i know its possible to make mdma from meth.....here is what i hwaed tell me if im wrong.take chlorine gas and shoot it through a needle while droppin hcl drops then add some pool cleaner chemicals all this goes into your not yet gas dope ??? am i close?

sutteila, i do not wish to appear rude, but your questions are to the point of insulting the intelligence, commonsense would tell you if mdma was that easy to make then every man and his dog would be clammering for a pill press,,,,learn a lesson and learn it well,,,,if you have nothing to say, then say nothing

I always thought that you would be better served by not using meth as starter to make MDMA.

SWIL has never seen any synth claiming to make MDMA from meth. SWIL doesn't see how this would even be possible.

Although both belonging to the larger classification, Amphetamines, they are completely different substances. The MA in MDMA does NOT stand for Methamphethamine.

The real name for X is: 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine.

To make MDMA, it requires distilling essential saffrole oil, distilling Nitromethane, the wacker oxidation, etc.

SWIL would indeed try searching at Rhodiums, as it should prove that there is still yet to be any synth of MDMA from the precursor Methamphetamine. And in the process, it should give some great info about the synthesis of MDMA.

What's up, Sutt? You and Lord always stood so firm that MDMA could be made from meth, now your questioning yourself? Lol.

Lukky D

man i know that mdma can be made from meth....i was jus asking how and if i was right on some of the begging steps. =) man you don't know everything about chemistry so if you don't got nothing for as information to help please keep your mouth shut and don't reply to my post =) thanks bro....and anyone here with even a lil chemistry no how would know that its possible to start off with the precursor meth and make jus about all most any drugs from pcp,mdma,mda or glass even ice =)

right

I can find no data to back up such a ballsy claim.

quote:Originally posted by suttleila:

man i know that mdma can be made from meth....=) man you don't know everything about chemistry....and anyone here with even a lil chemistry no how would know that its possible to start off with the precursor meth and make jus about all most any drugs from pcp,mdma,mda or glass even ice =)

Man, do you actually know ANYTHING about chemistry? Man, if your so confident about what you know, then you should probably allready KNOW how to do it. Until then YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING!

Sutt:

Please just stick a cork in it. You should have learned something last time from just running your big mouth and making such extreme claims.

Ice is a completely different compound than meth, made from completely different precursors. Same with MDMA, PCP, etc.

Lukky D

lucky i guess your an idiot.....mdma has the word methamphetimine in it that means it can be made from starting with the precursor meth.....i saw a synthesis on rhodium for it =) soooo i know its possible

actually i remember you saying a while ago that you could easily do it and you knew how. in 3 steps i believe you said. do you ever stop with the bullshit? your a fuckin joke

*standing next to others laughing*

me to. hard to believe such a stupid fuck that wont give it a rest.

no i said that a guy that i know the one that came up with the 2 liter method said it could be done in like 3 steps after already obtaining meth.......acidmelt you know aswell as i know that its possible to make mdma from meth...sooo whos bullshitting? and another thing if the 2liter method is bullshit why want anyone explain chemistrly why it wouldn't work....cause we all know that you can make anhydrous ammonia from a gastank generator soo whats the difference in using a 2 liter???

Really I could care less I would rather smoke M anyday over E. But over the last 9 years I've had 6 poeple in 2 states (to my kmowledge had no links other than me) say something about the two being cousins or relatives of some sort and all 6 said "if you throw meth in the freezer before its meth and stop the process its 2 chemical components from being E." I've never seen it done (none of them had either )so its folklore as far as I'm concerned.

jplus

Suttleila, you are either one of the worlds top ten ignorant retards or a comedy genius. Why do I say this? I've been lurking around this board for a while now, I don't post very often, but just soak up the info from other's questions. Anyone whos spent much time here knows who's post to disregard (ppl like you) and who's to heed (Tryp, Pik, ect.) Most stupid questions/posts come from "one timers" hoping to "cook some drugs" in Dad's tool shed, who never return after getting flamed. The rest are either fucktards who can't tie their own shoes or just messing around seeing how much disinformation they can spread and how much they can get Lab Tips all worked up. At first I thought you to be messing around just trying to piss everyone off. I'm having second thoughts though, the things you say just can't be made up, they're just to funny. You make a very convincing fucktard. If your just pulling our chain with your ramblings, you should try to get a job writing for Leno. Either way- Fucktard or Wiseguy, keep up the good work your posts are always good for chuckle, I actually look foward to them.

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Sutt:

Why don't you re-look at the real name for ecstacy. I posted it not long ago in this very thread.

MDMA doesn't have Methamphetamine in it. It is an amphetamine with a re-wired methyl group attached to the front of it.

Try again.

Lukky D

This is for sutts!

Ice = 4-methyl-aminorex

Crank = methamphetamine (amorphous solid)

Crystal = methamphetamine (crystal lattice solid)

PCP = phencyclidine

Water = wine (if you want to die for my sins)

sutt, this is crazy. 4 one swirl belives u may actually have something to advise on someday, but u r so full of cutdown bullshit that no one will ever respect you.

swirl likes to expermint and try new and yes sometimes dangerusssss (but use your head and be safe)things as much as anyone. here is how it is respect your peers and they will respect you.

want X/MdMA go to dallas, that where the retired DuPont chemist live and "work". ldp is right if u where old enough to rem. the "real thing" was like this Md/MA, so yes ur r right in a way, BUT what ya have without that dioxy? Do u Know ye ha lets 2x our Meth as ldp said NOT methamp.

Meth, crystal, jib= birch it, rp/e/I (learning), phos(wicked) this is why learning rpi, aint that backwards.

And oh yea ICE only to wish swirl had that syn

pcp this aint the 70's no more(not at u os)

Know for a admint: swirl has a friend that has a M.S. in chemical eng. and yes friend is a helluva dreamer, any way u want it. well friend came to town visited his parents and stopped by swirl and he got to talking bout dreams and swirl showed him the 2Lt syn. he damn near shit his pants laffing so hard. knew what was coming when he got this look, lets try this, oh no said swirl but guessed it.

This is the truth swirl swears, from behind a welders booth we have on the farm with 4' thongs this silly fucker attempts the 2 Lt method and guess what; THANK GOD for the welders booth that fucking bottle blew 15' in the air with a fireball as big. Friend laffing his ass off saying cool a fireing meth bottle rocket. then he says lets try dumfucks original methodw/o the revisions, guess what! swim guess is that the h2o put the sob out before it reached 15' this one only went bout 6' in the air. Now this was crazy and the cost of supplies was worth it, cause coming from a guy that does these crazy chemical exp. all the time for a living with a major chem corp he said

"PLEASE 46 tell everyone not to try this 2lt method" without a welders booth as protection!

LATER !!!! !!!!!!

46 your a lying sack of shit man there is no way to make it shoot a fireball in the air unless your as stupid as lordmighty was his 1st time attempting it.....1st off if you add the wrong strips and then you add to much water yes it ignites the strips and shoots a fireball...but let me tell your stupid ass something....you will see while you have it capped off and you did add to much lye or water you will see lil fires ignite in the bottom of the 2liter...you will also see them put themselfs out!!! ok if you do it correctly and add jus a capful of water and a capful of lye man there is no way for any kinda spark cause you got your strips soaking in ether man your as dumb as they fucking come im glad you posted that cause you made you and your chemical engineer friend look like a fool....swirl fucked up 1 time doing this and added way to much lye cause he thought it would make for a better reaction and the most it did was foam the fuck up and swirl slowy released the pressure and it cooked the lye away man your a goddamn idiot i swear haha lordmighty did the 1st thing his 1st time man yall gotta be the stupidest fuckers i ever seen haha..........after his 1st time fucking up he knew what he did wrong and came out with some killa dope.....if its fixing to explode cap it off lol stupid fuck!!!!......god what a stupid fuck

ok then you post yoursynt to the tee about ing. weight and everything cause friend is coming over tomm for dinner and swirl will show him and if it works swirl has the balls to come on here and say it does. but swirl will still be behind the welders booth, prob this time with a fire proof racing suit on, hell lets go all the way and the helment to. lol

No shit u post the correct mesurements and this fucker will try it. swirl has him on cell right now and he is laffing his ass off. but if u post it and it works swirl will post and make apploigies this swirl gives word!

There is no practical way on earth to synth MDMA from meth, not with all the chemicals in the world, and even if you wanted to do it as an intellectual exercise it would be convoluted and extremely low yielding(<1%).

They are close chemically but that says nothing about making one from the other.

In fact it would be safe to say that no one, anywhere has ever made MDMA from meth.

ight 46 here goes...use 2 cups of nh4 fertilizer gotta be the kind with the sticker ok next pour in your pseduo then put 2 cans of ether in the 2liter next add 1 capful of lye then add 1 capful of water then put in your strips last............close cap shake and it will roll.........after 15 mins open add a tiny bit of lye maybe a half of capful..then after 15 more mins add it again...after 1 hour of total time filter then gas good luck and tell the truth with what you come out with..cause swirl has done it over 100 times and had fire eachtime =)

quote:Originally posted by suttleila:

ight 46 here goes...use 2 cups of nh4 fertilizer gotta be the kind with the sticker ok next pour in your pseduo then put 2 cans of ether in the 2liter next add 1 capful of lye then add 1 capful of water then put in your strips last............close cap shake and it will roll.........after 15 mins open add a tiny bit of lye maybe a half of capful..then after 15 more mins add it again...after 1 hour of total time filter then gas good luck and tell the truth with what you come out with..cause swirl has done it over 100 times and had fire eachtime =)

sutt, you wouldnt know fire if it bit you on the ass

maybe not wicked but i know what a headfuck is and i know when im geeking =)

quote:Originally posted by suttleila:

maybe not wicked but i know what a headfuck is and i know when im geeking =)

lol cant argue that i guess

Sutt, ya wanted swirl to be honest, well here goes!

swirl and friend (with swirl safley behind welders booth) done just like sutt said and swirl will give sutt this, it didnt blow sky high this time nor flame up. but it "rolled" and produced something. a med. gray cottage cheese looking substance. did it snow when gassed, NO, it clumped and fell to bottom of glass jar, small amount bout 2.6g.

did swirl try sample in bowl, hell no! but the shit is on its way to the longhorn, to be tested by friend who has all the right chemical stuff to do this with. as soon as friend does test on stuff will report his findings, swirls guess; unreacted psedo.

so there ya have it sutt, no slams, no flames just the facts as happened just as you asked. as swirl has said in past will not make up lies to make anyone (inc. swirl) look good.

sutt, if ya post things that work for you dont think that they will always work for everyone. post your syn. in EXACT order and amounts of things used and always state that even though it works for you that it could be dang. and not work for everybody.

See how its done, swirl has tried to be polite and do as swirl said would do with your syn. it may not have worked for swirl and friend but may for you and if that is the the case, great for you at least you get what you are striving for.

LATER !!!! !!!!!!

46 sorry for the rude remarks before hmm...swim has never seen grey stuff before only solid white crystals appear...and for as gassing it off...it snowed for swim everytime..this is not a method anyone can just do and make fire everytime..and i was told that when i was taught this method. it takes time and patience like everything else that you want to turn out excellent..swim has seen badass white shit fall and burned it on foil with lil or no excess showing up...which means clear as fuk......sooo swim has made fire that maybe everyone else hasn't played around with right....if you want good dope you have to mess around with amounts of each ingriedent...measurement is key in how potent dope comes out =)...swim can say that without a doubt cause swim knows that is a fact...if you measure right then you dope will come out right..time/measurement...i wonder how you got grey stuff..swim and friends have messed up several times using this method before swim mastered it...and has had white shit that rocked up when burned no melting but swim found out why and what the substance was....it turned into a salt and the reason for that was because swim used to much salt and the same hose to gas it twice...plz post exactly what you did step by step which exact measurements...then ill post exactly what i want you to do and i guarntee you it comes out fire =)

46 i would like to also post the yield everytime swim did this method and what the % left was....ok swim would usually use 200 60mg pills dollar general brand no coating and never ever flaked those....swim would come out with 10-13grams eachtime....swim could come out with 20grams if swim wanted to use more pills and a bigger bottle like a 3liter...........swim wanted a quick and easy way to make 3 balls and swim has found it...now swim is working on other methods like rp/i with ease =) when swim finds out swim will post that aswell............but i swear i have personally seen many people fuck up this method and still no one has came out with grey stuff.......i mean maybe less dope when finished than suppose 2..and even weaker dope but never grey =)

Suttliela: I think a more profound title to this thread would be "How do I make a bigger asshole of myself?"

Selective Friedel-Crafts akylation with some kind of side-chain protection??

Synth