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MANY OF YOU HAVE ALREADY READ THIS BUT DONT CLOSE IT OUT YET, SWIM HAS ADDED A NEW PILL EXTRACTION TECHNIQUE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE POST. IT WAS ADDED TODAY 8/29/03 SCROLL DOWN TO SEE IT. THANKS TO GEEZ OVER AT CHEMHEAD.

Psuedo Extraction:

SWIVE is back with a new twist for producing clean pseudo HCL in high yields from an ever changing array of pills. It's not only water less like Straight to B, its simpler with no A/B at all. Its Straight to E or straight to the extraction. It is a simple extraction method that will bypass most of today’s modern adulterants and will return a very high yield of clean pseudo HCL. This can then be recrystallized or turned into free base to produce a pristine product. This method was written to be easily scalable and is very over the counter. Average yields have been 80% to 90% of clean pseudo HCL.

- Definitions -

In this write up SWIVE will use the phrase "for every box of pills used"

This stands for every box of 48 x 60mg, or 96 x 30mg, or 20 x 120mg or 10 x 240mg.

- Materials -

Three beakers or other heat proof glassware containers

(approximately 200ml for every box of pills used)

One elemeyer flask or other heat proof glassware container

(approximately 200ml for every box of pills used)

One graduated cylinder 100ml -200ml or other liquid measuring device in mls

Two 5" glass funnels or plastic fuel funnels

Filter Paper or coffee filters

Glass stirring rod or bamboo skewers

Hot plate

Small fan

Small scale weighing in grams

Safety glasses, latex gloves

Thermometer that is scaled to at least 120 C

- Solvents -

91% - 99% Isopropyl Alcohol (drug store)

MEK Methyl Ethyl Ketone (paint / hardware store)

VM&P Naptha - no substitutions (paint / hardware store)

(Do Not use Colemans, pet ether, lighter fluid, etc.)

Xylene (paint / hardware store)

- Drying Aids -

Oven dried Epsom Salts or Washing Soda (drug / food store)

Salt (food store)

- Abstract of Procedure -

Make extraction fluid.

Place whole pills into beaker.

Add extraction fluid.

Heat to boiling , stirring until pills dissolve

Filter while hot into elemeyer flask.

Repeat two times.

Return combined extractions to clean beaker.

Add Xylene

Heat to 105 (221 F) C to boil off alcohol.

Filter out pseudo HCL

Wash pseudo HCL with MEK and let dry.

- Standard Procedure -

01) For every box of pills used: combine the following solvents and

drying materials in a clean beaker and in the following order:

- 70ml (2.35 liquid ounces) Isopropyl Alcohol

- 70ml VM&P Naptha

- 02 grams of salt

- 04 grams of dried epsom salts or dried washing soda

02) Stir with a glass rod for a few minutes, then let settle for 10 minutes.

Depending on how much water was in the isopropyl alcohol to start with the

mixture will settle into 2 layers or 1 layer with damp solids at the bottom.

Why not use pre dried solvents to begin with? - that is perfectly ok if you have them,

but I have noticed that adding the isopropyl and naptha together almost always releases

some water no matter how dry they were ahead of time so I would not skip this step.

03) Filter this into the elemeyer flask leaving any solids or bottom liquid layer

behind and then transfer this solution into the second clean beaker.

04) Place whole pills in to the third clean beaker.

Why whole pills? Don’t I need to grind them up first? - no we are trying to keep loss

to a minimum and grinding is not necessary as the isopropyl / naptha mixture will

dissolve them very well.

05) Pour 1/3 solvent mixture over pills.

06) Place the beaker on the hotplate and bring to a boil using

medium hi heat. Use the small fan to keep vapors from accumulating.

Stir occasionally with a glass rod until pills have dissolved into powder.

Let boil for 1-2 minutes

07) Place a funnel with filter paper in to the elemeyer flask.

Filter the solvent mixture while hot leaving as much of the solids

in the beaker as possible.

08) Return any solids to the beaker and repeat steps 5 through 7

two times combining the extractions in to the elemeyer flask.

09) For every box of pills used add to the combined extractions:

- 50ml (1.69 liquid ounces) Xylene

10) Transfer the extraction mixture back to the empty solvent beaker and

place the beaker on the hotplate. Bring to a boil using the small fan to keep vapors

from accumulating. Boil until the solution reaches 105 C.

11) Using a clean funnel and filter paper filter off the pseudo HCL while the

solution is hot.

12) Rinse the pseudo HCL with a generous amount of MEK while in the funnel.

13) Remove filter and filter cake from funnel and allow to dry completely.

(no more MEK smell)

14) Weight and enjoy, yield should be between 80% to 90%

DO THIS EXACTLY AS WRITTEN AND IT WILL WORK.

NO SUBSTITUTIONS!!!!!

EDIT:EXTRACTION PROCEDURE:

Mix isopropyl alcohol(91 or 99%) with naphtha 50/50 and dry both solvents thoroughly with baked epsoms salts. Boil pills with this solution & remove from heat. Let sit for a while (30 to 60 minutes or more) Separate this solution from the rest of the pillstock & boil to 105 degrees celcius. At that time the pseudo will crash out of the naphtha & you can filter it with a #6 coffee filter in a 2 liter tea pitcher. Repeat until you've gotten 90% or better out. Each box of pills (48 60's or 96 30's) SHOULD net you 2.88g of pseudo for reference sake. BTW, the 120s only net you 2.4g.

This method is a modified version of VideoEditor's Straight to E.

RP:

heres what SWIM`s friend in the big city does.

take your 1000 matchbooks and remove the matches by opening the book and ripping out the matches and throwing them into a large box or bag or whatever. that will leave you with just the complete cover in your hand. you will get fast and efficiant at this with practise. be carefull during this stage, you dont want several hundred ripped out matches catching fire. dont have more than one book in your hand at a time. SWIM`s friend grabs ONE book flips it open holds it in left hand rips matches out, throws em in container next to him. he has seen people rip out matches drop em in there lap etc. and have 4 or 5 empty covers in left hand (which still contains the striker remember) and then next thing you know a book being ripped out accedently catches one of the strikers in left hand and WOOSH. if they are stacked in your lap you can imagine how bad it is. so one at a time only and dont stack em in your lap. when you are done you will have 1000 strike covers stacked on there sides minus the matches in the lil cardboard boxes the match books originly came in. 1000 usually fits in 2 of the boxes. next take your good sharp scissors med. size. (fiskars seem to be best in quality)now take ONE at a time and cut the short side off. SWIM`s friend grabs one cover in left hand holding in a way that theres 2 inchs or so of cover then the strike pad then a short inch or so of cover (the end where the staple was holding in matches) towards his right hand. cut off the short end right exactly on the line you dont want none of the paint/ink from the cover design with your strike pad. next cut it above the strike pad again exactly on the line. when you cut the strike pad off let it fall into a container by itself (SWIM`s friend uses one of the cardboard boxes that originly held 50 books) sure when you cut them you can cut 3 or 4 at a time but i will take the time to explain why you shoudnt. if you cut more than one at a time the others will move slightly underneath the top one and you will end up with part of the RP cut off on the bottom and part of the paint/ink left on the top of the pads the more you try and cut at once the more pronounced this effect will become towards the last one in the stack. try a few and you will see or better yet do it as SWIM is tellin you since he took the time to type all this shit out in about as laymens terms as he can lay it. like i said above with practise you will become very fast at this SWIM`s friend can do 1000 books in about 3 hours. now at this point you should have 1000 strike pads in front of you. SWIM`s friend in the big city now takes them and dumps them in a colander (one of those things you drain spaghetti in) bounce them around in there letting all the little pieces of paper cuttings and the little cardboard pellet looking things from where the staple went thru to hold the matchs in originly. you will see when they quit falling out of colander. now its time for the acetone soak:

PART 2:

if you are only doing a 1000 books take a quart jar the kind that the mouth is the same diameter as the jar. (skippys peanut butter jars work great)...(the necked down mouths work but its a little harder to get out your strike pads when they are done being soaked)put the pads in the jar fill with acetone to about 3 inchs above the pads. (( many say use dry tone (anhydrous) but SWIM`s friened thinks its a waste of dry tone since at the end the RP will be washed in DH2O (distilled water)anyways)) put the lid on shake the hell out of them after they have soaked an hour or so. let it settle for 30 min or so. now look at em you will see a layer of red powder goop on bottom of jar your pile of strike pads with blotchy patchs of RP left on them, and the tone will be maroon in color. take a clear piece of aquarium tubing put one end in the jar to a depth about 1/4 inch above the powder layer. siphon it off into a waste container dont bother filtering it cuz the stuff that is suspended in it isnt RP. its glue and shit. maybe a lil RP but not worth hassling with. refill with fresh tone and repeat. twice usually does it 3 times for sure.on the last time (when you see no more RP on pads)dont siphon off tone yet. SWIM`s friend uses stainless steel serving tongs to grab a small heap of pads swish them gently around in tone (making sure no clumps of RP are stuck in them) then remove them. repeat this untill all the strike pads you can see are removed. add a little bit more fresh tone and shake the shit up good let it set for a short. now you should have before you a one quart jar with a 1/4 inch or so of reddish/brownish goop/powder on the bottom and 2 to 4 inchs of medium to dark maroon tone. you will notice that no matter how long it sets the tone will not lighten up and still look as if it has some RP suspended in it. if it does its miniscule and not worth fuckin with. siphon the tone off into waste can again. pour a cup or so of warm DH2O into jar shake like hell let settle a few min. siphon it off and repeat four or five times. after that SWIM`s friend in the big city scoops it out with a plastic spoon into a small glass bowl and sets it on top of his monitor in the back where the lil holes are that vent the heat of the monitor. its usually dry in a couple hours. after that take the dry RP and put it in a jar and pour in muriatic acid to a couple inchs above the RP. bring it to a boil (outside of course)for 20 min er so and the rinse it with it DH2O untill youve ran at least a quart preferably a half gallon thru it. dry it TOTALLY and its ready to rock. another way that works is take the RP after its dry from the above described steps and put it in a 250 to 500 ml boiling flask. (or whatever is large enough to hold the amount you have and hold up to the LOW heat) for every 10 grams of RP put in 1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon of RD lye. add DH2O untill the RP is covered by a 2 or 3 inchs. put it on the hotplate (outside of course) and cook it for 2 hours on LOW LOW heat DO NOT let it boil and DO NOT let the water cook out as the lye will want to erupt if it gets to hot or runs low on water. the lye will cook out of the mix and the caustic nature of it will burn everything out of the RP that isnt RP. keep a close eye on the shit and add more DH2O as needed to keep the RP covered. wash it WELL with DH2O afterwards and you have about as clean RP as you can possibley get.

SWIM`s friend usually yeilds 7 to 10 grams (per 1000 books) of super clean RP this way. as its drying you should grab the bowl every once in awhile and gently mash up the large lumps as they are easier to mash up when its damp than when its bone dry. when hes done its all usually the size of pinheads and smaller. this may seem like a long difficult way to do it but trust me its not. the more you do it the faster you will get. typing all this seems more of a pain in the ass to SWIM than doin the matches lol... if you are gonna do more than a 1000 books do it in more jars or get a gallon jar no big deal. now SWIM hopes you two are happy and this was written in simple enough step by step laymans terms for you cuz its simple as SWIM can make it. SWIM would also suggest copying and savin this on your comp. so next time you see it asked you can copy it to the thread cuz SWIM wont do this again.good luck

Iodine Extraction:

Use per liter of 7% tinc 25 ml HCl (37%) (not critical, use some, use enough, a little more will not hurt.) add 500 ml water, add with stirring, one liter 3% H2O2

Or since you are american, a pint of tinc, a pint of peroxide, a cup of water and a shot glass of acid. Stir well, let it sit. Let it sit. Give it four hours at least.

Decant the fluid into another jar and rinse out the crystals in the bottom of the first jar real well, 5-6 times with lots of swirling. I filter through a piece of bedsheet and get all the crystals in there and mash real well, dry good, transfer to fresh coffee filters, put in a jar that has epsoms salts (dried) in the bottom, put a folder paper towel in, the sit the crystals on top. Try to dry the crystals as best you can to start..but come back and change the coffee filters after about four hours, the next day, etc...after two changes, the I2 is generally dry. If you react them still wet, use 1.5 gm instead of 1.2 and decrease the water in the reaction by 20%.

Leave the solution in the second jar, add about another 125 ml of peroxide and let sit until the next day. You will get another batch of crystals, up to 25% as much as before, usally about 10%.

Works fine. On a good batch you can get up to 50 gm of I2 from a pint. Usually you will get 43-46 gms. A lot better than the one ounce I used to get with three bottles of peroxide.

there you have it, the 3 steps to gathering your reagents for the E/RP/I2 reaction. copy it to your harddrive and all i ask is that you paste it into future threads where these 3 questions are asked instead of flaming the person or telling em to read and search. rarley will you see all 3 of these steps in one place so treasure it lol anyways special thanks to Geez for the I2 recipe and Video Editor for the straight to E extraction technique and to SWIM`s friend in the big city for the RP technique.

the old masters will prolly flame the shit out of me for posting this and making it easy. I dont give a fuck tho. I kno that all the old masters had to learn the hard expensive way of trial and error as I did but I dont see any reason to make it tough for others just cuz it was tough for me. so for those of you that are pissed all i can say is ... get over it and for those of you that this helps... rock on and good luck in your adventures

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here is another pill extraction technique that seems simpler and requires less chems:

Extraction Technique: Straight to Bee--The New Cure

A Universal Pill Extraction Technique

- Purpose -

SWIVE has only been doing free base reactions so his goal was to create a fast, clean method for producing psuedo free base from an ever changing array of pills. He believes this technique will accomplish just that. No pre washing, no soaking, no red removal. It's not a water less A/B in fact, it's just the B and thats why he calls it "Straight to Bee". It is totally OTC and uses activated carbon as a cleaning aide while exploiting the lazy characteristics of VM&P naptha. This method was written to be easily scalable. Average yield is 60% of very clean free base.

- Definitions -

In this write up SWIVE will use the phrase "for every box of pills used"

This stands for every box of 48 x 60mg, or 96 x 30mg, or 20 x 120mg.

In addition SWIVE will use the phrase "for every gram of total pill mass"

This stands for the total weight of the pills before grinding.

Text appearing in red denotes actions that should bee followed exactly for best results.

Text appearing in green denotes FAQS. (frequently asked questions)

- Materials -

One beaker or other heat proof glassware

(approximately 100ml for every box of pills used)

One erlenmeyer flask or other heat proof glassware

(approximately 100ml for every box of pills used)

One graduated cylinder 100-200ml or other liquid measuring device in ml

One pyrex pie plate (2 if more than 5 boxes are used)

Two 5" glass funnels or plastic fuel funnels

One 5" wire mesh kitchen strainer (dollar store type)

One 5ml baby medicine dropper

Charmin bath tissue (reg no scent)

Glass stirring rod or bamboo skewers

Clean coffee grinder

Hot plate

Small fan

Small scale weighing in grams

Safety glasses, latex gloves

Activated carbon, research grade (pets fart store)

Corn starch (supermarket)

Dry acetone - CH3COCH3 (dried with baked sodium carbonate)

Sodium carbonate - Na2CO3 (washing soda)

Sodium chloride - NaCl (salt)

Sodium hydroxide - NaOH (lye)

VM&P naptha - no substitutions (paint store)

(Do Not use colemans, pet ether, lighter fluid, etc.)

- Optional Materials -

Gassing setup if HCL salt is desired outcome

One Inflatable Lab Assistant

Six pack of Guinness

- Abstract of Procedure -

Combine Pills with activated carbon, NaCl, NaOH and Na2CO3.

Grind to a fine powder and sift through strainer.

Stir in acetone.

Add trace amount of water.

Mix until paste.

Add corn starch.

Mix until consistency of damp potting soil.

Dry completely.

Add naptha.

Heat to boiling while stirring.

Filter thru Charmin filter.

Repeat two times

Freeze filtrate.

Filter out crystals.

Convert to salt form if desired.

- Standard Procedure -

01) Weigh pills and record total weight.

02) Place pills into a clean coffee grinder.

03) For every box of pills used add:

- 2 grams of washing soda

- 2 grams of salt

- 4 grams of activated carbon

- 4 grams sodium hydroxide

What if it all won't fit in the coffee grinder? Process about 3 - 4 boxes at a time.

Why am I adding salt? To attract water and to act as an abrasive to aid in grinding.

Why am I adding washing soda? To act as a buffering agent.

After grinding the mixture becomes hot and doesn't sift well? Carbon sold for aquarium filtration may contain excess moisture. The moisture content will be apparent when the carbon is ground. Moist carbon will tend to cake on the side of the grinder, and will feel moist. If the carbon is moist, dry it before use by heating in an oven or microwave. Take precautions handling the heated carbon to avoid burns. Allow the carbon to cool before grinding or combining with other ingredients. Store any unused dried carbon in an air tight container.

04) Grind the mixture to a fine powder. Its important that we grind the mixture as fine and uniformly as possible, about the consistency of coarse flour.

05) Sift the mixture into the beaker using a wire mesh strainer placed inside a large funnel to minimize dusting. When grinding and sifting be careful with vents, fans and open windows so your pseudo doesn't blow away as dust. You also dont want to inhale NaOH or carbon dust. Let the dust settle in the coffee grinder before opening the lid.

06) For every gram of total pill mass add:

- 1.5ml dry acetone

This measurement will get you in the ball park. We want the mixture to be a liquid at this point, not a paste. Add more acetone in small increments as the mixture will go from stiff to fluid very quickly. Acetone used for this purpose should be dried before use, as the moisture content of acetone can vary over such a wide range that the only way to obtain consistent results it to dry the acetone before use.

07) For every box of pills used add while stirring:

- 3 drops DH2O (use the baby medicine dropper)

Why are we using dry acetone and then adding water? Since the amount of moisture present is critical for proper basing, and the water content of non-dried acetone is widely variable, the only way to accurately control the moisture available for basing is to dry the acetone first, then add a measured amount of water.

08) Stir with a glass rod for about 3 to 4 minutes. The mixture will slowly thicken to a wet paste.

09)For every box of pills used add:

- 1.0 gram corn starch

10) Stir for a few minutes. The mixture will become very stiff and the consistency of damp potting soil, with no signs of visible liquid. Add more cornstarch in very small increments if nessesary.

Why the cornstarch? The cornstarch is a great absorbent and helps to dry our mixture fast. When drying the cornstarch will keep our mixture from turning into hard little rocks and when powdered again keeps the mixture free flowing. It also will help absorb waxy gak when we extract our free base.

11) Spread out the mixture on the pie plate(s) and let dry completely. It will dry fast because the carbon has increased the surface area of our mixture.

12) When completely dry sift the mixture back into the beaker using the wire mesh strainer placed inside a large funnel.

13) For every box of pills used add: [blue]

- 35ml Naptha

14) Mix well. Then place the beaker on the hot plate set to med high heat. With constant gentle stirring, heat the mixture until boiling. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the solids settle out for a few minutes.

Isn't boiling naptha dangerous? Boiling any flammable solvent is an extremely dangerous practice. Solvents should not be heated over an open flame or on any apparatus that is capable of producing a spark. This includes defective or damaged electric hot plates. Adequate ventilation is required. This should not be done in a closed environment due to risk of explosion and/or fire and due to health concerns regarding inhalation of solvent fumes. The constant use of a fan positioned to blow across the solvent will disburse the vapor, reduce the risk of fire and explosion.

15) While waiting, make a charmin filter. Take 4 plys of charmin and fold three times to make a square. Fold that over once and then once again to make a quarter square. Completely wet the square with some clean naptha using the medicine dropper and place the pad into the bottom of funnel across the neck. The Charmin should not be "packed" or "compressed". Gently mold the edges around the contour of the funnel bottom. Wet it again with naptha and place this filter-funnel into the erlenmeyer flask.

16) Slowly decant the naptha into the funnel in small amounts and allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask. Don't pour in more than can pass through the charmin in more or less real time. If you make a big puddle it may start to crystalize in the funnel clogging the filter. The filtered naptha should be crystal clear. Free base crystals will start to form in the filtrate. Set the flask aside.

17)[blue] For every box of pills used add:[blue]

- 20ml Naptha

18) Mix well. Then place the beaker on the hot plate set to med high heat. With constant gentle stirring, heat the mixture until boiling. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the solids settle out for a minute.

19) Slowly decant the naptha into the same filter-funnel in small amounts and allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask combining filtrates. Don't pour in more than can pass through the charmin in more or less real time. Do not replace the charmin, continue to re-use the same pad.

20)[blue] For every box of pills used add:

- 10ml Naptha

21) Mix well. Then place the beaker on the hot plate set to med high heat. With constant gentle stirring, heat the mixture until boiling. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. Remove from hot plate.

22)Slowly decant the naptha into the same filter-funnel in small amounts and allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask combining filtrates. Then empty the entire contents of the beaker into the filter funnel and let drain.

23) While draining boil a small amount of naptha about 5 ml for every box of pills used. When all the liquid appears to have drained through, pour the boiling naptha over the filter cake and let it drain again. Then take a large spoon and press down on top of filter cake squeezing any remaining naptha into the flask.

Should I do a forth pull? You can try but tests have shown its usually not enough gain to justify the effort. Only do additional pulls if the end result is less than 45%

24) Place the erlenmeyer flask with the combined filtrate on the hot plate set to med high. Heat to boiling or until all crystals have re-dissolved. Pour the hot filtrate into clean pie plate(s).

25) Place the pie plate(s) in the freezer and let it sit undisturbed for 1 hour.

26) Remove the pie plate(s) from the freezer and pour off the used naptha filtering out free base crystals using a coffee filter. Let the collected free base crystals dry. Some crystals may adhere to the pie plate. Let them dry before removing.

27) WARNING: The remaining naptha does contain some additional pseudoephedrine free base. The pseudo available by titrating this naptha is known to contain contaminants, particularly polyethylene glycol. If you wish to titrate or gas to obtain this pseudo, you should be aware that it will require further cleaning by multiple recrystalizations. If you combine this pseudo with the freebase crystals in a reaction and have not cleaned them thoroughly by recrystalizations, you will contamination the reaction, your product will be contaminated, and your yield will suffer substantially.

28) If the HCL salt is the desired outcome, redissolve the free base crystals in fresh non polar solvent and gas or titrate. Do Not gas the original Naptha. If you gas the original naptha you will pick up unwanted contaminants. You may alternatively move the free base crystals into a small quantity of dH2O and add HCl drop wise with stirring until the free base crystals all dissolve. Evaporate over low heat until this alligators over, then flash with dry acetone. Filter the acetone and pseudoehphedrine HCL though a coffee filter, rinse with acetone, allow to dry.

- Calculating Yield -

When calculating your yield remember to adjust for free base.

Psuedo HCl is about 202gr per mole and psuedo free base is about 166gr per mole.

So 166 divided by 202 is a ratio of 0.82 So potential yield from 1 box of 120's

would be 20 x 120 x 0.82 = 1.9 grams free base vs 2.4 grams for psuedo HCL.

- Advantages and Disadvantages -

The technique should be, for the near future, virtually universal. It should successfully extract most pseudoephedrine pills. The materials are easily available and draw less attention than xylene and tolulene purchases. Yields should range in the sixty percent range. The pseudoephedrine so obtained will be very clean--characteristic of A/B extractions of pseudoephedrine. The main disadvantage is heating a flamable solvent.

- Acknowledgements -

Created in a dream by SWIVE. This would not of been possible without the fearless contributions of many bees and the invaluable database we call the Hive. A special thanks goes to the Geezmeister, MnkyBoy77 and Scottydog for donating their time, wisdom and valuable precursors to field test this technique.

Known to be effective with the following pills:

30 mg pseudoephedrine, Sudafed and Perrigo

Actifed

Perrigo 60 mg with tripolidine

Allerfrim

Sudafed 120 and 240 Time Release

Perrigo 120 Time Release

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Wow! Wicked!!

Gots to give you props on your effort on your comprehensive post here Bro.

Concise and comprehensive minus the anal-retentive manerism so many folks tend to go off on a rant when posting such a thing as this above.

Kudos! And good effort!!

And yes folks this here thread is for informational purposes only so please keep your replies third person and on the theorectical.

hehe.....lol!!

Cheers!!.....and for all you do.....this Buds for you!

thanks Jam means alot commin from a well respected member of several different forums

Excellent post Rain, Swiwr cuts thru the B.S.

and it's always good to have information from

an excellent source such as Swiwr!!!

i am bumping this since another pill extraction technique has been added to the above post by SWIM it was added today, 8/29/03

nice post bro .

quote:Originally posted by pikk:

nice post bro .

thanks pikk, you guys over at chemhead made most of it possible tho. so... thank you!!!

especially pikk, acidmelt, geez and videoeditor. just to name a few off the top of my head. im sure with my one brain cell i missed many that contributed greatly to the above methods but that makes me no less thankfull to you all.



[This message has been edited by Wicked_Rain (edited 08-30-2003).]

quote:Originally posted by Wicked_Rain:

Neither the author of this post, nor this website or its owners advocate the use, manufacture or sale of any controlled substance. All posts are for information and entertainment purposes only, and should not be considered meaningful.

MANY OF YOU HAVE ALREADY READ THIS BUT DONT CLOSE IT OUT YET, SWIM HAS ADDED A NEW PILL EXTRACTION TECHNIQUE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE POST. IT WAS ADDED TODAY 8/29/03 SCROLL DOWN TO SEE IT. THANKS TO GEEZ OVER AT CHEMHEAD.

Psuedo Extraction:

SWIVE is back with a new twist for producing clean pseudo HCL in high yields from an ever changing array of pills. It's not only water less like Straight to B, its simpler with no A/B at all. Its Straight to E or straight to the extraction. It is a simple extraction method that will bypass most of today’s modern adulterants and will return a very high yield of clean pseudo HCL. This can then be recrystallized or turned into free base to produce a pristine product. This method was written to be easily scalable and is very over the counter. Average yields have been 80% to 90% of clean pseudo HCL.

- Definitions -

In this write up SWIVE will use the phrase "for every box of pills used"

This stands for every box of 48 x 60mg, or 96 x 30mg, or 20 x 120mg or 10 x 240mg.

- Materials -

Three beakers or other heat proof glassware containers

(approximately 200ml for every box of pills used)

One elemeyer flask or other heat proof glassware container

(approximately 200ml for every box of pills used)

One graduated cylinder 100ml -200ml or other liquid measuring device in mls

Two 5" glass funnels or plastic fuel funnels

Filter Paper or coffee filters

Glass stirring rod or bamboo skewers

Hot plate

Small fan

Small scale weighing in grams

Safety glasses, latex gloves

Thermometer that is scaled to at least 120 C

- Solvents -

91% - 99% Isopropyl Alcohol (drug store)

MEK Methyl Ethyl Ketone (paint / hardware store)

VM&P Naptha - no substitutions (paint / hardware store)

(Do Not use Colemans, pet ether, lighter fluid, etc.)

Xylene (paint / hardware store)

- Drying Aids -

Oven dried Epsom Salts or Washing Soda (drug / food store)

Salt (food store)

- Abstract of Procedure -

Make extraction fluid.

Place whole pills into beaker.

Add extraction fluid.

Heat to boiling , stirring until pills dissolve

Filter while hot into elemeyer flask.

Repeat two times.

Return combined extractions to clean beaker.

Add Xylene

Heat to 105 (221 F) C to boil off alcohol.

Filter out pseudo HCL

Wash pseudo HCL with MEK and let dry.

- Standard Procedure -

01) For every box of pills used: combine the following solvents and

drying materials in a clean beaker and in the following order:

- 70ml (2.35 liquid ounces) Isopropyl Alcohol

- 70ml VM&P Naptha

- 02 grams of salt

- 04 grams of dried epsom salts or dried washing soda

02) Stir with a glass rod for a few minutes, then let settle for 10 minutes.

Depending on how much water was in the isopropyl alcohol to start with the

mixture will settle into 2 layers or 1 layer with damp solids at the bottom.

Why not use pre dried solvents to begin with? - that is perfectly ok if you have them,

but I have noticed that adding the isopropyl and naptha together almost always releases

some water no matter how dry they were ahead of time so I would not skip this step.

03) Filter this into the elemeyer flask leaving any solids or bottom liquid layer

behind and then transfer this solution into the second clean beaker.

04) Place whole pills in to the third clean beaker.

Why whole pills? Don’t I need to grind them up first? - no we are trying to keep loss

to a minimum and grinding is not necessary as the isopropyl / naptha mixture will

dissolve them very well.

05) Pour 1/3 solvent mixture over pills.

06) Place the beaker on the hotplate and bring to a boil using

medium hi heat. Use the small fan to keep vapors from accumulating.

Stir occasionally with a glass rod until pills have dissolved into powder.

Let boil for 1-2 minutes

07) Place a funnel with filter paper in to the elemeyer flask.

Filter the solvent mixture while hot leaving as much of the solids

in the beaker as possible.

08) Return any solids to the beaker and repeat steps 5 through 7

two times combining the extractions in to the elemeyer flask.

09) For every box of pills used add to the combined extractions:

- 50ml (1.69 liquid ounces) Xylene

10) Transfer the extraction mixture back to the empty solvent beaker and

place the beaker on the hotplate. Bring to a boil using the small fan to keep vapors

from accumulating. Boil until the solution reaches 105 C.

11) Using a clean funnel and filter paper filter off the pseudo HCL while the

solution is hot.

12) Rinse the pseudo HCL with a generous amount of MEK while in the funnel.

13) Remove filter and filter cake from funnel and allow to dry completely.

(no more MEK smell)

14) Weight and enjoy, yield should be between 80% to 90%

DO THIS EXACTLY AS WRITTEN AND IT WILL WORK.

NO SUBSTITUTIONS!!!!!

EDIT:EXTRACTION PROCEDURE:

Mix isopropyl alcohol(91 or 99%) with naphtha 50/50 and dry both solvents thoroughly with baked epsoms salts. Boil pills with this solution & remove from heat. Let sit for a while (30 to 60 minutes or more) Separate this solution from the rest of the pillstock & boil to 105 degrees celcius. At that time the pseudo will crash out of the naphtha & you can filter it with a #6 coffee filter in a 2 liter tea pitcher. Repeat until you've gotten 90% or better out. Each box of pills (48 60's or 96 30's) SHOULD net you 2.88g of pseudo for reference sake. BTW, the 120s only net you 2.4g.

This method is a modified version of VideoEditor's Straight to E.

RP:

heres what SWIM`s friend in the big city does.

take your 1000 matchbooks and remove the matches by opening the book and ripping out the matches and throwing them into a large box or bag or whatever. that will leave you with just the complete cover in your hand. you will get fast and efficiant at this with practise. be carefull during this stage, you dont want several hundred ripped out matches catching fire. dont have more than one book in your hand at a time. SWIM`s friend grabs ONE book flips it open holds it in left hand rips matches out, throws em in container next to him. he has seen people rip out matches drop em in there lap etc. and have 4 or 5 empty covers in left hand (which still contains the striker remember) and then next thing you know a book being ripped out accedently catches one of the strikers in left hand and WOOSH. if they are stacked in your lap you can imagine how bad it is. so one at a time only and dont stack em in your lap. when you are done you will have 1000 strike covers stacked on there sides minus the matches in the lil cardboard boxes the match books originly came in. 1000 usually fits in 2 of the boxes. next take your good sharp scissors med. size. (fiskars seem to be best in quality)now take ONE at a time and cut the short side off. SWIM`s friend grabs one cover in left hand holding in a way that theres 2 inchs or so of cover then the strike pad then a short inch or so of cover (the end where the staple was holding in matches) towards his right hand. cut off the short end right exactly on the line you dont want none of the paint/ink from the cover design with your strike pad. next cut it above the strike pad again exactly on the line. when you cut the strike pad off let it fall into a container by itself (SWIM`s friend uses one of the cardboard boxes that originly held 50 books) sure when you cut them you can cut 3 or 4 at a time but i will take the time to explain why you shoudnt. if you cut more than one at a time the others will move slightly underneath the top one and you will end up with part of the RP cut off on the bottom and part of the paint/ink left on the top of the pads the more you try and cut at once the more pronounced this effect will become towards the last one in the stack. try a few and you will see or better yet do it as SWIM is tellin you since he took the time to type all this shit out in about as laymens terms as he can lay it. like i said above with practise you will become very fast at this SWIM`s friend can do 1000 books in about 3 hours. now at this point you should have 1000 strike pads in front of you. SWIM`s friend in the big city now takes them and dumps them in a colander (one of those things you drain spaghetti in) bounce them around in there letting all the little pieces of paper cuttings and the little cardboard pellet looking things from where the staple went thru to hold the matchs in originly. you will see when they quit falling out of colander. now its time for the acetone soak:

PART 2:

if you are only doing a 1000 books take a quart jar the kind that the mouth is the same diameter as the jar. (skippys peanut butter jars work great)...(the necked down mouths work but its a little harder to get out your strike pads when they are done being soaked)put the pads in the jar fill with acetone to about 3 inchs above the pads. (( many say use dry tone (anhydrous) but SWIM`s friened thinks its a waste of dry tone since at the end the RP will be washed in DH2O (distilled water)anyways)) put the lid on shake the hell out of them after they have soaked an hour or so. let it settle for 30 min or so. now look at em you will see a layer of red powder goop on bottom of jar your pile of strike pads with blotchy patchs of RP left on them, and the tone will be maroon in color. take a clear piece of aquarium tubing put one end in the jar to a depth about 1/4 inch above the powder layer. siphon it off into a waste container dont bother filtering it cuz the stuff that is suspended in it isnt RP. its glue and shit. maybe a lil RP but not worth hassling with. refill with fresh tone and repeat. twice usually does it 3 times for sure.on the last time (when you see no more RP on pads)dont siphon off tone yet. SWIM`s friend uses stainless steel serving tongs to grab a small heap of pads swish them gently around in tone (making sure no clumps of RP are stuck in them) then remove them. repeat this untill all the strike pads you can see are removed. add a little bit more fresh tone and shake the shit up good let it set for a short. now you should have before you a one quart jar with a 1/4 inch or so of reddish/brownish goop/powder on the bottom and 2 to 4 inchs of medium to dark maroon tone. you will notice that no matter how long it sets the tone will not lighten up and still look as if it has some RP suspended in it. if it does its miniscule and not worth fuckin with. siphon the tone off into waste can again. pour a cup or so of warm DH2O into jar shake like hell let settle a few min. siphon it off and repeat four or five times. after that SWIM`s friend in the big city scoops it out with a plastic spoon into a small glass bowl and sets it on top of his monitor in the back where the lil holes are that vent the heat of the monitor. its usually dry in a couple hours. SWIM`s friend usually yeilds 7 to 10 grams (per 1000 books) of super clean RP this way. as its drying you should grab the bowl every once in awhile and gently mash up the large lumps as they are easier to mash up when its damp than when its bone dry. when hes done its all usually the size of pinheads and smaller. this may seem like a long difficult way to do it but trust me its not. the more you do it the faster you will get. typing all this seems more of a pain in the ass to SWIM than doin the matches lol... if you are gonna do more than a 1000 books do it in more jars or get a gallon jar no big deal. now SWIM hopes you two are happy and this was written in simple enough step by step laymans terms for you cuz its simple as SWIM can make it. SWIM would also suggest copying and savin this on your comp. so next time you see it asked you can copy it to the thread cuz SWIM wont do this again.good luck

Iodine Extraction:

Use per liter of 7% tinc 25 ml HCl (37%) (not critical, use some, use enough, a little more will not hurt.) add 500 ml water, add with stirring, one liter 3% H2O2

Or since you are american, a pint of tinc, a pint of peroxide, a cup of water and a shot glass of acid. Stir well, let it sit. Let it sit. Give it four hours at least.

Decant the fluid into another jar and rinse out the crystals in the bottom of the first jar real well, 5-6 times with lots of swirling. I filter through a piece of bedsheet and get all the crystals in there and mash real well, dry good, transfer to fresh coffee filters, put in a jar that has epsoms salts (dried) in the bottom, put a folder paper towel in, the sit the crystals on top. Try to dry the crystals as best you can to start..but come back and change the coffee filters after about four hours, the next day, etc...after two changes, the I2 is generally dry. If you react them still wet, use 1.5 gm instead of 1.2 and decrease the water in the reaction by 20%.

Leave the solution in the second jar, add about another 125 ml of peroxide and let sit until the next day. You will get another batch of crystals, up to 25% as much as before, usally about 10%.

Works fine. On a good batch you can get up to 50 gm of I2 from a pint. Usually you will get 43-46 gms. A lot better than the one ounce I used to get with three bottles of peroxide.

there you have it, the 3 steps to gathering your reagents for the E/RP/I2 reaction. copy it to your harddrive and all i ask is that you paste it into future threads where these 3 questions are asked instead of flaming the person or telling em to read and search. rarley will you see all 3 of these steps in one place so treasure it lol anyways special thanks to Geez for the I2 recipe and Video Editor for the straight to E extraction technique and to SWIM`s friend in the big city for the RP technique.

the old masters will prolly flame the shit out of me for posting this and making it easy. I dont give a fuck tho. I kno that all the old masters had to learn the hard expensive way of trial and error as I did but I dont see any reason to make it tough for others just cuz it was tough for me. so for those of you that are pissed all i can say is ... get over it and for those of you that this helps... rock on and good luck in your adventures

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here is another pill extraction technique that seems simpler and requires less chems:

Extraction Technique: Straight to Bee--The New Cure

A Universal Pill Extraction Technique

- Purpose -

SWIVE has only been doing free base reactions so his goal was to create a fast, clean method for producing psuedo free base from an ever changing array of pills. He believes this technique will accomplish just that. No pre washing, no soaking, no red removal. It's not a water less A/B in fact, it's just the B and thats why he calls it "Straight to Bee". It is totally OTC and uses activated carbon as a cleaning aide while exploiting the lazy characteristics of VM&P naptha. This method was written to be easily scalable. Average yield is 60% of very clean free base.

- Definitions -

In this write up SWIVE will use the phrase "for every box of pills used"

This stands for every box of 48 x 60mg, or 96 x 30mg, or 20 x 120mg.

In addition SWIVE will use the phrase "for every gram of total pill mass"

This stands for the total weight of the pills before grinding.

Text appearing in red denotes actions that should bee followed exactly for best results.

Text appearing in green denotes FAQS. (frequently asked questions)

- Materials -

One beaker or other heat proof glassware

(approximately 100ml for every box of pills used)

One erlenmeyer flask or other heat proof glassware

(approximately 100ml for every box of pills used)

One graduated cylinder 100-200ml or other liquid measuring device in ml

One pyrex pie plate (2 if more than 5 boxes are used)

Two 5" glass funnels or plastic fuel funnels

One 5" wire mesh kitchen strainer (dollar store type)

One 5ml baby medicine dropper

Charmin bath tissue (reg no scent)

Glass stirring rod or bamboo skewers

Clean coffee grinder

Hot plate

Small fan

Small scale weighing in grams

Safety glasses, latex gloves

Activated carbon, research grade (pets fart store)

Corn starch (supermarket)

Dry acetone - CH3COCH3 (dried with baked sodium carbonate)

Sodium carbonate - Na2CO3 (washing soda)

Sodium chloride - NaCl (salt)

Sodium hydroxide - NaOH (lye)

VM&P naptha - no substitutions (paint store)

(Do Not use colemans, pet ether, lighter fluid, etc.)

- Optional Materials -

Gassing setup if HCL salt is desired outcome

One Inflatable Lab Assistant

Six pack of Guinness

- Abstract of Procedure -

Combine Pills with activated carbon, NaCl, NaOH and Na2CO3.

Grind to a fine powder and sift through strainer.

Stir in acetone.

Add trace amount of water.

Mix until paste.

Add corn starch.

Mix until consistency of damp potting soil.

Dry completely.

Add naptha.

Heat to boiling while stirring.

Filter thru Charmin filter.

Repeat two times

Freeze filtrate.

Filter out crystals.

Convert to salt form if desired.

- Standard Procedure -

01) Weigh pills and record total weight.

02) Place pills into a clean coffee grinder.

03) For every box of pills used add:

- 2 grams of washing soda

- 2 grams of salt

- 4 grams of activated carbon

- 4 grams sodium hydroxide

What if it all won't fit in the coffee grinder? Process about 3 - 4 boxes at a time.

Why am I adding salt? To attract water and to act as an abrasive to aid in grinding.

Why am I adding washing soda? To act as a buffering agent.

After grinding the mixture becomes hot and doesn't sift well? Carbon sold for aquarium filtration may contain excess moisture. The moisture content will be apparent when the carbon is ground. Moist carbon will tend to cake on the side of the grinder, and will feel moist. If the carbon is moist, dry it before use by heating in an oven or microwave. Take precautions handling the heated carbon to avoid burns. Allow the carbon to cool before grinding or combining with other ingredients. Store any unused dried carbon in an air tight container.

04) Grind the mixture to a fine powder. Its important that we grind the mixture as fine and uniformly as possible, about the consistency of coarse flour.

05) Sift the mixture into the beaker using a wire mesh strainer placed inside a large funnel to minimize dusting. When grinding and sifting be careful with vents, fans and open windows so your pseudo doesn't blow away as dust. You also dont want to inhale NaOH or carbon dust. Let the dust settle in the coffee grinder before opening the lid.

06) For every gram of total pill mass add:

- 1.5ml dry acetone

This measurement will get you in the ball park. We want the mixture to be a liquid at this point, not a paste. Add more acetone in small increments as the mixture will go from stiff to fluid very quickly. Acetone used for this purpose should be dried before use, as the moisture content of acetone can vary over such a wide range that the only way to obtain consistent results it to dry the acetone before use.

07) For every box of pills used add while stirring:

- 3 drops DH2O (use the baby medicine dropper)

Why are we using dry acetone and then adding water? Since the amount of moisture present is critical for proper basing, and the water content of non-dried acetone is widely variable, the only way to accurately control the moisture available for basing is to dry the acetone first, then add a measured amount of water.

08) Stir with a glass rod for about 3 to 4 minutes. The mixture will slowly thicken to a wet paste.

09)For every box of pills used add:

- 1.0 gram corn starch

10) Stir for a few minutes. The mixture will become very stiff and the consistency of damp potting soil, with no signs of visible liquid. Add more cornstarch in very small increments if nessesary.

Why the cornstarch? The cornstarch is a great absorbent and helps to dry our mixture fast. When drying the cornstarch will keep our mixture from turning into hard little rocks and when powdered again keeps the mixture free flowing. It also will help absorb waxy gak when we extract our free base.

11) Spread out the mixture on the pie plate(s) and let dry completely. It will dry fast because the carbon has increased the surface area of our mixture.

12) When completely dry sift the mixture back into the beaker using the wire mesh strainer placed inside a large funnel.

13) For every box of pills used add: [blue]

- 35ml Naptha

14) Mix well. Then place the beaker on the hot plate set to med high heat. With constant gentle stirring, heat the mixture until boiling. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the solids settle out for a few minutes.

Isn't boiling naptha dangerous? Boiling any flammable solvent is an extremely dangerous practice. Solvents should not be heated over an open flame or on any apparatus that is capable of producing a spark. This includes defective or damaged electric hot plates. Adequate ventilation is required. This should not be done in a closed environment due to risk of explosion and/or fire and due to health concerns regarding inhalation of solvent fumes. The constant use of a fan positioned to blow across the solvent will disburse the vapor, reduce the risk of fire and explosion.

15) While waiting, make a charmin filter. Take 4 plys of charmin and fold three times to make a square. Fold that over once and then once again to make a quarter square. Completely wet the square with some clean naptha using the medicine dropper and place the pad into the bottom of funnel across the neck. The Charmin should not be "packed" or "compressed". Gently mold the edges around the contour of the funnel bottom. Wet it again with naptha and place this filter-funnel into the erlenmeyer flask.

16) Slowly decant the naptha into the funnel in small amounts and allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask. Don't pour in more than can pass through the charmin in more or less real time. If you make a big puddle it may start to crystalize in the funnel clogging the filter. The filtered naptha should be crystal clear. Free base crystals will start to form in the filtrate. Set the flask aside.

17)[blue] For every box of pills used add:[blue]

- 20ml Naptha

18) Mix well. Then place the beaker on the hot plate set to med high heat. With constant gentle stirring, heat the mixture until boiling. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the solids settle out for a minute.

19) Slowly decant the naptha into the same filter-funnel in small amounts and allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask combining filtrates. Don't pour in more than can pass through the charmin in more or less real time. Do not replace the charmin, continue to re-use the same pad.

20)[blue] For every box of pills used add:

- 10ml Naptha

21) Mix well. Then place the beaker on the hot plate set to med high heat. With constant gentle stirring, heat the mixture until boiling. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. Remove from hot plate.

22)Slowly decant the naptha into the same filter-funnel in small amounts and allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask combining filtrates. Then empty the entire contents of the beaker into the filter funnel and let drain.

23) While draining boil a small amount of naptha about 5 ml for every box of pills used. When all the liquid appears to have drained through, pour the boiling naptha over the filter cake and let it drain again. Then take a large spoon and press down on top of filter cake squeezing any remaining naptha into the flask.

Should I do a forth pull? You can try but tests have shown its usually not enough gain to justify the effort. Only do additional pulls if the end result is less than 45%

24) Place the erlenmeyer flask with the combined filtrate on the hot plate set to med high. Heat to boiling or until all crystals have re-dissolved. Pour the hot filtrate into clean pie plate(s).

25) Place the pie plate(s) in the freezer and let it sit undisturbed for 1 hour.

26) Remove the pie plate(s) from the freezer and pour off the used naptha filtering out free base crystals using a coffee filter. Let the collected free base crystals dry. Some crystals may adhere to the pie plate. Let them dry before removing.

27) WARNING: The remaining naptha does contain some additional pseudoephedrine free base. The pseudo available by titrating this naptha is known to contain contaminants, particularly polyethylene glycol. If you wish to titrate or gas to obtain this pseudo, you should be aware that it will require further cleaning by multiple recrystalizations. If you combine this pseudo with the freebase crystals in a reaction and have not cleaned them thoroughly by recrystalizations, you will contamination the reaction, your product will be contaminated, and your yield will suffer substantially.

28) If the HCL salt is the desired outcome, redissolve the free base crystals in fresh non polar solvent and gas or titrate. Do Not gas the original Naptha. If you gas the original naptha you will pick up unwanted contaminants. You may alternatively move the free base crystals into a small quantity of dH2O and add HCl drop wise with stirring until the free base crystals all dissolve. Evaporate over low heat until this alligators over, then flash with dry acetone. Filter the acetone and pseudoehphedrine HCL though a coffee filter, rinse with acetone, allow to dry.

- Calculating Yield -

When calculating your yield remember to adjust for free base.

Psuedo HCl is about 202gr per mole and psuedo free base is about 166gr per mole.

So 166 divided by 202 is a ratio of 0.82 So potential yield from 1 box of 120's

would be 20 x 120 x 0.82 = 1.9 grams free base vs 2.4 grams for psuedo HCL.

- Advantages and Disadvantages -

The technique should be, for the near future, virtually universal. It should successfully extract most pseudoephedrine pills. The materials are easily available and draw less attention than xylene and tolulene purchases. Yields should range in the sixty percent range. The pseudoephedrine so obtained will be very clean--characteristic of A/B extractions of pseudoephedrine. The main disadvantage is heating a flamable solvent.

- Acknowledgements -

Created in a dream by SWIVE. This would not of been possible without the fearless contributions of many bees and the invaluable database we call the Hive. A special thanks goes to the Geezmeister, MnkyBoy77 and Scottydog for donating their time, wisdom and valuable precursors to field test this technique.

Known to be effective with the following pills:

30 mg pseudoephedrine, Sudafed and Perrigo

Actifed

Perrigo 60 mg with tripolidine

Allerfrim

Sudafed 120 and 240 Time Release

Perrigo 120 Time Release

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[This message has been edited by Wicked_Rain (edited 08-30-2003).]

HI THERE I LIVE IN AUSTRALIA AND CAN ONLY GET

SUDAFED IN 8 TABLET BOXES WITH 120MG OF PSEUDOEPHDRINE AND WANT TO MAKE A SMALL AMOUNT FOR PERSONAL USE CAN ANYONE HELP ME OUT WITH A RECIPIE

quote:Originally posted by iceicebaby:

HI THERE I LIVE IN AUSTRALIA AND CAN ONLY GET

SUDAFED IN 8 TABLET BOXES WITH 120MG OF PSEUDOEPHDRINE AND WANT TO MAKE A SMALL AMOUNT FOR PERSONAL USE CAN ANYONE HELP ME OUT WITH A RECIPIE

Damn it Ice....help yourself and read some other threads you lazy bastard.

LoL, Tired! Ice being a lazy bastard.BTW, Ice

this is Labor Day Weekend, do some work you lazy bastard!Hehe, Everyone in the states, have a safe and happy Labor Day! Almost forgot, Wicked, guess I'll have to get more hard drive to copy and paste. lol

quote:Originally posted by stillbill:

LoL, Tired! Ice being a lazy bastard.BTW, Ice

this is Labor Day Weekend, do some work you lazy bastard!Hehe, Everyone in the states, have a safe and happy Labor Day! Almost forgot, Wicked, guess I'll have to get more hard drive to copy and paste. lol

LOL

Wicked Rain, seeing as how Swim got a late

start with the cookout(2pm). And Swim knows the long wet is ideal, but what would Swiwr

say a minimum time would be. Getting a bit antsy due to holiday weekend! Thanks!

quote:Originally posted by stillbill:

Wicked Rain, seeing as how Swim got a late

start with the cookout(2pm). And Swim knows the long wet is ideal, but what would Swiwr

say a minimum time would be. Getting a bit antsy due to holiday weekend! Thanks!

SWIM has had decent luck with 6 hour cooks bill. use this formula:

E 1g/RP 1g/I2 1.2g/DH2O 0.5ml

cook for 6 hours at 190 F.

post rxn workup as normal.

you will have a decent yield. dope will be a lil sketchy but still be long legged

thats SWIM`s opinion anyways based on actually havin done it. sorry so late but i just got in from work.

Wicked Rain, I trust your opinion very much!

Have been simmering @190-200F. for just about

7 hrs., so the timing is perfect. As always,

Thanks again!

Exellent Wicked!!

No need to UTFSE cause all swim needs to know is found in your scroll. You da man!

Thanks

P.S. Swim recalls some painful burn blistered fingers, seperating the matches from book one book at a time is very sound advice.

hey icebaby---try www.rhodium.ws/ (http://www.rhodium.ws/) go into the chemistry section and read the birch section,,meth synth section,,,,and the redphos/iodine section,,and i dont know where in australia you are but its gotta be the back of bumfuck because you can get far better pills than that most anyplace

quote:Originally posted by stillbill:

Wicked Rain, I trust your opinion very much!

Have been simmering @190-200F. for just about

7 hrs., so the timing is perfect. As always,

Thanks again!

hey stillbill good luck on ur quest hope everything works out for u brother...peace

hey ricericelady come on bro..you have just read the answer to ur question this threads as good as they get

Hey W. Rain! Swim is glad he did what you said about dumping in the 3 and then the shotglass. Swim barely had time to secure

punch-balloon, when the flask got so hot he could not handle, wheeeewww!!Swim has read and read about exothermic heat, but this was unreal! Went ahead and let stew for the evening. Doing post rxn workup as Swim types.

Thanks again Rainman!!

Please forgive if a stupid question. On straight to e it says you can recristalise immediately. However, swish wanted to know don't you have to reduce this further to meth before you recristalise. Thanks.

quote:Originally posted by shadoemann:

Please forgive if a stupid question. On straight to e it says you can recristalise immediately. However, swish wanted to know don't you have to reduce this further to meth before you recristalise. Thanks.

Hey shadoe...one can in theory recryst either the b4 or after... RSL

Now the recristolzing or recriscolizing or refriskolatinization (or grammatical equivalent) dunno...

Oh yeah...sorry not to say thanx for the compilation Wicked...good archive material and very down to earth and DIY...Swirh specially preC8's the potting soil... Little things mean alot...Peace...

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[This message has been edited by RedHorse (edited 09-06-2003).]

to all of you that this thread helped and said thank you... you are welcome. SWIM is glad that his words were a help.

Well, wicked. Without doubt you have put some really serious time into this compilation. It was so long that I mostly skimmed over it. There are a few observations that I would like to share that differ somewhat from what I saw. Hopefully while writing this, I can go back and examine the posts more carefully. With this, there is always the danger of getting side tracked before finished and the post never getting submitted. Oh, well.

In you modified version you said:

"Boil pills with this solution & remove from heat. Let sit for a while (30 to 60 minutes or more) Separate this solution from the rest of the pillstock & boil to 105 degrees celcius. At that time the pseudo will crash out of the naphtha & you can filter it with a #6 coffee filter in a 2 liter tea pitcher."

First, it has been shown that some pills such as the ones imprinted with L434, P/8, 257, L450 and a couple more that have slipped my mind, will not dissolve. These must either be crushed before hand or beat to shit with a hand mixer once they boil a little. CAUTION: Don't use a hand mixer in hot xylene, it will eat the plastic FAST.

OK, that was just a side note. Here's the thing. With the first pull, if you let the naptha sit and cool on the pill mass, it has been observed that much of the pseudo will crystallize right there and some of the gaak will begin to pull into the solution while its sitting. That's the old double whammy no-no. It has been repeatedly observed that if the elixir is poured off of the pm while its still hot, directly into a vacuum funnel filter with a large cotton ball stuffed as tightly as you can shove it down in there (tapping a marks a lot with a hammer gets it pretty tight) then pull that shit down to about 10, it will filter out nice and clear. As soon as it hits the bottom of the collection jar, it crystallizes. By the time you have finished filtering and the next pull is set up, its a solid mass of string. Vacuum filter these crystals, wash with tone, blah, blah, blah. Here is 70% of your theo right here.

BUT THEY ARE NOT CLEAN YET!!!

Sure they may look clean, but I assure you they are not. When all is said and done, gather all the crystals you have, add just enough alcohol to dissolve most of them and put it on some heat. When its hot and everything is dissolved, add as much xylene as you can afford. (at least 10X your alcohol saturated volume) Now, boil this (you don't have to go to 105, it just makes them clump up and get all greasy. Ever seen a jar full of clear crystals that are the size of toothpicks? Try less temp and more repetitions.) and do the crash thing. Keep heating, crashing and cooling until they all come out. Your first two crashes will be primo clean. The rest will be cleaner than most will ever see.

You write very clearly and easily understandable to a broad group of people. In no way do I intend to flame you or your post. Instead, I would like to add observations that the observer has directly, personally observed quite a few times.

I know a guy who has put way too many hours into a project in which the primary goal has been to escape the insanity of real life. It would be good if someone else could benefit from the 300-400 hours a month the ridiculously stupid observer logs every month hiding from life in a hole in the ground playing with chemicals.

I'll stop there, I've got some things I need to tinker with.

Don't forget, Geezmeister has been xylene crashing since at least January, and probably before that. It is the key.

PS--For those of you who insist on replying with quotes that consist of the entire post. Stop being a fucking moron. Nobody needs to see a repeat of a mile long post. What's the point? If you want to quote, just quote the part you want to address. There is nothing more annoying than seeing some idiot requoting every word only to say

KOOL!!

LOL- its tha return of the matchbook phosphorous rec.ipe

quote:Originally posted by tReePHrOg:

LOL- Oh noo its tha return of the matchbook phosphorous rec.ipe

It looks like froggy loves froggy. I read the rp thing, and yeah, its ok. You can get it a lot cleaner than that though. That is, if you have no life and just must have it clean.

It just occured to me that it wasn't made clear that this procedure is for matchbooks, not post reaction cleanup.

For the matchbook removal, if you want to be anal about it, do everything he told you but after you rinse with the water (use tap water until the very end, then use distilled.):

1. add more water and some hcl. Soak it boil it, whatever you got the balls to do. Keep it in the hcl for at least 12 hours.

2.This next step is widely overlooked, but kinda sorta important. Soak the rp in a non polar solvent such as naptha or xylene. Mix it up good (you know, the mixer) let it sit and siphon off. THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE MUST FOR POST REACTION RP. IN THIS CASE, REPEAT THIS STEP AT LEAST THREE TIMES, HEATING EACH ONE.

3. After the non polar, do a quick acetone wash.

4. Rinse with a lot of water. How about putting the red in a half gallon plastic jug, fill it up with water, hot would be good, and then blasting it with a hand mixer for about 2 minutes. (You'll have to modify a hand mixer to get it to fit, but it will be good for many things besides rp) Let it settle and siphon off the water. A vacuum pump makes this very easy and efficient. Now, do this until you say fuck it, I ain't doin this no more. At least 2-3 gallons worth.

5. Now, hit it again (in a smaller cotainer) with acetone (dry would be stupid). As before, if you can handle it, heat that shit up. Blast it with the hand mixer, and tell me if the liquid goes clear. That's right, it doesn't, but its pretty damn close. You can stop there, but you may leave some kind of residue from acetone (I don't know). One thing for sure, water doesn't leave any. So, rinse it one more time with some distilled water. This will save you from having a failed reaction with wacked out snot and wierd colors in it.

I'm sorry dude. I just read something else. If you don't want to spend eternity ripping out matches, try this.

Get comfy in the bed or something. Set up a cardboard box in front of you like you are going to write on it or play cards on it. In front of that put a paper sack or plastic bag stretched open. Now, get yourself a pile of matchbooks by your side. Take one, put it on your "table" striker side up and pointed straight at you. Take a good sharp xacto knife (the fat one with the short thick blade works best) and slice on each side of the striker. Peel the striker out with one hand while flicking the matchbook into the bag with the other. With a little practice, you can get into a groove that is a lot faster than doing any 2 or 3 stage method. The less handling the better.

Damn, I feel like a dick for fucking up your thread, but you are covering all the things that drove Swigotta nuts until new methods made it easier. Then again, everyone is different. What works for one may not work for another.

lol- a failed reaction is one thing,

but a blond approach of mixing elements and heating them is another. lol...

thats the best card tble I to know of.

great for playing cards.

Frog--

It's way past medication time.

treephrog what the fuck are you talking about? you mean to tell me that you think geez is taking a blond approach? 1st of all SWIM simply copied and pasted the lastest extractions from the hive back when he made this thing. the straight to b he copied from chemhead. hence the props in the post to geez and all the boys that donated time and valuable precursors to test this method.

gotta SWIM values your opinion and respects you and SWIM believes your post is right on the money and thanks you for the insight. SWIM thinks we (gotta and SWIM) should modify the technique to suit SWIGGOTTA since he is the one that has given countless hours to perfect these methods. as far as the rp method go`s SWIM was simply giving an outline of a safe productive procedure. everyone tweeks what they learn to suit there environment, supplys, mood, timeframe etc.

however you are right about the fact that SWIM forgot the step about the muriatic boil. he also does this and cant believe he left it out. that also needs revamped SWIM will take care of it. gotta if you will revamp the info for the extraction and send it to SWIM he will edit it in as well. we should also see about getting it on the main page where that stupid ass iodine extraction recipie is, the one with the flame and jar lid and blah blah blah SWIM cant believe the mods and admin have allowed that to stand this long. it is retarded. if we can get this revamped and perfected and streamlined a bit and put on the main page then it will benifit all of us as we can reference people to the main page without all the searching and i cant find it bullshit we go thru now. maybe AM or tryp will help us out with that when its ready and perfected. also another thing that SWIM sometimes does to superclean the RP and it works kill. take the RP after its dry from the above described steps and put it in a 250 to 500 ml boiling flask. (or whatever is large enough to hold the amount you have and hold up to the LOW heat) for every 10 grams of RP put in 1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon of RD lye. add DH2O untill the RP is covered by a 2 or 3 inchs. put it on the hotplate (outside of course) and cook it for 2 hours on LOW LOW heat dont let it boil and dont let the water cook out as the lye will want to erupt if it gets to hot or runs low on water. the lye will cook out of the mix and the caustic nature of it will burn everything out of the RP that isnt RP. keep a close eye on the shit and add more DH2O as needed to keep the RP covered. wash it WELL with DH2O afterwards and you have about as clean RP as you can possibley get.

now then treephrog, one more thing. the joking and bullshit was fun i enjoyed it much but its time to get a little serious here and try to offer positive contributions to this forum. you are a smart guy and could contribute much to this forum however we need to work as a team. the insults and trading of name calling has grown old and pointless. i would rather have you as productive thinker here and someone that can add advice and critique when you see a problem or have an idea. so lets bury the hatchett and start working as a team to help others bee all they can bee. some of your posts have enlightened me. and id hate to rob this forum of the possible benefits of the knowledge you and i can bring to the table if we can manage to stop fuckin around like 12 year olds. like i said it was fun and stimulating but its time in my opinion to let it go. so its up to you. if you want to continue the way we have been then by all means carry on. i however am done and will not respond to taunts and such anymore as it just hurts the forum, makes us look retarded to the people seeking simple knowledge. to many simple questions that only need simple answers are marred and made confusing by our actions. a simple short thread 3 or 4 posts of which address the question turns into 2 pages of bickering and arguing that is usually started by you and i and drags others into the fray and the thread loses all meaning and becomes vague and unproductive. this is my take on the whole thing so its up to you. sound reasonable?

oh and one more thing gotta, you didnt fuck up my thread. your opinions, and critique are welcome, valued and wanted as well as needed. so lets get this thing edited and try and get it up on the main page. like i said if you will take care of the extraction parts that you know to be flawed or incomplete i will take care of the rest. i know your time is limited but if you will just copy the post to a text file and edit in the things where they need to be that you have learned from trial and error and send it to me at:

wickedrain1@mail.igl.dk

i will edit the RP extraction then delete this entire thread and post it to a new thread to eliminate all the banter and off topic posts. maybe AM or tryp can then lock it so it dont get cluttered with confusion untill we can see about having it posted as a text file on the main. damn this BBS needs sticky threads lol. again i want to thank everyone for your input and ideas and say your welcome to all those that gleaned some knowledge from this thread and said thank you to me. i didnt do much really just wrote the RP method and copied and pasted others hard work to one place so that newbees could find the info handy and all in one place as sometimes one finds themselves in a position to need the answers quickly and dont have time to wait on an answer. wow its sunday morning i just noticed. SWIM has been up since thursday morning and feels great lol no rest for the wicked as the sayin go`s heh

bumpin this so it stays near the top as people seem to not be able to find it below the mid page mark. damn man SWIM wonders if some people can find there ass with both hands.

reading all of your post are giving me a boner. very stimulating.

lol

quote:Originally posted by tReePHrOg:

reading all of your post are giving me a boner. very stimulating.

lol

especially the part about adding pills to naptha, and them dissolving lol, but they sure(most pmasses) wont even begin to dissolve in a toluene,xylene,

(simple) acetone mixture.

I think the best part of this procedure involves pulling any binders with your psuedo nor ephed. but after pulling my cord

toluene boils are the best think to do whith crystalline ehped/povidone. lol.

OK everybody, I want all to know that frog has just proven himself as another C.S. Lewis. Brillance and intelligence make for interesting preponderances, but they are useless without practical knowledge.

If I lost you, treephrog has no experience, he's all books and theory.

There have been many clues that I have overlooked because I like frog for the way he thinks. It's a shame he cannot be useful. The last straw was when he proved he does not remotely understand the mechanism behind the isopropyl/naptha extraction technique. This is because it is not in textbooks. It is a clandestine lab procedure developed by tweakers who have spent many long hours experimenting and observing the physical characteristics of solvents on modern day pseudoephedrine pill formulations.

Frog--

I'm not going to go into it, but I'll give you a little something to think about.

1. It's isopropyl alcohol 100% and naptha. No tone. Research the solubility characteristics of both of these. Then try to put them together.

2. Toluene WAS good, but it's too fast. It pulls other stuff.

3. The binders thing.....you're wrong. See #1 above.

Enough of that.

Rainman--

I very much want to share all of the tips and subtle modifications that Swigotta has come up with the last few months. We have both worked very hard on this project at great expense to our lives. To be able to illustrate and explain in a way that a very diverse group of people could understand and enjoy would at least give some sense of meaning and worth to it all.

It is my goal to turn totse off for a few days and get that notebook again and do just what you have asked. This damn forum is so addictive, it's hard.

It reminds me of when Howard Stern first got popular. Listeners who like him were asked why they kept listening. The overwhelming response was, "To here what he would say next." Listeners who didn't like him were asked the same question. There response....

"To see what he would say next."

That's the way this forum is for me. There are times when I am more interested in what the frog has to say in response than anyone else.

Go figure.

Rain, I will send you SOMETHING within 48hrs. You have my word.

Good point. forgive me as isopropyl would make these pilmasses dissolve rather quick.

long run.....I still think your losing product in, washing the ephed with

(simple)acetone, but loss is relative to size of cook.

yo are meaning to tell me that povidone nor cellulose nor silicon dioxides go with the ephed in a naptha.......oh shit here goTTa,

the povidones,pegs,celluloses,dioxides(silicons) going into the naptha ye? so basically, all the crappy binders are in the naptha and the ephed has a greater affinity for isoprop, than the binders,...cool.

iso residing on top of the pill masses, therefor leaving still some crappy crap left to do some work, further llokking into this would lead me to belive that you gettin pretty good crystalls . but hell man these binders are killin people.

This is the cold case files of why binders do more harm than good, and why also cooling this solvent mixture after seperation from pilmasses upon cooling..... to just under

32 degrees fahrenhight would maybe fix the problem of the naptha pulling so many binders or if they sit too long they may want to start following back to the iso.

nevermind, I just pulled ephed from a pill mass with a little povidone with ethyl.

no fukin with the water soluble shit.

lol- you must be a fukn cop with all of your stolen extraction proceedures,and or meth rec.ipes

But povidone was the only visible binder.

upon a burn test of ephedrine hcl pulled by means of ethyl acetone(tate).

I know I piulliod all of the ephed from the pill mass in one pull, cause the pilmass was not tasty after soaking in ethyl acetate for

2 hours at about 180 degrees fahrenhight.

anyhow, this would be a lovely time to wash the ephedrine with (simple)acetone.

[This message has been edited by tReePHrOg (edited 09-08-2003).]

Sometimes I wonder,lol, how soluable ethyl acetone(tate) is in gasolina, seeing as how my ephedrine is in suspention in ethyl acetone, he gas would yank fukin povidones dick. Povidone would severely not like that.

in theory gas would severely murder ephed for povidone or peg, as there are poly compound in gas. techron.

after seperating the liquid ethyl acetone/ephed/pov, evaporate the acetone, and then do your naptha cleaning ,Gotta,

fuck Wicked_rain, he, thinks Im a fag,

but I would severely roll his nuts in the dirt for paying over 50 dollars when gaining

epehedrine from a pill mass calculated to an ounce of ephed. Write THIS shit down punk ass muther fucker fukstik nigger hoe balled torque driven hy quility brainwave specialist hoebag bitch........Wicked_rain is a faggot, and he gonna take me for a ride? foolish sheep shaver mutherfucker.

Wicked_rain, Im getting a boner lol,.

Your brains are diced murterfucker punk mig driver Phantom flight dive bomber bitch.,

you Gonna invest in a redwood casket you fukin telling me to go fuck my self rig driver pipe sucker dickliker muthafuk brain bridge bomber towel head.

hypowered bunk driver tree chopper leaf blower , kid raper thinkin great log drone driven healiomaniac vertical horizon gunk blower suck povidone's dick foolish jackalope red phosphorous hater water bather mutha fuk.

Wiched_rain, you gonna loose your mind when I'm through dicing your brains up with my mouth, then watch you sleepwalk with your dick in your hands.

quote:Originally posted by tReePHrOg:

reading all of your post are giving me a boner. very stimulating.

lol

shuttha fuck up you dumbass, you are going to

give Wicked_rain mental problems when you done fucking around with isoproply, you fuckin retard, nevermind I don't care if your a faggot but just don't try poking me with your penis.

Wicked_rain,amost forgot, your extraction procedure that you just said you have been doing a lot of resaerch about, you fuckin silly liyioer, I thought this was VE's, come to find out, this extraction proceedure is

not VE's its, Crank_nymphs. And for Inspector Todd he's such a fukin hoejacklover

he'd believe anyfukin thing I'vewrote, goofball punk poser root watering, ground lover,bark gaffling,skin licker,tree trimming ass wiping leaf lover.

Wiched_rain, how cold do you have your isopropyl when you adding it to your pill mass? you such a fuking poser I can't belive

you even talkin to me telling me to go fuck myself your fro pitifu;l, red phosphorous hater gank sighn throwin dorklik, keltic wannabe nigger.

You are fukin pitiful, stuuff some bark in your ass and blow me.

Read my lips Wich_edRain, you fuking mannequin tit suker mutherfucker bitch hoe trick sleeze, cock bender trunk humper ,bumper car hating heterosexual, port proggramming junk smoker expedition expert,

wet toed dirt washer glass blower torch lover.

See my lips when the shit comes down too it you gonna pay with all your might pulling ephedrine complex crack-headed punk butt sniffer three timed Santa Maria rower indian lover goof off. Lik my nutsack you silly fukstik. Wiched_your damn brains are diced as of now. Do'nt ever tell me to go fuck myself or tell me I am a fag. As I do not know how to fuck myself. forgive me. Before I light this fuse to my dynamite I'd like you to stick this stick of wax in hands and prey that my detanator is a fucking dud.

poop hunter froth lover, green diaper spit drooler tongue wiggler mudda fuker.

hmmmm.... interesting

sure gotta no worries. when you get it done just let me know.

What? That's it? I said I was going to turn this fucker off and get some work done. I also said that intrigue often gets the best of me. That's my excuse anyway.

Ok wicked, the good parts of this thread are copied so feel free to delete it whenever you are ready.

I shouldn't do this because I don't have the time, but froggy, you are one of those interesting pieces of shit that leave me baffled alot of the time. So, if I'm Inspector Todd, and I'll believe anything you say, that would lead one to believe that you are lying the majority of the time.

Spouting off bits and pieces of cryptic tips and notes intertwined with taunts, insults, and rage indicates a person who has been dissed by an authority figure, perhaps his chemistry teacher. Who knows. You do. At the same time there is need to prove worthyness and knowledge while punishing and belittling those he feels represent the authority.

You obviously are bipolar with undr lying obsessive/compulsive disorder, possibly bordering on schizophrenia. Is that pretty close frog? (Now Gotta couldn't have been a psych. major way back in the day, now could he?)

Wait a minute. This isn't psych. class or even Inspector Todd trying to put together a psych. profile. This is lab tips where people come to talk about just how much they don't know about the meth lab.

It's funny how it's hard sometimes to figure out who does know the particular topic of discussion, but it isn't too hard to figure out who doesn't.

So, let's move on. Gullible ole Inspector Todd would like to take on the role of a newbee and probe the brilliant, lab hardened experimenter who so graciously has taken the time to log onto the newbee, no nothing forum, and dedicate sometime to responsibly mold and shape the minds of young and eager minds.

Ready?



Oops! First this:

"Good point. forgive me as isopropyl would make these pilmasses dissolve rather quick."

No, actually it doesn't. Only a select group of pills dissolve rapidly, most do not. Some don't even begin to dissolve even in boiling for an hour iso/naptha elixir. Hmmm, could this be those binders you were talking about. Also, acetone, properly dried and kept dry, will dissolve an insignificant amount of pfed/ephed/meth. Yeah, plain ole simple acetone. You didn't research the solubilities did you? It's not on the surface. You actually have to do some work. You're smart and I'm the gullible one, you can figure it out. (That's no bullshit. I am gullible as hell. All that bullshit you posted about watched chems and their availability had me writing shit down and preparing a serious google search strategy. That is until 4&6 popped a nut in your face. Thanks again method.)

Here's another one:

"yo are meaning to tell me that povidone nor cellulose nor silicon dioxides go with the ephed in a naptha.......oh shit here goTTa,

the povidones, pegs, celluloses, dioxides(silicons) going into the naptha ye? so basically, all the crappy binders are in the naptha and the ephed has a greater affinity for isoprop, than the binders,...cool"

Let's look at this in twoparts, since it is in two parts.

First, the actual binders, or shit put in the pills for the purpose of maintaing the integrity of the pill itself, won't go anywhere. It stays with he pill mass. Another exclusive property of the iso/naptha elixir. Why do you think that is? Don't bother looking through posts at the hive. You won't find the answers there. Look at real research. Same area, different people. (They're a little tighter in the ass.)

The second part has to do with that damn shit they put in the pills with the sole purpose of deterring the clandestine laboratorian from a)thinking that a pure product can be extracted and/or b)thinking that a respectable quantative yield can be obtained.

Yep, naptha will hold them, but not with the volumes and techniques we are talking about here. That's alright,let some of those pussies cling onto the pfed thinking they got away with something. It's a triple attack for these types of scum. Some is removed with he naptha, a lot is removed with that shitty ghetto simple acetone you like to knock (which is the cheapest solvent you can get.), and the rest(to a very acceptable level) is removed with another solvent with unusual, but specific characteristics, xylene. If you use enough, you can achieve purity in the near 100 range right there. No need to clean any further. Since cleanliness has now been mentioned, let me say this. The vast majority playing this game are using beautiful white crunchy ultra pure best I've ever seen pfed crystals that are probably in he 70% pfed range. What that means is, that beautiful shit has 30% exactly that....SHIT!!! Lookin clean and bein clean are two totally different things. The burn test. Don't bother. it's not gonna tell you nuthin.

OK, I'm done playin stump the chump. Now its your turn:

"nevermind, I just pulled ephed from a pill mass with a little povidone with ethyl.

no fukin with the water soluble shit"

I m knew at tis; wut du u meen? No, really, expound please.

This, too:

Sometimes I wonder,lol, how soluable ethyl acetone(tate) is in gasolina, seeing as how my ephedrine is in suspention in ethyl acetone, he gas would yank fukin povidones dick. Povidone would severely not like that.

in theory gas would severely murder ephed for povidone or peg, as there are poly compound in gas. techron.

I know you are theorizing here because of the thread you started on the subject. So, did you do the experiment? What did you find out?

This is your last legitimate contribution before your homosexual urges caused your schizophrenia to modify your brain chemistry, throwing you into a surreal fit of rage in which you believe wicked is cheating on you:

"after seperating the liquid ethyl acetone/ephed/pov, evaporate the acetone, and then do your naptha cleaning ,Gotta,

fuck Wicked_rain, he, thinks Im a fag,

but I would severely roll his nuts in the dirt for paying over 50 dollars when gaining

epehedrine from a pill mass calculated to an ounce of ephed"

By the way, an ounce of pfed will cost Swigotta (or whoever happens to get stuck with procurement) about $25 not including chems.

Dissolvation of ephedrine in Ethyl- will

seperate from pmmud, what the fuck are you talkin about did I do the experiment you fukin froth puff green headed red phosphorous hatin school time principal blowjob giver.

Gasolina would pull pov off of ephed.

Fuck the dumb, just come around my hood Wiched_rain and youll be huffin chunks out of your ass, foool live up to the foil and choke on some hot coffee.

Open a bottle of shitty acetone and take a swigg muddafuker.

I'd like to know what kind of PCP yer smoking.

I will not further elaborate with my penis in your mouth.

> Fuck KodaK < Ojo's De Sapo.

crasck headed flask throwin sock tien punk ass bitch liker three timin deken bitch

What ya gonna say next that you love my method flask floater nuddin fukin nano hoe,

lik my sperm sak hunter drop your droors fool.

Wiched_rain is a nigger flutter nut butter saoker fryin bathtub ass lover.

almost lastly..lol ,,<---- you are not the only person on the planet with a good extraction procedure nor do I care idf you experiment to perfect mine, although yours may be 100% like you to tell me whats wrong with mine fuckin tree humper.

your a fukin goon ass erectionist feeler.

lol

you fukin killin me silly fukin retard.

ok enough of that.

Ethyl acetone will pull ephedrine from the pill mass mudd and all of it. type of pills is besides the point when ethyl acetone dissolves ephedrine.

Point being that killing the cat here, I care less about your fuking retarded extraction procedure when your right, looks of cleaninest are different then actual clean proda. I can get my ephedrine 100%

pull from pills, in weight, and cleaneist

from Ethyl acetone,acetone,xylene, and gas.

You a dumbest nigger I know to date.

What is todays date by the Way? you prooll,ly don't know thats ok. I wanna know how you getting 70% return on a pillmass of ephedrine using isoproply alcohol first ff.

Wiched_rain, Gotta, Dont first of all you sarcastic fuk,.

First off all Iso sucks dick. you diced fuker.

When are you going to delete this post or are you smoking red phozphorous?

When are you going to get back with me on,what is wrong with my method nigger fro fightin kink driver tonka truck pusher playboy mudda fuk?

-tReePHrOg=d >Fuck KodaK<

Didn't you tell wicked he was smokin PCP or somethin? Dude, you are defnitely whacked out of your fuckin mind. I have to read 10 posts of ghetto nigger slang insults mixed in with gibberish just to get two paragraphs of something worth reading?????

What the fuck! Niggers aren't smart enough for chemistry so drop the "I'm a bad assed gang bangin nigga gonna kick yo ass cracker" bullshit.

Now:

"what the fuck are you talkin about did I do the experiment"

You know you were diggin. You wanted to know if someone else was gonna confirm or deny before you tried it. I can't remember if anyone actually took you seriously enough to give it any thought except me. I gotta family and shit to do, if you got it figured out, spill it. If not, get on it. If you just want to keep it to yourself, why are you here? To show everybody what a bad assed mofo you is? Who gives a shit? You can't do nothin' physical in this world. If you can, then come on. I'll whip your little black ass.

Why does this sound so desperate and dejected?:

"you are not the only person on the planet with a good extraction procedure nor do I care idf you experiment to perfect mine, although yours may be 100% like you to tell me whats wrong with mine"

Right now, theoretically? Nothing. It sounds interesting to say the least. I believe I told you that last week or whatever when you first posted it. Without enough detail I might add.

This is exactly the same pillow talk that confuses newbees:

"I can get my ephedrine 100%

pull from pills, in weight, and cleaneist"

Really now. What was the testing procedure used to determine this? GCMS? Diffusion? HPLC? How about the most ghetto, but available method. Weigh the pm before and after? You don't know any more than I do. You have to go with what you know. Do you have some pharmaceutically pure ephedrine lying around to use as a reference?

I'm growing tired of this. I know you're smart. The odds are high that you are a lot smarter than me. The thing that separates us is the fact that I tell it like I see it. If I have to look stupid because I report that Swigotta cannot yield a fuckin thing worth smokin using the 2 hour, 2 drops per, 150C method, then so be it. I report it so that others who think they may have the same handicap as Swigotta does can avoid it. I guarantee any dumbass can get good results with enough water, long time, and moderately low temps.

What the..............goddamn,forget that. Let me finish this fuckin thing. Shit, I'm as bad as you are.

OK, where was I?



I missed something among the crap earlier. What is this shit?:

"I thought this was VE's, come to find out, this extraction proceedure is

not VE's its, Crank_nymphs."

Where is the support for this? Many bees have tried different combinations of polar and nonpolar solvents for extractions, but none have been universal. It's the alteration of the solubility smartass. Now, tell me what that means? You can't. Why? Because you didn't research the clues you were given earlier. You say you don't give a fuck cos you can pull pure ephi with ethyl acetone? You care. The simplicity of the mechanism is beautiful. Lock it up. It's not the xylene. It's not the iso or the naptha. It's the iso AND the naptha. That's it frog. That's more than you deserve, writin' all that grade school garbage. You sound like one of those little gang banger wannabee nigger kids sittin out on the porch at night, summertime, in the hood, cause the air don't work, watchin yo fat granny damn near sweat to death while yo uncle in his undershirt soakin wet is bustin yo mama on the living room sofa.(cause you ain't got no daddy)

Fuckin crackas. We is all tha same. Dissin niggas. Trin to keep the black man down.

PS-- If your black then you're smokin the wrong shit. Niggas smoke crack. All rush, no go. Stuck in your closet makin love to your pipe 24/7 till you die.

Now that's a dumb mother fucker!

Don't be throwin matches in the garbage can

ok I know then your ephedrine is clean but its SURELY looking like the most complicated extraction proceedure known to man.

Addition, of Ethyl Acetone is (dry) by the way, good for NDMF and DMF pills,

Ethyl acetone boil your pills for 2 hours

at 150-180 degrees fahrenhieght, cool just above room temp, decant and save this acetone for freezer crystallixation. this acetone meaning Ethyl ACETONE fukstik.

Are you illiterate? OR A FUCKING POSER FOR SWIGGOTTA??????????????????????????????????

I will pick your extraction proceedure apart piece by peice, starting with how isopropyl alcohol stinks, and suks fucking goat sak, if you have the time. Second, Since when do some pills not dissolve in Isopropyl?

Im using two brands one psuedo and one Ephedrine.

Do YOU KNOW OF PRIMATINE MIST TABLETS? WITH EPEHEDRIENE OR ARE YOU ILLITERATE . no, I am not a negro.

I know you ain't no nigga, cause niggas and me is tight. I apologize to any African Americans who may have read that post. I was just playin the game.

How can you even jokingly question my literacy. I don't think you have ever written a single sentence that was complete or error free.

And dude, make no mistakes, Swigotta can't take a piss, or even breathe without me. He's the underground hermit man, thats it. I'll show him this post and see if he wants to reply. (not the whole thread or I'll have to sit through the lecture of how I shouldn't let little punks drag me into nonsense and waste my time that I already don't have enough of.)

Shit, now that I think about it, he's right. Wife and I are going out for breakfast today anyway.

There is nothing we really have to offer each other anyway. Maybe I was wrong about your experiences, but the psychoanalysis was dead on. No charge. I enjoyed it.

Wicked--

Please leave this up just long enough for everyone to read this insanity. Newbs, don't try to figure any of this out. You don't really need it anyway. It's just a bunch of solvents and ratios and solubility thresholds (oops, did I say that) and other babble that you don't need right now, or probably ever.

So, frog. It was nice fuckin with you.

Later.

-peace-

Whoops!!Shame on you guys for slammin ethnic

groups like the Crackers (good ole Fl. and Ga.

boys) and the Negroes. No need in all of this slammin. Calm down and stay focused men!

[This message has been edited by stillbill (edited 09-09-2003).]

ok I apologize. What I meant to say in twizzerish, is Iso propyl alcohol verses Ethyl acetone, Verses Iso pulling binders and Ethyl Acetone pulling binder,

scuse me I may be wrong but, ...

Wicked, this method is da shyt.

quote:Originally posted by lordmighty:

Wicked, this method is da shyt.

glad it worked out for ya lord

Hey Wicked, is Swim still working on the manual? Just ckecking so it doesn't get past

me. Peace Rain

SWIM is makin progress. SWIM only has one brain cell and his friend in town is insane. between the two its a bit slow. not to mention its moose huntin season and SWIM has to stock his freezer.

LOL Rain, is it getting cold in Alaska yet?

Later

yes, where SWIM is the trees are turning and last night it was 36 degrees. winter will be here soon. SWIM will be ass deep in snow in bout 3 weeks.

Bumpin this one for some of the LAZY ASS NOOBS!!