Thanks for taking the time to read this...

Cleaning questions...

If i clean my product with acetone, could i put it in a filter and strain it with the acetone and keeping the filtered crytals, or drp it in and recover the top floaters, or set it in the acetone and dry the mixed product with the acetone...then use my visine or butane?

Sorry, just scared to lose my meth.

Thanks for helping

Lets pretend for a moment that I have a clue what you are talking about. First, if you label everything and don't throw anything away, you won't lose anything.

Remember that.

If you are speaking of rinsing your crashed or flashed crystals, then yes, give them a good rinse off with some DRIED acetone. Keep that rinse jar and mark it with an M.

There's nothing worse than getting your pseudo jars mixed up with your meth jars.

i to am struggling to comprehend exactly what your asking--gogo is correct(as usual)in what he says------yes you can place your product in a filter and pour acetone through the filter but its not the best way--to have it in a beaker and swirl it around then let sit for a minute is better---ive found meth to be very slightly soluble in acetone so keep the acetone cleans to a minimum(you lose between 3% to 5% each wash----and to have your acetone in the freezer for more than 3 hours before you use it will restrict the acetone absorbing as much meth but you will still lose a bit----keep the acetone and dry it on a glass plate and you will see what i mean---hope this helps--good luck

Now will there be meth left over or isnt it the pseudo. Im easily sidetracked, confused and in general screwed up mentally at tmes....

im sorry mate--"now will there be meth left over or isnt it the psuedo---please explain further

Unfortunately, this cleaning method will not help to separate pseudo from meth. If both are present, then both will be left in the filter. This cleaning method is especially good for cleaning out impurities that come over when you use a bit too much hcl when you titrate, thus overshooting the pH.

Well the first thing I was under the impression of was when we have the crushed up pill mix-powder, we need to get the glue, povidone, binders and other BS out of the mix. After that I have heard consecutively that it should be soaked in mineral turpentine spirits for 12 hours.....

oh shit im with you now---yourve got it reverse--crush pills to fine powder---then the turps soak--this helps disolve the glues and uncleave----filter---then do your toluene washes---then 2 acetone washes--the the extraction from the pill mass--then an A/B-- then do your reduction

So when you filter this crap after the filter what should the mineral spirits look like and what should be in the filter?

What I mean is after all the mineral spirits and powder have been soaked it will be put through a coffee filter setup right, then after that you will have the trash in the filter which I would just toss and then the fluid in the mason jar would be toluene washed?

ok ill deal with the first stage--the mineral turpentine soak---put the pill mass in a jar--and immerse it in 3 times the volume--as in if theres one inch pf powder--you want 3 inches above it of turps---sit for 12 hours--then filter--the turps will be slightly milky--and what is in the filter goes back into the pill mass for further cleaning

you have your crushed pills---you wish to unbind the glues and help uncleave the eph molecule from the povidone molecule--so you soak it in turps---throw the turps---keep the pill mass

So the crap goes out with the turps then? And the pill mass will get washed with toluene and after that washed 2-3 times with acetone? How about a part of the equations that I have read that calls for the post acetone product to be frozen, any feelings on that?

you only throw the turps away--keep all the pill mass--throw whats in the filter back into the pill mass----then wash with toluene---when you filter the toluene save whats in the filter and put back in pill mass---then do your acetone washes--only 2---(unless you have glutomate--which means 3 hot acetone washes)now your acetone must be freezing out of freezer---then you extract the psuedo from the pill mass---now this solvent goes into the freezer for 3 hours and then its filtered---then after filter you evaporate this solvent and theres your eph

So after the 2 acetone washes (assuming no glutamate) then you need to do an extraction via how….. .And when you mentioned in that last post about the acetone, does the acetone need to be cold for the acetone washes….

yes place acetone in freezer for 3 hours before use---ok extraction of psuedo from pill mass---get your solvent ( wether that be methanol or ethyl alcohol, whatever)if you have one inch of pill mass add 3 inches of methanol--mix vigourously, leave sit for 5 mins---filter and save methanol--throw whats in filter back into pill mass---repeat methanol wash 2 more times----now freeze methanol for 3 hours--refilter---now evaporate methanol slowly on low heat---always watching as the bugger burns if you leave it on to long---now the white crystaly stuff left at the bottom is your psuedo

Wow you are truly amazing. What is an expected yield as far as a %, have you ever calsulated it to determine the pseudo yield if you say started with 28 grams of pill powder?

ok mate, cant do it that way--you see on the packet it says psuedo ephedrine hydrocloride 60mg--so each pill has 60mg---lets use a 30pill pk of sudafed---this has 1.8grams--if you do it right youll get 1.3 grams--in the beginning if you get one gram per pack--be happy--youll get better

Shit I have been on a buying binge and i have 21 packs with each containgin 2.4 grams of pseudo.This means I will have 50 grams, should make about 1 oz, if all is well i suppose ehh...

are you doing with ammonia or with redphos/iodine

Ya nh3

ok this australian is confused--are you doing sodium/lithium and ammonia or redphos/iodine????

Ok sorry, the lithium and annhydrous ammonia method....

ok you should get about 30grams after the clean--maybe 35---and 26 to 32 grams after the reduction

Hey are there any other things that can be substituted for 100% turpentine mineral spirits or toluene?

theres mineral turpentine---and mineral spirits---each works well---------toluene can be replaced by xylene

mineral turpentine and mineral sprits are different---but both do the same job----and toluene can be replaced by zylene

As of now I have odorless mineral spirits and on the top it says premium paint thinner, is that ll xylene and toluene is paint thinner?

id be hesitant if its says paint thinner--spend the time and find menral turps--and yes--toluene and zylene is paint thinner--ive bought it from paint wholesalers

Kirby, this thread proves your patience. You are an asset to this forum. I'm going to be leaving soon. I hope to see you in other places.

hey gogo, why are you bolting mate--where are you off too---hopefully not 5 years at bumfuck pen--and if it is,,no you wont be seeing me there---itl be a shame to not have your wit,,,and theres only a few of us here in our 40s which shows how many get to middle age in this game--you will be sorely missed--take care and god bless

Leaving was probably not the best word, more like intermittent leaves of absence.

It won't be long until ch picks up enough momentum to start chugging out some fresh new topics. I need to go on over and see where I fit in. What makes ch #1 is not their search engine or archive files, there is better. It's not their layout or program, although it is excellent. What sets it apart from the rest is the sense of community. At chemhead you have friends, not screen names. It has recently begun to feel that way here. It wasn't that long ago that totse was teeming with deliberate misinformers, absolute idiots, and many, many jokers. There were very few who were curious and even fewer who had the desire to become more educated.

With no security, it always seems like someone is monitoring everything you write. I like to have at least a little privacy. I guess I do have a little privacy. That's why its damn hard to receive email. Here lately almost impossible. Forum mail is a wonderful thing.

I'll still come around and see how things are going, but if things get to rockin and rollin, time will be at a premium.

The wife don't gogo for the 5 or 6 hours a day on the computer bullshit.

ya hear what I'm sayin'?

yes i do--mines a bit more obedient and allows me free reign to create havoc where i like---can you post a link to chemhead id like to have a look at it--thanks

The thing I feel gives CH the most appeal for "us", is the fact that the focus or main idea of the whole site caters to the subject "we" are interested in learning about and the people we want to interact with...Where as totse branches down from topics we may not give a shit about, and facillitates the seapage of "undesireables" into our little slice of totse...Lab Tips.

Damn, all of that and I still don't think I effectively summarized what I think a lot of feel. Sometimes the words don't convey the expressions like.....blah blah blah!(I'm starting to feel like gotta does sometimes!...I'mma zip it!)

Kirby--

I am not at liberty to post said link. I'm sure it won't be long now until they are running at full power.

Shooter--

Rambling and ranting is the inherent nature of this beast.

ok gotta,,i see what you mean--if you can though, try sending it to frayze2002@yahoo.com

if you cant i understand

thanks mate