Hey everyone swil is back! After doing searches on the net and around town swil has finally found everything swil will use in their next rxn or failure whichever it maybe.

first swil will use S to E to clean 15000mg of epherdrine hcl from gas station stores active ing are e and gauin. not caffene

ok then swil will add depending on how much e will return from the extraction we'll say 10e 8 lab grade rp 11 lab grade i2 and 10ml dh20 swil will put this in a 300ml flat round bottom flask with balloon on top and heat at 140F-160F for 30-36hrs the heat source will be a pot for simmering smell good through your house(looks like a small crook pot can't adjust the temp but swil has tested 3 times with h2o, oil, and h20 results are once reached 140 it slowly goes to 160 and stays for aleast 20hrs without adding h20 so swil thinks one can heat dh20 to 140f and then add if the water is evaps because it would take forever to get the temp back up to 160f)swil doesn't think this is hot enough for the rxn to bubble but is not sure so what do ya think? even if it doesn't bubble can the rxn complete over this time and temp?

also swils last attempt(its been awhile)the end product burned clear NO black or brown on the foil but swil doesn't think it was pure cause of the smell and not much high so swil wanders if you take the last attempt and try to extract it use ve s to e will this get the impurties out or does this not make sense(sometimes swil is an idiot and tries to hard)

Concentrate on sealing your only connection so that no vapor escapes, rather than try to calculate how much water to add due to loss. Too much water can extend your time far beyond your patience. Even if a couple of mls. sneaks out, you will still be alright. 140-160F is a temp out of the range Swigotta has experience with, but theoretically the reduction can complete at room temp (mid 70's F) in...I don't know.....maybe 6 or 8 days. So observe, as often as possible, the physical characteristics as the reaction progresses and let her simmer for as long as you can stand it.

If you have crystals from previous attempt, consider adding them to the new batch just as they are. If there is meth in there, the reaction won't change it and if there is pseudo in there, well, you know. I can't see how it would mess anything up.

Swigotta thinks I'm an idiot listening to those individuals who cook short and hot. Attempts to reproduce this method have all resulted in a product that is inferior at best when compared to longer duration at lower temp. As of early this morning he has refused to even listen to the lava lamp idea. That's ok, the details are too sketchy to try to duplicate exactly anyway.

Your post has given me a better idea. Maybe Mr. "stick with what is workin" will be interested in some progressively cooler and longer reactions. It has been theorized that the lower temps will greatly decrease the number of side reactions, thereby be much more forgiving in regard to impurities which will always be in OTC extracted precursor sources and have probably been responsible for more quality and quantity robberies than previously thought. The increased % yield S2E has blessed us with makes it easier to experiment with other techniques. I'm going to amscray oonsa. Hope to see detailed results in another world.

sorry swil knew that sounded confusing

when swil said heat h20 to add to run because of evaporation swil meant add h20 to the heating source not to the flask sorry for the confusion

Get ready to perform a super good A/B. You are going to score.

if yoere using a crock pot cook that flasc

for 48 hours or more and keep the porcelain

laced with water.

o.k. lets see what the fuck happened!

first swil followed the s2e just as it said and came back with nothing not a fucking thing. swil started with 600 pills containing active ing: ephedrine 25mg, guaifenesin 200mg and inactive ing: colloidal silicon dioxide, magnsium stearate, maltodextrin,ployethylene glycol 3350,providone, and stearate acid swils first extraction was very yellowish thick and sticky, then second and third extract was kinda clear and you could see the pm settle to the bottom so swil only used the 2nd and 3rd to do a xylene boil then filtered and rinsed with mek but nothing on the filter so should continue and do a xylene boil one the first pull? or just try different pills? also can swil use the pills containing acetominophen?

I don't have time to tell all I have to say. If the wife catches me now, well, shes been waiting a long time. I will return in 1-2 hrs. Yes, the thick yellow stuff. If its real thick in the iso/naptha mix, then add more elixir to it first. Xylene has no mnaximum amount. The more used the cleaner it is.

Don't use formulations with any kind of pain reliever in it. Antihistamies are ok. The allergy/sinus pills with 60mg. pseudo and an antihistamine is the best for the price, 24 for a buck at the dollar stores (US). Tombstones, or 120mg. time release with pseudo as the only active ingredient is the best (ironically), but they usually cost twice as much as the white 60's gram for gram.



OK miss, lets see if I can help. The writeup for str8 2 E is a whole lot wordier than it needs to be. Basically you need the elixir which is a 50/50 mix of VM&P Naptha and 91% or better isopropyl alcohol (the yellow bottles in auto section are 99%) dried with baked epsoms salt (the NaCl is up to you. It contaminates(?) the epsoms salt and Swigotta likes to reuse it.). The only stipulation is put the iso in first and dry the mixture not the individual components. Fine filter and you're done.

Check your calculations and be sure that you have the right amount of elixir for that quantity of ephedrine.

Something just came to mind. You are using the gas station pep pills. Are you sure it is ephedrine hcl or is it ephedrine sulfate or something else? I am not knowledgable enough to know if there is a difference in how the different forms will react within the elixir, but I will look through the files for more info. Maybe someone else will jump in and shed a little light. Many think that froggy is a dick, and maybe they are right, but he/she is not stupid. Also, there are many who avoid pill formulations with guaifenesin, but again I am unsure why.

OK, back to something to think on. If ephi hcl is in fact what is in there, then take the first pull and:

if you have already added the xylene, pool it together with the other two pulls. Heat the whole thing till its at least close to bubbling. Keep it stirred up. If at any time something precipitates, you will need to filter. Good, fine filtration is important here. Swigotta has a powerful vacuum system, so I am not sure the level of difficulty encountered in order to adequately filter without vacuum. Just do your best. Cotton balls are better than anything I know.

Now, if something does precipitate out, take a good look at it. Swirl it around enough to see individual objects. If they are fluffy and cottony in appearance and tend to clump up, filter this off and put it aside. Most likely this is crap. If you see tiny little rods that tend to easily separate in the solution or they adhere to the walls of the glass, then filter them using one or two coffee filters. Immediately after the solution completely drains out, move the funnel to a clean jar and rinse with mek(or dry acetone works just fine and is a hell of a lot cheaper). You can do this warm or not warm. Warm is probably better for better cleaning. Let these dry, they are probably pseudo. LABEL AND SAVE EVERYTHING. The more detailed the label, the better chance you have of knowing how to get any remaining pseudo out of it. Your overall objective with this stage is to boil off the remaining iso which will cause the pseudo to crash (precipitate) out of the solution. At the same time, those pesky inactives are tied up by the xylene and naptha.

Something that you might not realize is the amount of time necessary to boil off the iso. There are, of course, variables that govern the amount of time for this.

If you did short PM boils and wish to boil off the extra iso using a lower heat setting, it will probably take about 3 hours or more before they precipitate. That's at about 85-90C. Short wide boiling container is helpful. If you boil for a while, then let the solution cool slowly, you may be suprised in about 5 or 6 hours to find the solution full of spikes. Loosen them from the sides of the jar and filter (don't forget to rinse everything that you believe to be pseudo with mek or acetone immediately after elixir drains. When in doubt, rinse.). Heat the solution again and do it again.

I'm going fifty different directions right now. I wish I was there, it would be a whole lot easier. If you can, copy into a word program and move the parts around that you need together, it will probably help to leave the ramblings out.

If you did not add the xylene yet, then hold off. Heat the solution just like you would if the xylene is in there. Filter off anything that precipitates, garbage or not. Save this. When you get all that you are going to get, dissolve all that you have in your filters in some dry iso and heat it up a little to make sure it all dissolves. Then add as much xylene as you can afford. Well, at least 5X the volume that was required to dissolve the stuff in the filters and 10X will give you some pretty clean pseudo (I know I keep saying pseudo, but just replace it with ephi. when necessary)

See if you can get anything out of all of this and ask whatever you need to. Be as specific and detailed as possible. Its hard to visuallize your setup and working conditions, which limits what options may be available to help you more.

LABEL EVERYTHING AND DON'T THROW ANYTHING AWAY. The shit is in there, and you will get it out, just make sure you know what's in what and where it came from.

I wish I was less of a scatter brain. I really want to help, but if I'm confusing you even more, just tell me and I'll shut up and let someone else help. I won't get my feelings hurt.

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quote:Originally posted by loutre bottom mistress:

o.k. lets see what the fuck happened!

first swil followed the s2e just as it said and came back with nothing not a fucking thing. swil started with 600 pills containing active ing: ephedrine 25mg, guaifenesin 200mg and inactive ing: colloidal silicon dioxide, magnsium stearate, maltodextrin,ployethylene glycol 3350,providone, and stearate acid swils first extraction was very yellowish thick and sticky, then second and third extract was kinda clear and you could see the pm settle to the bottom so swil only used the 2nd and 3rd to do a xylene boil then filtered and rinsed with mek but nothing on the filter so should continue and do a xylene boil one the first pull? or just try different pills? also can swil use the pills containing acetominophen?

I may be mistaken, but that mix of ingredients sounds exactly like "mini's". The blue package or bottle happy purchased at just about any gas station.

SWIM generally sticks to those that can be purchased at the dollar stores except most often SWIM gets the 20 packs of 120's for $3.50. SWIM hates frequenting stores and becoming a 'regular'. Becoming a familiar face is just begging to get nailed. Another benefit is that about 90% of the Dollar stores don't have surveillance cameras. They purchase the cute little balls for the ceiling, but there's nothing but air behind them.

SWIM hasn't ever used those particular pills because SWIM had heard tales of their difficulties and because it wasn't cost effective.

SWIM did happen to run across an extraction method for pills such as those just recently in the past. It may help, it may not and SWIM wishes that they'd remembered to get the author of that particular recipe to give proper credit. The best of luck to you!

"For pills with 200mg guaifenesin and 25mg of ephedrine.

First the pills are finely ground in a blender. Next pour pill mass in a jar and pour 1 ml toluene for every pill used stir it for a half hour then filter and spread pm out a let dry. now put dry pm mass in a jar and add 1gm of lye to every 25 pills stir and slowly add isopropyl alky or d-natured keep stirring (add just enough to make a moderately runny paste) stir for half hour. now add 25-30ml for camper fuel for every 50 pills used. stir for half hour then filter through 2 coffee filters put pm back into a jar and add same amount of fuel again stir half hour and filter combine all the fuel and gass!"

Well, ok. Hey Ricky.....oops, I mean Flare (just a little lame wrestling humor. I thought of Rick Flare when I saw the name.) The only thing that sounds odd about that procedure is the addition of the alcohol after it has been based. Isopropyl will be miscible with the camp fuel (crude naptha) and I don't know how that will affect the freebase when you try to gas it. Overall its using a method similar to the str8 2 E, only it finishes with conversion to the freebase and pulls it into a nonpolar for final cleanup.

Miss--

I don't know, I guess you could get a way with that method, I'd have to see which other method it is most like and compare. That won't help you much right now, though. I would think that there would be plenty of dollar stores in the deep south. That will be the best place to iinvestigate.

Gogo, HHH would be proud to know you! Big Poppa Steiner, gotta be the largest biceps

I've ever seen! BTW, Miss Bottom, excuse my ignorance, but doesn't "Loutre" in French

mean otter? Just was curious.

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