Hi,

I did not find methanol or isopropyl alcohol

or i can use alcohol 90% for the extraction ??

Regards.

Well my question to you would be........why not 95% pure grain alcohol(190 proof) if all you can conjure up is 90%?!

Why not cut in half your h2o percentage?!

hehe....lol!! course I'm just wondering here not directing/advising since I ain't no wizard.

Actually, some profess that isoheet(100% isopropyl) is better than heet(100% methanol).........but I have and had made pure grain alcohol(rye not corn or molasses) and have been told by everyone who tries it(my moonshine for pill extraction) that it worked best.

And some have even reported that Everclear did in fact work for them in a pinch!

Go figure !!

Is alcohol 90% has found in pharmacy !

Isn't 90% alky found in the pharm. ISO??

do you have methylated spirits 95% and above----its all we use down here and it works fine

atome why use acohol....why flake? just crush em in some di ethyl ether or if you want to make iodine tincture use perxoide =)

atome, i lived in bombay for a number of years whilst working for an offshore petroleum company so i have knowledge of the solvents that are available to you and as such there purity worries me--you speak of wether alcohol 90%would be suitable for the ephedrine extraction--yes i believe it would be suitable--but what substance the other 10% of this alcohol is concerns me---take 2 mls of this alcohol 90% and place it on a petri dish--now evaporate this alcohol--you should be left with a clean petri dish with no residue --if you observe any residue left in the dish then the alcohol 90% is not suitable--at the very least it will inhibit the reduction--at the worst it will ruin the ephedrine

ohhhhhhhhhhh......he's from india. i was about to start yelling at him to go to safeway (grocery store), they have 99% iso there lol. i would still think it would be obtainable there if you can get it in cali so easily but i don't know. but if i were you i would try it with 90% if that's all you can get only because i think i remember a dream where Tryptamine wrote 90% or higher can be used.

I think you can get some of the water out of your alcohol with dry epsom salts.

there is no need to remove h20 from the solvent used to extract the ephedrine ---

unless its tapwater--as the chlorine in it will give everything a real evil taste

quote:Originally posted by morgan:

there is no need to remove h20 from the solvent used to extract the ephedrine ---

unless its tapwater--as the chlorine in it will give everything a real evil taste

SWIM thinks its very important that theres no H2O in the solvent used for the extraction cuz the presence of H2O even in minute amounts will activate the bullshit that they put in the pills to fuck up your extraction. if not everyone would all still be doing the cold water extraction of days gone by. just my opinion.

good comment wicked, i have a different perspective though--if the pills are cleaned correctly then what you suggest will not happen--just doing the turps soak--3xtoluene wash--acetone wash--there is little to solidfy in the methanol extraction-if per,se it had water--following this friends do a ab/extraction--and the product on crystalization is coming up 87% on the gas chromatograph--2 furthers crystalizations and friends can get her to 94%--not that thats got any thing to do with water content in the extraction solvent

quote:Originally posted by morgan:

good comment wicked, i have a different perspective though--if the pills are cleaned correctly then what you suggest will not happen--just doing the turps soak--3xtoluene wash--acetone wash--there is little to solidfy in the methanol extraction-if per,se it had water--following this friends do a ab/extraction--and the product on crystalization is coming up 87% on the gas chromatograph--2 furthers crystalizations and friends can get her to 94%--not that thats got any thing to do with water content in the extraction solvent

oh ok i got ya now. i thought you meant it didnt matter from the very beginning of the extraction. from the stage you speak of i dont suppose it would matter. you make good sense morgan and its obvious you are very educated in this subject and an asset to this forum. i always look forward to reading your posts

thanks very much wicked--its nice to hear praise from my peers--i find great humour on these pages as you read the questions and see there responses--i enjoy bringing an ozzy view point to matters--and dry humour is a commodity id like to see more of(especially the yankee version)

A Yankee dry humor point of view eh?!

Tell you what mate.......I sometimes wonder if such a thing is possible

But point well taken and humor is always a welcome break from the anal retentive world of Tweekers who reside Stateside

Sometimes drinking a six-pack of lagers(beers)/pulling some bonghits of some pleasant bud/and maybe some good satisfying sex with some female be-it your girl or a "hit&run-------> " and netting the relaxation you would experience from such a prescribed measure would be a good Rx for all Tweekers of whom reign in the Land-O-Yankees.



Me personally, ain't nothing better than some kick-ass sex with a hot/drunk&willing slut for a smile on me face and an enjoyfull lot of drags on me Marlboro!!

<------best attempt at Yankee Dry humor I could conjure up on the spur of the moment(let aone the Xanax/weed/opium/Lagers in me tum)

I grew up with an English Mum and have an uncle in New Zealand(South Island) and have always had a soft spot for Irish/Brits/Kiwis and you from the Land of Oz.

hehe.......hows that for a worthless informative but hopefully somewhat humorous for ya?!



BTW......ready for Spring yet?!

Days are starting to get shorter up here already;(

im still enjoying winter actually and taking every opportunity to get east for some snow skiing--over here in the west the summers are woefully hot and dry--the favourite activity during these times appears to be having sex with your airconditioner which gives the sheep a well needed break--so as you can imagine,with me not being inclined to the ewe as a bed partner im in no hurry to see the rain disappear

Man I was taking a drink of beer as I read this and shot it through my nose from laughing so hard man!!



Then after about five minutes to come to grips I'll be damned if I didn't do it again

Nice!!.....very nice!!

I dig your style at humorous recitalles of life in Oz.

That was a good'n.

Sex with air conditioners.............now theres a provactive thought!!!



<-----still laughing.............

Thanks!

I needed that!

Cheers and this Buds for YOU!

I have about a 1/2lbof crushed up psodoephedrine pills,All the pils were cruched up and filtered using fine metal grate, all the exterior of the pill was left in the part that wasnt filtered through and discarded.This is the part with all the crap in it like wax, some binders. Any way I soaked this left over pure white psedo powder material in acetone for about 10 mins and then filtered it outusing some coffe filters, after this there was just sludge that dried into more of the white powder, the left over on the bottom side of the filter was just acetone, and Im back where I started from,......damm. Im under the impression that this step is for purifying the pseudo but the stuff I have maybe is pure enough as I was able to remove the kinda whitish plastic shell...Any help/ideas?

ok,im having to flick back to your post all the time as its not easy to gather exactly what your doing--here goes--im hoping you ground them pills up to fine dust (next time get a little hand held coffee grinder)--now the cocksuckers at warner lambert and the other pill makers have got the suedo to actually cleave to the binders--so you gotta do something called reverse engineering--what they do/we undo---to assist in the uncleave--friends soak the pill mass in mineral turpentine100% for 12 hours(this actually appears to disolve the glues and helps to unbind everything)--now friends add toluene to 3 times the volume of pill mass--friends heat this to 110c or to when it begins to simmer(1000s of very fine little bubbles)friends hold this at simmer for 8 mins(this gets out that last bit of water and melts any glues holding the suedo to the shit) whilst heating and simmering friends stir continuosly and scrape the bottom of the beaker as youll have a residue that adheres to the bottom which will burn ( this ruins a percentage of the suedo and discolours and leaves a bad taste)now friends do this toluene wash 3 times--each time draining through filter and folded unbleached paper towels (change filters and towels after each time)--now let the pill mass cool--now do 2 acetone washes-filtering using the same method---now do your extraction of the suedo from the pill mass--filter this solvent--now freeze it for 3 hours and refilter( this gets the last of the waxs out and it allows the lactose to solidify as lactose is a milk product which freezes at 0c) --now do an a/b extraction--now your ready to go to your annie and metal or redphos/iodine reduction----you must look at what i have written and decide for yourself what you have or havent done--any questions and ill be only to happy to answer--good luck

Wow morgan thanks , thats the first constructive reply I've recieved. I believe the problem that I had was I let the pulverized pills soak in acetone and only for about 10 mins , then went to coffee filter.Do you know any websites that offer scientific data to study about this...Also if I were to have pure ephedrine I obviously could bypass these other steps (right),Im looking into getting the real thing. Thanks for the great post...

oh yeah--itd be handy to know what the ingredients of the pills are as we are getting a few brands now that are adding glucodin and glutomate--its been found that to remove these 3 acetone washes are required--also different is the acetone must be heated (when you do it youll notice the acetone will boil but still be cool---you gotta get it hot--real hot) hold it at that temp for 5 mins--this should remove any of the new substances those wankers have put in----what must never be forgotten is that every time you do a wash you will lose 3% to 5% of the suedo--this can not be avoided--no matter how insoluble suedo is in the solvent being used --so looking into the future--if the chemical engineers for the pharmacuetical companies keep adding more crap requiring more washes then they will win in the end

yeah mate--if you can obtain pure ephedrine or psuedo you can go straight to your reduction--a lot of people would kill to have that ability--and if you wish to read further on these matters--go to www.rhodium.ws (http://www.rhodium.ws) then go to the chemistry page--good luck

hey racaa, on these long posts i write, im always in such a hurry i leave something out--i didnt want to take it for granted you knew and i dont wish to be insulting to imply you dont-- befor the a/b extraction,the solvent you used to extract the psuedo from the pill mass must be evaporated after yourve got it out of the freezer and filtered it--from memory methanol is around 68c so keep it to 50 is best--watch it always--last third let evaporate on no heat good luck

Morgan, I guess alot of people out there have to deal with some quite crappy pills that have a bunch of waxes and crap,I have seen the sudafed brand that have a red, almost rubbery layer.Luckily I have found pills that are 240mg and 120 in size and they just have a thin whitish layer around them, no acetomenphin for the headaches/pain basically the ingredients just list 120mg pseudo or 240mg pseudo.

Morgan, have you ever heard of a way of washing using an electrified very fine mesh screen.I read on some page something about this and I didnt believe it, especially scince the other info. seemed bogus.Whats you ideas on this or do you have a preferred methods/tactics of washing the pill mixes...

to answer you on the first question, if your not dealing with anything annoying- then a turps soak- 3x tol wash-cold acetone wash-extraction freeze- a/b- youll be then right to go---- on the 2nd, i presume your talking washing for impurities in the pill mass as a a electrified fine mesh screen is used from grading diamonds coming out of a volcanic pipe in an iron and granite rock formation to bacteria sizing--i cant say i have heard of washing through an elec mesh screen,nothing comes to mind,filtering perhaps--quite a few automated systems these days take the sample and will prepare it themselves--but we are talking samples for quantative analysis or similar reasons--the amount inserted into the machine is normally 2ml to 5 ml---so you can imagine what is washed wouldnt be worth the effort--for your own knowledge--the term washed is used when you wish to describe a solvent that a compound is soluble in,being used to absorb that compound---3rd Q--my prefered method---friends think friends have displayed friends hand on how friends deal with the chemical engineers at warner lambert in texas--these guys are some of your countries finest and most highly educated mud men in the world--there on about $280,000 a year with perks to die for and a cut of the profit if they come up with something--mathematics is a young mans sport--from reports they burn out by 30--thats it no new ideas--the chem engineers only are beginning at that age--people far better than i have been able to keep ahead of them in the game of get the crap out of the pill base game---friends prefered method is the one for the pill friends are given to work with--but the methods ive previously written of are close--there a combination that changes to what problems friends face--keep at it--the learning curve is massive--only a few months and youll have it where your changing to suit the pill