in suggested ratios. Precursors were not bone try as som say they must be and others add peroxide or DH2O. What is what works for all you guys? Pseud was damp, I2 was very dry and RP was very dry as well. Added all ingredients to small plastic bottle and no reaction. It started to get warm but no expansion or growing as mentioned. Added peroxide capfule taped on a condemn and heated in wate bath. held it in near boiling water. Condemn never expanded much was this becaue small reaction will make little gas or because I had no clue what I was doing and there was no reacddddddddddddddddtion. Heated for 2 hours and I was optimistic because I could see a difference in the mix now. Added double volume of DH2O and washed out reaction vessel.added good lye this time red devil to water in 50/50 mix.

9. Chilled lye and added by dropper until reaching the suggested ph in water layer.

10.Added equal amount ether to honey water.Shook foever and add dropsof my shitty acid and watched as crystals dropped out. This looked really cool and thought maybe I was succesful. Tested ph and think Iadded to much acid. Those strips are worthless but I cant find plain litmus papar nor can I find instructions for use of cabbage as indicator. anyway siponed off water add Vision ware adde more water to ether and phd again then shiponed. Is it safe to save ether and reuse. Before adding the ether water was not vey yellow more reddish and smelled of iodine, was this uncomplete reaction. Ether seemed to clear it up though especially with adding the acid. Left it to evap on its own for 14 hours but this was too slow. Started to cook it off and immediately saw blue+black particles suspended in water. This was the shit blended in my sulferic acid. Other than that water was clear until nearing the end of cooking down. I had no white or yellow crystals just this shitty dark stuff. Tasted it and it was very acidic. The shit in my acid was totally coloring my water and I thought it was ruined so like a dumbass and not having the slightest clue I added some baking soda to water and added that hoping perhaps I coul save it and make it smokable.In correct the shit still burns the nostrils like hell and I dont feel much and I cant burn it either . WOnt melt

Sorry for such along post but please help if anyone can make any since of this. Do you think with the proper strip and acid it would have worked. That and out of curiosity can you guys say the avergae price shit sells for where you guys are from. Not wanting to sell myself but if I ever get things right a fellow dreaming friend would like to buy from me by the ounce and then him cut and sell as he sees fit. What is actual street price for gram, ounce, and other units that you guys sell in like eight ball?? also what would be a reasonable for said units if one were to sell to a dealer as I mentioned. Guys most sincere apology for the long post and most grateful for any answers. Really I know Im clueless and shouldnot haveeven done the curb shot but I wanted to screw up small batch and learn, I can afford to my pills are free for me and I2 and matches are cheap. ALso guys can you tell me what it costs you to make one ounce annie meth and your profit from that and also the same for RP and I2.THanks much fellow dreamers. Teach me I want to learn.

quote:Originally posted by jerky:

Started to cook it off and immediately saw blue+black particles suspended in water. This was the shit blended in my sulferic acid. Other than that water was clear until nearing the end of cooking down. I had no white or yellow crystals just this shitty dark stuff. Tasted it and it was very acidic.

My post will be kinda slow cause i smoked so much weed today. The cat is real delicate. So is meth. Did this^^ dark shit you said, was it cyrstals, little almost black ones that crackled when heated? Thats how my first cook turned out. Umm, what was your question? fuck it. my comments are as follows. You need to follow directions exactly untill you understand it and it and it and you know how it works. When you know how the shit works tthen you can change it a bit to fit your needs. yesterday i aquired more weed than i know what to do with and i smoked myself out of cat. So here i am smoking weed all day when i should be doing"other" things but i cant move. you need to clean the pseudo way better than that. the cat didnt work cause you didnt do it right. sulfuric is NO substitute for HCL. Once you get into it you will see that str82E is easy as shit and you CAN do it. You cannot live without that. I cant peck at this shit for much longer ill say something more intelligent than this shit later. bye

ill try to answer your questions in order,,,1 rinse pills in acetone--throw acetone away 2,,keep rinsing in acetone not dnh2o,,(psuedo is soluble in methanol and dnh2o so your losing most of your psuedo) 3,,you cant just extract the psuedo you must first clean the pill mass (try rhodium for a cleaning method) 4,,methanol boiling point is 68c so about 50c is good 5,,, it got gooey because it wasnt cleaned right and the red came back cause it wasnt cleaned with acetone 6,,,you do your matchbooks in acetone(check rhodium for method on removal of rp from striker pads) 7,,,im a bircher and havent extracted iodine but, once again rhodium has complete methods,,,,,,from here on you get difficult to understand but it seems your reducing psuedo by the redphos/iodine method not oxidising psuedo into cat????

Thanks guys for the rpelies, sorry I was not more clear on the posts.I was trying to say I TRIED to make the cat first and was diappointed with results so I tried for meth as i had a bunch of pills. Basically I just wanted to learn and had a good idea I would screw it up. Just getting started and now I see I must fall instructions precisely. I saw the old sights where they were just cleaning with Methanol and tried that. Obviously I should have seen there is a reason you guys are useing acetone. Thanks much once again,

Methanol used to work before shit like povidone, microcrystalline, polyethylene glycol, and other shit like that. Check out rhodium.ws' chem section to learn about the updated pseudo cleaning methods. Good luck.

Thanks so much fellas. Just wanted say I dreamed a beautiful dream not 3 hours ago. Dreams do come true my friends. Im so damn pleased its not even funny, Im new to this and surely no damn self taught chemist like some of you guys but damn I feel like a chemical engineer right now. Sorry to be so damn excited but wow I have now sweet success right here in my garage. Yield were bit low probably about 60% but Im learning still and still have LOTS to learn from you guys. If I dont understand shit, anything I try to learn whatever I can and man things on TOTSE just intrigue me.For those of you who actually help us newbies and give your time answering our sometimes good questions and sometimes dumb questions thank you very much. I wanna give props to all you regulars on here who actually know what your talking about and share your wealth of knowledge with us less chemically inclined fellas. Its funny how my friends used to do this shit smoking crank and I said no fucking way, I had an idea of the nasty shit in it but didnot realize it was nearly as safe as something from a pharmacy. That and I smelled some of their stuff and listened to them bitch about tasting Colemans or how there shit did not burn right. Now i realize that it does not have to be crap that you can actually make a relatively clean product from non reagent grade OTC supplies.If someone in my area actually could make this good shit here they could take everyones business cause from my understanding all the crank here is junk. Im just glad I learned how and why this works the reaction that is. Sorry so long a post Im just s excited. Oh yeah would some one mind telling the average cost for good product where you are located and your average cost to make said product if that is not being too nosy. sorry again for such newbie questions but several more. I am clue less to the lingo but is eight ball roughly 3 grams, here i think that sells for 250 butotherwise each gram is normally 100 dollars I believe. I understand an ounce is 31. some odd grams Correct and how much would anounce sell for. Also a rough idea of how much it would cost a fellow for the RP, Pseudo, and I2 to yield one ounce. Also where is it safe to purchase lab equipment and scales and is it legal to have lab equipment.How much cash for seperatory funnel as that will be my first purchase. Very sorry for so many questions I promise I wont ask anymore for at least a week if you guys help me out again. Thanks again.

Jerkoli

am 8ball is 3.5 grams. theres 8 8balls in an ounce for a total of 28 grams. if you dont cut it dont take less than a 100 a gram no matter how much they want. have pride in what you accomplished. dont spend hours and hours getting everything clean just to contaminate your work with cut. get my drift? people that dont cut there shit are a dying breed. if you dont cut you will become known for that fact and respected. when someone asks the price you say 100 a gram. if they say how much if i buy an 8ball then you say 350 bucks. if they bitch you simply say... hey bitch i dont cut the shit so its a 100 a gram wether you buy a gram or a fuckin truckload. they will buy it cuz they know its not cut. trust SWIM. he knows what he says to be true.

quote:Originally posted by jerky:

Yield were bit low probably about 60% but Im learning still

Jerkoli

Being a mewb, I'm sure your calculations were off a bit, but anywhere near a 60% return is excellent.

I'm curious as to the temperature and length of time of your RXN.

If your resourceful, you can make a half oz of anny for free.

Never had the desire to try redp

[This message has been edited by Orange (edited 08-21-2003).]