someone? please?

An A/B is (acid/base) extraction. Some people (not me) like to extract eph/psupoo

through a ph phasing. Ephedrine HCI is an

isometric "salt" molecule that is soluble

in water. For some reason a lot of these guys like to use pills they know are filled up with craps like polymer(plastic,rubber like) bonders that prevent easy changes to

molecule state of ephedrine HCI. To perform an acid/base extraction you would take

some Distilled water, making sure the ph of the water IS BELOW 7. Dissolve your crushed pills in this (slightly acidic) water.

Your ephedrine will stay a HCI instead of a base. Filter this liquid/pill goo through

1 coffee filter 2-3 times for cleaniest.

Now add some lye(or a baser) till this same

water is at a ph of say 10, this will freebase your <ephedrine> to Ephedrine instead of Ephedrine hydrochloride. Now at this point pour some Colemans fuel or toluene

into this water that you just based. Shake

this together for 2 minutes then let sit for

say 30 minutes. What happens is the freebase

ephedrine wants to not BE dissolved in water

so it starts "migrating" to your toluene/Colemans. After a while most of your

Ephedrine(freebase) IS dissolved into the Fuel/solvent layer. dont get confused, here

you can use any one mixture of Non-polar solvents you like or just one. Colemans is

a good one to use hence I know it works.

now.....This process of acid/basing rids some

if not most bullshit fillers or "gooks" from

your dissolved pill water. DO NOT ADD ANY

OF FILTERED GOOK IN COFFEE FILTER TO

Dissolved/filtered water/ephedrine water.

OK back to the solvent layer with freebase in it. Get some fresh D-h20 add some muriatic

acid to this fresh water till it gets to a

ph of 5 or 6. NEVER 7. Now that you have

1 jar 1/3rd full of (slightly acidic) water,

and 1 jar 1/3 full of fuel/eph(FRBASE) DUMP

the solvent/freebase into the jar with

slighlty acidic water. Shake this up for 5 minutes. Let (setlle/separate) sit for 30

minutes. Now your Ephedrine(FREEBASE) will

"migrate" into the water WHILE it is becoming

a "HCL-oric salt". After say 30 minutes,

your Ephedrine HCI should be DISSOLVED in the

water layer. Save these layers to play with.

The last water layer that we mentioned with

the Ephedrine now a HCI, should be evaporated

any way you want, during evaporation you will

generate VISIBLE Ephedrine HCI "salt" to use

for your reduction ingr. Get it.......

The exact same proccess is what takes the

reduced ephedrine HCI(meth HCI) from layer to

layer into water then evaporation occurs to produce crystal.......Meth HCI....

See its not neccesarily CRYSTAL Meth-a, if it is in rocky/powder form, its not crystalled.

Using the EPH/METH A/B example is the easiest

example I know of, Hopefully you are not trying to make Crystalled Cokain. And are not "freebasing" your banana smelling coke.

You can also look on the internet and get a better explanation of this acid/base atrraction of molecules at a science website.

for any number of HCI isomers or freebases

of whatever.

Although Frog has the right idea here with his description of the A/B process, for most pills nowadays, this method will NOT work.

Most people must use a waterless A/B in order to sidestep the Dry Matrix Formulation. Intoducing water to the DMF will cause the pill mass to swell and gel. It's pretty much impossible to work with then.

Lukky D

Lukky, I am unsure about the waterless A/B, I will search for waterless a/b using the phuckin search engine but if you do

decide to type a short example of a waterless

A/b exctraction it will probably be of use by

both of us reading this particular thread.

also a DMF as I know is a buffer that has

a lot of carbo-hydroxy groups on its structure, making sense of when adding water

it will "gel". Although Ive never experienced a gelling of extractions when using 1part water WITH 1 part acetone(dry).

ok,,,

phrog check out this thread for the latest and best waterless extraction of the latest gakk infested pills from the chem wizards and while im at it id like to thank those guys for their tireless effort in making this info available to people like SWIM who would never in a million years come up with this solution.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum26/HTML/001935.html

again copy and save/print this method.

[This message has been edited by Wicked_Rain (edited 07-08-2003).]

Where the phuck to you get pills without all the gaak in them?

Phuck you hoto

Go to your nearby Gas station, look for a white bottle, (depending on where the phuck)

that says /Pseudo 60's/ on it. Or Max 2-way.

These are the "no-gaak" style pills that

produce prolly 95% return if not 99%.

Then figure out where the fuck you went to school at, and convince the principal you need several more years of schooling.