Does anyone here know of anyone that could make meth in the UK and if so, what chemicals might they use and how may they obtain them? The reason I ask is a friend of mine has noticed the distinct and unwelcome abscence of quality meth in the UK and, in attempting to procure the ingredients required to make some, they've encountered nothing but difficulty; even after much research. My friend sends his thanks for any information you could give him, especially UK specifc brand names and stores known to stock the required solvents.

i cant say ive seen a lot of brits answering the posts here--have a read down this pages posts and get back to us with specifics--have you done any organic chemistry before??

quote:Originally posted by morgan:

i cant say ive seen a lot of brits answering the posts here--have a read down this pages posts and get back to us with specifics--have you done any organic chemistry before??

I've flipped through pretty much every thread in the forum but have found no UK specific info. This seems to be a bit of a grey area.

I haven't done any organic chemistry before, no. But these are early days and I'm a very determined chap. If only a source of chems could be found, then the biggest difficulty would be resolved. Many areas of the UK, especially Essex; are crying out for Meth. And people are getting bored shitless of hash, coke & pills which are the main available drugs. From what I've seen, Britain appears to be a really difficult place to produce drugs.

ok--you have two choices then--do the birch reduction which is anhydrous ammonia and sodium metal or lithium--or the red phos/iodine reduction--there your two main back yard synths--the ammonia is the easiest but many swear by the red phos--check your area--see whats easiest to get--you may find red phosphorous and iodine crystals easy--or anhydrous ammonia and sodium metal easiest--your solvents--either way go to www.rhodium.ws/ (http://www.rhodium.ws/) and click on the chemistry page--read that--and get back to us

Doesnt the UK have strict regulatory laws on

everything? I'm not sure but last chap said toluene and xylene couldnt be found,

I would just get a prescription for obesity.

Hey Treefrig, you are a piece of shit and you will be found!!!!

Right... UK info...

Pseudoephedrine HCl 60mg tablets can be bought from 'Boots'. Either Sudafed Non-drowsy (Blue packet) or Boots now do their own generic 'pseudoephedrine decongestant'

Iodine is available from 'Countrywide Stores' in the vetenary section in either 2% or 10% concentration and in 250ml or 1 litre.

IPA, Acetone and MEK are available normally in 5 or 25 litre sizes from most printing suppliers.

Glacial acetic acid is available by mail order from photographics suppliers

I think 'Evo-stick brush cleaner' is almost pure xylene, but don't quote me.

HCl 37.5% is available from smaller hardware stores as is NaOH

H2S04 used be be available as proper fuming vitriol from B&Q, but I think the've stopped that now... Wonder why?

Synth

(Why do I feel I need a disclaimer to absolve me?)

Yep, EVERYTHING, even the pseudo is only available from pharms.

In theory, if someone were interested in making meth in the UK, he would get his RP from A*DA (35p for 6 boxes & very good RP), his pseudo from B*OTS (their own brand of decongestant tablets), his Acetone from an afro-caribbean cosmetics store (sold as artificial nail remover, or simply as acetone- check the bottle), IPA would also be found there. Spirits of Salts (HCL) & Caustic Soda from any hardware store.

This is all in theory of course & is only for entertainment/educational purposes. In no way does the author of this post condone the use/manufacture os illegal substances.

EDIT: Sudafed should be avoided if possible in favour of B*OTS own brand, they contain far less blockers, which would make them easier to work with & they don't need re-redding.

[This message has been edited by Masahed (edited 08-05-2003).]

quote:Originally posted by Masahed:

Acetone from an afro-caribbean cosmetics store (sold as artificial nail remover, or simply as acetone- check the bottle)

Caution: Most acetone sold as nail/nail varnish remover is not clean. The purple looking stuff you buy in Tescos or Safeway needs to be run through a condenser first to give you nice clear acetone and a flask covered in burnt moisturiser.

Synth

quote:Originally posted by Masahed:



He would get his RP from A*DA (35p for 6 boxes & very good RP)

Surely 6 matchbox strikers doesn't return a good yield of RP?

Sorry if I'm being thick, I've just never got RP this way.

Synth

quote:Originally posted by Synthorcist:

Caution: Most acetone sold as nail/nail varnish remover is not clean. The purple looking stuff you buy in Tescos or Safeway needs to be run through a condenser first to give you nice clear acetone and a flask covered in burnt moisturiser.

Synth



Very true, I don't think ANY nail varnish remover is pure 'tone. As far as artificial nail remover goes CHECK THE BOTTLE, if it contains anything other than tone, it is no good.

quote:Originally posted by Synthorcist:

Surely 6 matchbox strikers doesn't return a good yield of RP?

Sorry if I'm being thick, I've just never got RP this way.

Synth

Well there would be 12 strikers from 6 boxes! Given that the source is quite a cheap one, there should be no problem grabbing enough of them for a decent yield.

Can't be more specific, but I remember SwiM saying he worked it out at about £1.50-ish per gram of clean RP (not including solvents).

Iodine Tinc & peroxide (30 vols) are both sold at Superdr*g.

Just a quick note to say thanks a lot everyone for replying. You've given me a lot of good info to look into. It does seem to be a lot harder to find the required chems in the UK but you've given me and my friends hope!

quote:Originally posted by Masahed:

Iodine Tinc & peroxide (30 vols) are both sold at Superdr*g.

Bugger... Wish I'd known... Just got back from town.

Tesco's matches are just cheaper at 34p for 6

Superdrug does own brand acetone for 99p for 250ml (Superdrug Beauty Essentials, can't miss it, it's purple)

Now I can make RP for my fireworks...

Synth

Dude, the T*SCO matches are the dotted-type strike pads whereas the AS*A strikers are the flat kind, also they are the lovely marroonish colour that we all know & love. Come to think of it, I think they ARE 34p, not that it matters! Lol.

Excellent info on the 'tone... wish I'd known that!

quote:Originally posted by Masahed:

[B]Dude, the T*SCO matches are the dotted-type strike pads whereas the AS*A strikers are the flat kind.

[B]

Bugger...

However, Lidl do large boxes with flat strike pads on both sides (1 inch by 1.75 inch) for 24p a pack...

I'll work out some yields...

Is this thread turning into 'How to theoretically manufacture meth OTC in the UK for the least ammount of cash?'

Synth

quote:Originally posted by Synthorcist:

Is this thread turning into 'How to theoretically manufacture meth OTC in the UK for the least ammount of cash?'

Synth

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Yeah looks like it, but is that a bad thing?

Hehe, looks like it..

So on that note..The iodine tinc from Superdr*g is 30ml of 2% for 69p, but it's such a small bottle that it wouldn't seem strange to but 5-6 bottles at a time.

If one were so inclined, in theory, & with practise, it should be possible to yield close to & maybe just over 1g per bottle.

But in reality, who knows?

quote:Originally posted by Masahed:

Hehe, looks like it..

So on that note..The iodine tinc from Superdr*g is 30ml of 2% for 69p, but it's such a small bottle that it wouldn't seem strange to but 5-6 bottles at a time.

If one were so inclined, in theory, & with practise, it should be possible to yield close to & maybe just over 1g per bottle.

But in reality, who knows?

Countrywide stores.

Vet. Iodine at 10% About 8 quid a litre...

You know it makes sense

Synth

quote:Originally posted by Synthorcist:

Countrywide stores.

Vet. Iodine at 10% About 8 quid a litre...

You know it makes sense

Synth

Do you get them in East Anglia?

Most definitly it makes sense!!

Would someone need a license/story or could they just walk in & buy?

Thanks



[This message has been edited by Masahed (edited 08-06-2003).]

Countrywide stores are found mainly in the southwest and in Wales.

And yes, you can walk in and buy the stuff off the shelf with no problems whatsoever.

It's also a good place to get VAT free dog food (Working dog food has no VAT!)

Synth

Just realised (wake up masa!) . the BO*Ts decongestant capsules ARE NOT the same as the decongestant tablets.

The capsules are in front of the counter- they contain phenylphrine. The pills- which are OTC- contain the good stuff.

Maybe the clerk will ask 'ya wan't the ones with paracetamol?', the answer is 'NO'.

That's what I've heard anyway.

Is pseudoephedrine ONLY over-the-counter in the UK? I've spent the last day hunting through chemists and drug sections all over town to find every single one contains phenylephrine.

Yes it is.

Joy.

mr white, your post brought a few memories to mind of a time long ago when friends were in this for money---in a land far to the south, in a colony you sent your criminials to--they decided to limit sudafed to one box per customer(over the counter--never on the shelf)then a year later, in there wisdom they decided to demand photo id,took your name and address and wrote it in a register which was forwarded to the health department who informed organized crime squad if names appeared to often--none the less--the sudafed 30s box has 1.8 grams per box--a good extractor can pull 1.3 grams from that----with the price being $8000 an oz with grams running at $500---well lets say the problem was counting the money---but back to the story---teams of 4 were employed and paid handsomely, all they did was go from chemist to chemist, each member buying one box---they would do 50 chemists a day--4 days a week---when the photo id came in--false ids were organized for them which were changed monthly--there was a time when 5 teams were working--anyway--an average week saw 140 ounces hitting the street---after wages to the buyers of the sudafed, minders,and runners---the average week was a take home pay of $600,000--there were certainly times when everything came to a screaming halt through unwanted attention from the constabulary--but this carried on until money, land and possessions reached a point where they lost there meaning and retirement was taken--and never regretted--what im trying to say is no matter what they do--given the right amount of courage, ingenuity and care--staggering financial returns are possible for those willing to risk liberty and throw the dice--by no means do i advise this course of action---but if you do wish to throw those dice--do it for a filthy amount of money--and nothing more--goodluck

Is that $500 for a gram of meth? Shit man, I doubt meth could ever sell for more than £20 a gram over here; and that'd be for blow your bollocks off stuff. That, and the apparent lack of quality meth in the UK must be why I'm only in it for the dream..

most use steel down here for there chosen method, very few smokers of crystal(which confuses me, as im not a pick person)and uncut crystal is $500 a gram