This is my only contribution worth anything. How to make cat. For this i want to be known.



You need pottassium permanganate. Pseudoephedrine. Lye. hcl. Distilled water. NP solvent(colemans, ether, toulene,etc.

You will need 1g pottassium permanganate per 3g of pseudoephedrine. Mix in a jar the pottassium with the water. About 15ml water per gram pottassium. Add your pseudo and shake it up. Stick this in the fridge for 8-12 hours.

Add enough lye dissolved in a small amount of water for the pH to be 9-10. Test it. Add the lye slowly while stirring with a plastic spoon. when the pH is 9-10, pour in your NP solvent(i use ether). Use as much ether as water/cat. Shake the fucker hard for at least 4 minutes. Then put it down and let it seperate. When its seperated, suck off the top layer(ether) with an eyedropper or syringe or something and put it in a clean jar. Pour some more ether into the pottassium/lye jar and shake the fucker again. Let it seperate again. Suck off the ether and add it to the other jar with the ether.

Now you have a jar with ether in it. In the ether is your cat freebase. Pour some water into the ether and again, shake that bitch. Let it seperate. Suck the water out, or the ether off, so you have the ether alone. Throw away the water.

To finish, put half as much water in with the ether. Drop in hcl ONE drop at a time, shaking and checking pH between drops. Stop adding hcl when the pH is 5-6. Definitely under 7. Shake it real good. When this has been done, remove the water layer(bottom) and evaporate it. The remaining crystals are methcathinone HCL.

The pottassium permanganate, get it in a pharmacy. Just ask the pharmacist. I get it at London Drugs for 100g =10$

The pseudo from decongestants. Figure out how to extract it yourself. Theres many posts about it.

The lye from any grocery store as drain cleaner. Aka sodium hydroxide.

The HCL as muriatic acid. From a hardware store.

NP solvent. Ether, starter fluid(you spray it in the air filter of your car), autoparts store. Colemans camp fuel, hardware store.

Well, have fun!



[This message has been edited by poopeen (edited 08-06-2003).]

Hey Peen, is this a bad joke or is this for keeps!!

Couldn't you just gas it instead of adjusting the Ph?

quote:Originally posted by smellatron:

Couldn't you just gas it instead of adjusting the Ph?

Yes, it can be gassed. the way i prefer to do it is gassing the ether with the freebase in it, then evap the ether. And recrystalize in acetone. I do a methanol pull on the pseudo pills, then an a/b. Here in vancouver my cat is easily soold for 50$ per g. Its worth my time and im always wired/////shift

quote:Originally posted by poopeen:

Yes, it can be gassed. the way i prefer to do it is gassing the ether with the freebase in it, then evap the ether. And recrystalize in acetone. I do a methanol pull on the pseudo pills, then an a/b. Here in vancouver my cat is easily soold for 50$ per g. Its worth my time and im always wired/////shift

Can a dilute NaOH solution be added straight to the methanol(can the methanol itself be based) then extracted with NP,and back again.

or would basing methanol not be good?

Or evapp methanol add water base,extract. methcathinone is not relatively hard to make.

You see treefrig, insert a piece of 3/4" pvc

up your ass, then snake a piece of 1/2" barbed wire up threw the 3/4"pvc as far as you can, then pull the 3/4" pvc out of your

ass!!! Then ask yo mama and poppa fo help or dial 922, i forget

quote:Originally posted by stillbill:

You see treefrig, insert a piece of 3/4" pvc

up your ass, then snake a piece of 1/2" barbed wire up threw the 3/4"pvc as far as you can, then pull the 3/4" pvc out of your

ass!!! Then ask yo mama and poppa fo help or dial 922, i forget

LOL

i wouldnt add base to methanol. i forgot to mention to refrigerate the pottassium solution before adding the pseudo. and i discovered last night that it works BetteR using 1g pottassium to 3g pseudo. i changed "2 1/2" to "3" in the above directions. what+?'' theres somthing terribly wrongwith me/////shift

poopeen potassium perm is not sold in a pharmacy it is a water softner and also used to refine iron pipes.....i know that because i asked a pharmacist and he looked at me like i was crazy and told me that it was a pre-cursor and never sold in a pharmacy....but i do have a ?...i can make meth but i wanna try something new and i have never tried cat is it or does it almost compare to meth?????....and where could i obtain perm here if its not sold in a pharmacy???? or could i substitute potassium chloride or some other water softner?...i really wanna try cat to see what the difference is....but i do like a headfuck and a rush for 10 hours str8 soo is it the real deal?????? and you also said that i can gas it with sulfuric acid/salt instead of checking the ph right?.....Have you ever took pseduo and crushed it dropped it in some naptha and added house hold ammounia to it shook it for 5 mins let it separate then took the remains and drop it in some hcl? i was told that would make meth hcl but a not a real strong molecule???? i did that and i rushed a lil but i did not drop it in the hcl....and it didn't melt on the foil...any ideas where i went wrong?......thanks =)

quote:Originally posted by suttleila:

poopeen potassium perm is not sold in a pharmacy it is a water softner and also used to refine iron pipes.....i know that because i asked a pharmacist and he looked at me like i was crazy and told me that it was a pre-cursor and never sold in a pharmacy....but i do have a ?...i can make meth but i wanna try something new and i have never tried cat is it or does it almost compare to meth?????....and where could i obtain perm here if its not sold in a pharmacy???? or could i substitute potassium chloride or some other water softner?...i really wanna try cat to see what the difference is....but i do like a headfuck and a rush for 10 hours str8 soo is it the real deal?????? and you also said that i can gas it with sulfuric acid/salt instead of checking the ph right?.....Have you ever took pseduo and crushed it dropped it in some naptha and added house hold ammounia to it shook it for 5 mins let it separate then took the remains and drop it in some hcl? i was told that would make meth hcl but a not a real strong molecule???? i did that and i rushed a lil but i did not drop it in the hcl....and it didn't melt on the foil...any ideas where i went wrong?......thanks =)

Well, i bought pottassium perm in a pharmacy a couple days ago(.) If its a awter softener then get it as a water softener. Its hella purple and colors the water purple instantly.



As for that other thing, you went wrong when you tried that dumb ass procedure. That sounds to me like an a/b. You do know what that is right? It would have given you only pseudoephedrine(.) I am doubting that you have ever made meth, cause if you did, you would know that that would do nothing.

*sighs and shakes head* So, ill tell you what i know. Methamphetamine is made by reducing pseudo(ephedrine). It is reduced with hydriodic acid. Reduced is taking a certian molecule(dont ask me which) off of the pseudo molecule. Hence "reduce". When the pseudo is reduced by hydriodic acid, the hydriodic acid is oxidised. (hydriodic acid is what is made with the RP and I2)

As for methcathinone, it is made by OXIDISING pseudo. Oxidising is the OPPOSITE of reducing. Pottassium permanganate is an OXIDISER. When the pseudo is oxidised by the pottassium perm, the pottassium perm itself is reduced. I assume if you put pottassium perm into hydriodic acid, you would get an exprosion.

And no, dont use pottassium chloride or some other water softener. You could use another oxidiser. Such as pottassium dichromate, or sodium di(tri)(IIIIII)oxide. There is another good file about using chromates for making cat in speedy drugs. But chromates are poisonous to breath or ingest, and they need sulfuric acid to dissolve them. Too much trouble for me when they sell pottassium perm at the pharmacy.

I am in canada by the way. Ask your pharmacist what it could be used for medicinaly and tell him that you know someone in canada who buys it in a pharmacy.

And i suggest that you make a post labelled "what exactly is an 'a/b'?" Then read the answers and reread them. Think about it.

Aw fuck it, ill explain it to you. Acids and bases are opposites.They are directly linked to Ph. Acids are 0 or under 7, and bases are 14 or over 7. 7 is neutral. When they are mixed they neutralize each other, forming a salt. Pseudoephedrine hcl is a salt, as pseudo freebase was treated with HCI neutralizing both and turning pseudo freebase into a salt. Pseudo hcl will not dissolve in a non-polar solvent. The freebase will. The freebase is made by - put the pseudo in water and add a base, such as sodium hydroxide. The base changes the pseudo into freebase. A non-polar solvent like naptha is added. Since the freebase doesnt stay dissolved in water, it will go into the naptha when shaken. NP(non-polar) solvents(naptha) do not mix with water. So the naptha is then sucked off, it contains the pseudo freebase. Then any number of acids can be put into the naptha(containing pseudo freebase). The acid will change the freebase into a salt. Hydrochloric acid will create pseudoephedrine hydrochloride. Different acids will make different kinds of salts. If you used acetic acid you would get pseudo acetate. Hydrobromic acid would give you a hydrbromide. Sulfuric acid, a sulfate. And so on. Hydrochloride is the most usefull form of meth or pseudo. This all can be used on many drugs, such as meth(amphetamine)(cathinone), pseudo(ephedrine), cocaine, and just about any drug that is a salt(hydrochloride or other).

Sorry for the lack of spaces, i couldnt figure out where to seperate to form paragraphs. AAAAhhhhhh!!!! I need a smoke, see ya!

poopeen i can make meth actually its badass glass grade.........i know that psueduo reduces to epedrine by adding li then you add some sodium hydroxide about 45 mins 2 an hour later after it rolling hard as fuk u gas it with some sulfuric acid/salt....now for as potassium perm look it up on the web it will tell you that its used to clean aquariums or refine iron pipes.....i know you can you dicromate or any of those things but i need something easiler obtained for some reason i moved to pennsylvania and they don't seem to carry many pre-cursors like mississippi does =)....i could jus goto the ace hardware and get anything i needed there here it seems they only carry shit that makes your grass green not your meth clean if you get my drift =)...i have made meth hundreds of times but i wanna try something new i have even fucked around with rp/i i call that hypo not meth tho....i really wanna try some cat and see if i can make it as killa as my meth =)

quote:Originally posted by poopeen:

Yes, it can be gassed. the way i prefer to do it is gassing the ether with the freebase in it, then evap the ether. And recrystalize in acetone. I do a methanol pull on the pseudo pills, then an a/b. Here in vancouver my cat is easily soold for 50$ per g. Its worth my time and im always wired/////shift

it cost 100.00 per g. damn i wish i lived there

quote:Originally posted by pressurecooker:

it cost 100.00 per g. damn i wish i lived there

I sell it for 50$ per g. I just call it jib or crystal, or whatever. I sell it cheap cause i make it cheap.

I also found a source of ephedrine pills that have who knows what in them, but i pulled 4 1/2 g(clean and clear crystals) out of the bottle of 100 25mg. Heres the cool part, i pulled that with JUST dh2o!!!! 17$ per bottle!!

quote:Originally posted by suttleila:

poopeen i can make meth actually its badass glass grade.........i know that psueduo reduces to epedrine by adding li then you add some sodium hydroxide about 45 mins 2 an hour later after it rolling hard as fuk u gas it with some sulfuric acid/salt....

no no no no no!! Pseudo reduces to methamphetamine. What do you add your li to? Water? Please dont say yes to that. Im curious about this meth you say you make. Post your METHod here so i can ponder it. Include details(colors, smells, and such). I think i may have an idea what kind of "meth" you get, so post your shit for me. Peace

Hey Poopeen, Haven't received my 1 lb. shipment of pp yet, but am anxiously waiting

so to get started on the kitty cat. How did you pull the extraction with dh2o with the pills! Do your friends enjoy your product?

Peace and be safe!

quote:Originally posted by stillbill:

Hey Poopeen, Haven't received my 1 lb. shipment of pp yet, but am anxiously waiting

so to get started on the kitty cat. How did you pull the extraction with dh2o with the pills! Do your friends enjoy your product?

Peace and be safe!

My friends rather enjoy this cat. I pulled it by simply dumping the crushed pills into a jar with really damn hot dh20, shook the shit till it was just warm then filtered it through 4 coffee filters. I then evaporated the water slowly(12 hours). voila. I thought it would be filthy, but no, its beautiful clear sparkling crystals. I wieghed it, 4 1/2g!!!!!!!! I melted it(in my pipe) it evapped to nothing!!!!! Im so happy!!! And the potential yield was 5 g!! 4 1/2g! He he he.

poopeen....man i know several ways to make meth.... 1st way is to either grab a tank of annie or make a gastank generator from it using nitrate fertilizer and sodium hydroxide and a lil h20.....2nd way it to get a bottle drop in 2 cups of ammounia nitrate fertilizer then drop in your ether then drop in your strips of lithuim depending on how many pills u got then u drop in your pills crushed up that have already been soaked in ether or flaked then you add your 2 coke caps full of lye then add 1 capful of water.....tighten the cap and shake it for 10 secs then release the pressure slowly....every 15 mins add a touch of lye and a touch of water let it roll for 1 hr or longer depending on if the lithuim has broke up and you got lil gold bubbles and if it starts turning grey then u filter it 2 times and gas it off using sulfuric acid/iodized salt or hydrochloric acid and aluminuim foil =)

Sulfuric and salt alone? You sound confused. Or mabey theres something here i dont know(possible). Hmmmm aluminum and hydrochloric, hmmmm. That thing you wrote, was that the 2 liter recipe? With aqueous ammonia? Right. Ill try it some day when i got money to burn(right now workin on a block of meth{not really RIGHT now}). Oh im all excited now about the thought of the meth block Ill have.

Hey poopeen,

I emailed you a few questions about this thread. Hope you don’t mind answering them.

Jib

When you say 1g PP to 3g Pseudo, do you also mean 1g PP to 3g pure ephedrine?

yesyes

poopeen i found out that in some places pharmacys give pott perm for fungus;s not in the us tho =)

Can you make Cat with ephedrine instead of Pseudo?

quote:Originally posted by WannaBeChemHead2:

Can you make Cat with ephedrine instead of Pseudo?

Yes.

One final question.

Is this method forgiving as far as contaminants goes - if you don't get your pseudo or ephe cleaned well enough? What I would do is a standard a/b on the pseudo (which seems to remove most of the gack) and then another a/b with the KmnO4 following the poopeen method. Is that right? Most of the goo stays in with the based down water right after the np solvent has been added and shaken up forever. Once you syphon off the np solvent and then add slightly acetic water it the pseudo seems really clean. Is there any contaminants that can survive this process? Like wax or talc?

Wannabe

P.S. How did that block thing go?

quote:Originally posted by poopeen:

I sell it for 50$ per g. I just call it jib or crystal, or whatever. I sell it cheap cause i make it cheap.

I also found a source of ephedrine pills that have who knows what in them, but i pulled 4 1/2 g(clean and clear crystals) out of the bottle of 100 25mg. Heres the cool part, i pulled that with JUST dh2o!!!! 17$ per bottle!!

thats interesting since the maximum amount of ephedrine in 100 25mg pills is 2.5 grams. dont you wonder what the other 2 grams was? or maybe im retarded lol

Wow, fantastic point. Obviously it was some schmutz that didn't make too much of a difference.

I have abandoned all cleaning procedures but straight to E. All else i consider filthy and unclean. But yes i think your pseudo will be clean enough.