Apart from rhodium, where might an aspiring new bee search for information on obtaining his wings? My number one problem is that I've found so much conflicting information, I just don't know what to believe anymore.Another concern of mine is that the people who write up these synths have done it so many times, that they probably omit small yet crucial details that they don't even think about anymore, as they just come naturally. Acidmelt, Tryptamine,Gotta, what should i believe?

Also, another question: If I've got pills with no povidone in them, can I use an older, simpler extraction technique?

I haven't seen meth in over a year now. Seems like nobody bothers to make it up here any more, which is odd because before the complete dry spell, it was rampant.

yes if you have pills with no povidone you could certainly do away with some aspects of the clean though id still do the mineral turps soak--one toluene wash--an acetone wash--the metho extraction then an ab extraction--ive found if anything--the recipes at rhodium are a bit over engineered--there appears nothing they have left out--it would be handy if you could tell us what method your using--is it red phos and iodine or are you going the birch with ammonia and sodium metal

One can never seem to be to suspicious of new pills however if one has some nice old ones or a good source by all means....

quote:Originally posted by morgan:

yes if you have pills with no povidone you could certainly do away with some aspects of the clean though id still do the mineral turps soak--one toluene wash--an acetone wash--the metho extraction then an ab extraction--ive found if anything--the recipes at rhodium are a bit over engineered--there appears nothing they have left out--it would be handy if you could tell us what method your using--is it red phos and iodine or are you going the birch with ammonia and sodium metal

Swij is planning to do an RP/I rxn, but that is still a long way away. Swij still thinks he needs to do more reading on the subject before he even thinks about attempting his first rxn. Also, swij’s girlfriend has a problem with him boiling solvents in the apartment, so swij has to scope out a safe spot to set up shop. She’s probably right, anyways.

The pills Swij was planning to use are Life brand pseudo 60’s, and they don’t have any povidone in them. Swij wonders if maybe they don’t put foilants in the pills up here in the great white north. We don’t have the same “war on drugs” that you guys have down there, and drug laws are generally more lax here. Besides povidone, what else might be in the pills that would stop me from doing the simple, outdated method that’s described in Curbshot’s Nano? (soak in denatured alcohol, put in freezer, etc., etc.)

Depending on the amount SwiJ is planning on using, the solvent boil is surprisingly unsmelly. SwiM says he has boiled 3*24 packs of 60mg with virtually no smell at all.

Turn off all sources of naked flames, don't smoke & it should be fine.

ps: SwiJ will be using an ELECTRIC burner & NOT a GAS burner? Don't even consider heating ANY solvent over a naked flame.

Swij knows enough not to use an open flame. If the smell isn't that bad, then maybe Swij will just wait untill his girlfriend leaves for the weekend and go for it.

What other gakks besides povidone might there be in a pill?

[This message has been edited by JibJunkie (edited 07-24-2003).]

The only other gaak SwiM is aware of is Poly Ethylene Glycol (PeG), there may be others though.

If Peg OR pov are present AND the pills contain Hypromellose (HydroxyPropylMethylCellulose), the pills are DMF if not they are NDMF.

Check the E-gull, IDEA method at Rhodium for an explanation of this, even if SwiJ does not plan on using the method.

junkie--do yourself a favour and stop implicating yourself hahaha

quote:Originally posted by morgan:

junkie--do yourself a favour and stop implicating yourself hahaha

I didn't implicate myself. I implicated swij.

These are some of the other things found in some of those types of pills...

Brompheniramine, Phenylpropanolamine, Phenylephrine, Carbinoxamine, Chlorpheniramine, Diphenhydramine....and there are others. Switrd found that the generic version of the sudafed is always cheaper, and can contain LESS inactive ingredients than the brand name.

Ahh the great white north well that changes everything... SWIFG has dreamed of being told of bottles of ephedrine capsuls still being sold OTC there with minimal adulterants. He suggested SWIJ should prob look for those even though he has never dreamed of using ephedrine it shouldnt pose a problem and has heard a few dreamers saying with no real logical explaination that product useing ephedrine as a start seems to have slightly longer legs etc.