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Laboratory Tips Safety proceedures, test reagents, drilling rubber stoppers, bending glass tubes, etc. Contributed to by chemists.

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Old 2003-07-04, 06:10
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This is for all newbees who are attempting a curbshot nano and experiencing difficulties or irratic results. I believe curbshot originally designed this method to allow the novice to get back SOMETHING instead of NOTHING. I think it may be too elementary and crude for the newbees here.

If you are not willing to spend a little money and do a little work, don't bother with this thread. If you have experience in these matters and wish to contribute, please stay on topic.

The topic is how, why and where to obtain real labware, how to store it, experiences breaking glass and such. I'd like to make the ghetto stuff another thread, but whatever. Who knows when I will follow through.


alllllrrrighty then.....

For nymph and miss--

First things first. Part of the problem is the equipment. Test tubes and light bulbs ain't gonna cut it. You've already invested enough time, money, and effort to consider using the proper equipment. There are two ways to look at this. First, at least one 500ml. round bottom flask with 24/40 ground glass joint, heating mantle, controller for heating mantle, and a allihn condenser as long as you can afford, but at least 300mm, 500ml. seperatory funnel with teflon stopcock (this is a must) and some kind of stand to hold it. Thats it. Ebay will yank about 125 bucks out of your pocket. Get a cardboard box and some foam (like the stuff in a couch cushion sittin' out on someones curb at least once a week) then make cutouts and store the box where your winter sweaters are. No sweat.

OK, fine. You don't want to spend money or find somebody to ship the ebay stuff to. You'll just have to make it yourself. If you are not creatively inclined, you'd be better off sticking to the first idea. If you can afford the precursors that are being wasted, then you can afford the right equipment. On the other hand, it really kicks ass to make the things you need from stuff in your house. Best of all, its free (labor not included).

Where the hell did I leave that pi...., oh, there it is. Hang on a minute. Well, maybe more than a minute. Damn butane.

Anyway, the boiling flask can be a clear jar, 8-16 oz (250-500ml.), short and squaty like a jelly jar or some kind of sauce. The grocery store is a wealth of great equipment and you get to eat the contents first. Be warned!!! If you use glass that is not pyrex or kimax, you run the risk of it cracking from the heat. Swigotta has used many jars that are not lab glass and has broken few. You have to consider this:

If you have a 30-40 gram cook goin for 36 hours and you know for damn sure you can't stay with it the whole time, do you really want to trust a jar when a 15 dollar flask can put your mind at ease? Shit that takes 15-20 minutes at <80C, use a jar. If its the reduction, use the best equipment you can.

I'm not going to talk about individual ghetto devices, but if everything goes well tonight, time wise, there will be some threads popping up soon.

See how much you can come up with and give me an update ASAP. Until then, don't waste anymore of your hard earned precursors.

I remember a movie where a lady had on a fur coat and an animal rights activist came up to her and said, "Do you know how many animals had to die to make that coat?". The lady replied, "Do you know how many animals I had to fuck to get this coat?!" I have no idea why that came to mind other than precursors are hard to come by, conserve and preserve them. Get back to me when you come up with something.

Gotta gotta gogo
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Old 2003-07-04, 10:59
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first.... HAPPY 4TH TO EVERYONE!!!! now for the question. i noted some websites posted in earlier threads about how to get some "real" equipment, but for now imagined this....took a small canning jar, cooked on electric heater w/themometer?

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Old 2003-07-04, 16:22
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So far Swigotta has pinged 3 pint sized mason jars and 2 half pints. They all have cracked when temps went beyond the 50C mark. Its a scary sound. It says, "Haul ass and get another container before I dump this shit everywhere and totally ruin your whole day." I say, "Yes, sir!"
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Old 2003-07-04, 16:54
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gogo is right . lab equment is a must . swim has used the getto and the first time he dumped a 2oz rxn in the floor . you get the drift . ebay is cool for lab glass . most jars are to thick and dont heat right hence cracking or breaking. and mantles thay stay the same heat unlike hotplates and oil .sure you can use a pop bottle for a sep funnel . but thay suck get a real one and you will see what i mean . as for condencers there is no getto that will work as well . oh hell i need to shut up and go to sleep but not on this weekend ..
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Old 2003-07-04, 18:41
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swil has 2- 500ml rb flask, mearsuring cups with lip (like a beaker) other various jars,filters, funnels, bouncie balloons and a very hi-tech getto funnel that works great. swil also has lad grade I2 and lab grade RP (not matchbox or tv rp)when swil uses all of the psuedo swil has then swil will use ve's extraction to make more.

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Old 2003-07-04, 18:49
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oh yeah swil can only dream durning the week when other half is sleeping or when swil is off work durning the day cause all the fucking people who comes over and stays on the weekend. (no one knows about swil not even swils other half) HA! HA!
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Old 2003-07-04, 19:08
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quote:Originally posted by loutre bottom mistress:

swil has 2- 500ml rb flask, mearsuring cups with lip (like a beaker) other various jars,filters, funnels, bouncie balloons and a very hi-tech getto funnel that works great. swil also has lad grade I2 and lab grade RP (not matchbox or tv rp)when swil uses all of the psuedo swil has then swil will use ve's extraction to make more.

your off to a good start . but 1 thing you said tv rp ? there is no rp in a tv
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Old 2003-07-04, 19:25
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GREETINGS FELLOW DREAMERS!!! RAPTOR HAS BEEN A LONG TIME READER AND GATHERER OF THE "DREAMS" AND HAS AMASSED HIMSELF QUITE A HANDSOME LIBRARY.ONLY NOW DOES HE FEEL CONFIDENT TO POST WITHOUT MAKING A COMPLETE ASS OF HIMSELF! -LOL- RAPTOR ALSO HAS TAKEN THE TIME AND EFFORT TO INVEST IN "REAL" GLASS WARE.HIS IS THE PURSUIT OF DREAMING ONLY THE BEST FOR SELF GRADIFICATION{&SELF INDULGENCES!}FOUND A SURPLUS LAB WEAR WAREHOUSE NOBODY CAN BEAT!I DONT KNOW FOR SURE IF ITS COOL TO POST THE SIGHT,IF SO I WILL LATER. EXAMPLE:1000ML SEPRATORY FUNNEL LESS THAN 20 BUCKS! ANYWAY,I HAVE EXPERIMENTED WITH CURB SHOT AND WITH PERSONNEL MODIFICATIONS,HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DUPLICATE IT ADOZEN OR SO TIMES.I STICK TO THE PERSCRIBED MEASUREMENT BUT I PREFER A 250ML STOPPERED FLASK ON A HOTPLATE AT A CONSTANT 150 DEG.FOR 1 HR. AFTER 15 TO 20 MIN. OF NO HEAT INITIAL REACTION,THEN INCREASE TO 170 DEG. FOR 30MIN TO 1 HR.{I LOOK FOR THE LIQUID TO CLEAR SOMEWHAT AND THE RED TO BE VISIBLE IN THE BOTTOM SO THE LAST STAGE VARIES IN MY DREAM.THRU THE ONE HOLE STOPPER I HAVE A 2" GLASS TUBE THAT CONNECTS TO 2 FT OF 1/4" ID BRAIDED LINE WITH MY "PARTY BALLOON" ATTACHED TO THE TO TOP. I SECURELY TAPE THE LINE TO THE WALL SO IT IS FULLY VERTICLE. WHEN I SWIRL MY FLASK I ALSO GENTLY FINGER FLIP THE HOSE TO FORCE THE CLIMBING DROPLETS BACK DOWN INTO THE REACTION, KINDA LIKE A MINI REFLUX!I HAVE YET TO GET THE "PULL" UNTIL I START THE COOL DOWN,IVE EXPERIMENTED WITH THE TIME OF REACTION UP TO 6 HRS.THE END RESULT WAS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE 1 TO 2 HR.RUN.WITH SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT OF MIX ONCE ITS CONVERTED ITS DONE! I COMPLETE THE SYNTH VERBATEM ON AMOUNTS BUT PREFER ZYLENE AS NP.ALSO INCLUDE 2 SMALL WASHES FOR PERSONNEL PREFERENCE,ALSO FIND THE WASH TO EDUCATIONAL FOR FUTURE,LARGER,DREAMS! I ALSO DO A DUAL SOLV CRYSTALIZATION MAINLY,AGAIN, FOR PRACTICE! PERSONALLY,IVE USED THIS NANO TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE AND ADD STEPS OR CHANGE STEPS WITH EACH DREAM.OVER A YEAR OF READING AND EDUCATING,COUPLE OF MONTHS OF EXTRACTION AND PRACTICING SMALL SCALE,I ONLY NOW FEEL LIKE I HAVE A CLUE,BUT,STILL MUCH TO LEARN IN THE PURSUIT OF PERFECTION! THINK ABOUT THAT FELLOW "NEWBS" BEFORE YOU ASK THAT STUPID"WANT SOMETHING FOR FREE" QUESTION AND ARE TAKEN TO THE WOOD SHED BY THE "MASTERS"-LOL-ITS NOT EASY,ITS CHEMISTRY,I PREFER TO TREAT IT AS AN "ART".SORRY FOR THE LONGASS POST!CURBSHOT 7/3 IS REALLY GOT ME TWEAKIN!OYEAH,WITH PRESCRIBED MEASUREMENTS I HAVE SEEN MY GRADIFICATION INCREASE AND FINALLY PLATEU AT .75 TO .77GRM.THANKS FOR THE VINE AND MANY HAPPY DREAMS!
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Old 2003-07-05, 03:53
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Right on Dom....maybe you could unstick your caps button next time. Thanks
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Old 2003-07-05, 10:54
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pikk- swil doesn't know anything about tv rp but swim told swil thats where they got there rp and swil has seen and tested swims end product. although swim maybe a lier who knows!!!!

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Old 2003-07-05, 19:36
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gogo sorry to take your thread of its subject .

LBM heres some info for you.

hope this helps you out .

The coating on the inside of TV (and other) CRT's is called a "phosphor". It gets its name from the same (greek?) root as the element "phosphorus", which means "light bringer", IIRC.

The phosphor coating inside a CRT consists of compounds that give off visible light when hit by a high-velocity beam of electrons. They are generally made from exotic rare-earth materials like yttrium and lanthanum, as well as more common things like lead silicate, lead sulphide, and barium carbonate, depending on the color of light desired. Color CRT screens actually consist of a matrix of dots or stripes of 3 different phosphors, emitting red, green, and blue light. But they DO NOT contain phosphorus, AFAIK. They are, however, highly toxic substances, and are contained inside a high-vacuum glass envelope that can send sharp glass fragments flying into your face when it implodes. The tubes also can retain a high voltage charge which will give you a healthy shock unless properly discharged. Not a device worth playing around with unless you know what you are doing.
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Old 2003-07-06, 01:50
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Sleep just messes up my whole day. Its almost night again and I haven't hardly done a thing. Oh, well.

I see everybody else decided to stay up and party without me. Thats alright though. Pikk, I'm gonna copy that post and save it for the fifteen thousand times I will hear someone say they scraped red out of an old tv set. I've been trying to debunk that myth forever now and it just won't die. Your information is the most concise yet. It is also exactly, precisely the way the myth came about in the first place.

This got me thinking, and I don't want to wander off too far, about how many people in the general public lie about insignificant things. Then I multiplied that by a thousand and thats how many jikkers lie about shit just to make themselves look better, or to save face. That would be a good thread. "Tell the truth. The only way we will know its the truth is if it doesn't make you look good or is something you fucked up." A little long, but not bad.

Alright, alright, alright...

Lets talk about condensers. It occured to me recently, probably a coupla hours ago or a day or.......it don't matter...anyway, it occurred to me that a big assed allihn 7 bulb would be very inefficient for a 5-10 gram nano and a 250mm west would be shooting across the room with an acid tail in about a half hour if attached to a flask with a coupla o.z.'s inside.

So, if you had to buy just one, which would it be? If you choose the big one, it will be more difficult to establish a reflux on small reactions. If you get the small one, you can't do larger reactions without the risk of opening up a big can of worms. Sorry, but Swigotta doesn't have that problem. The big bastard has one for every possible configuration and treats them as if they were his prize ho's. (oh, baby. You sure are looking clean today. I can see my reflection so good I can tell I need another hit; lookin' a bit tired.) What a friggin' psycho. I'm not gtonna say yet which I'd choose or why, cause I wanna cheat and see what somebody else that knows more than I do says and copy theirs.

Hey Domi--

Welcome. The caps thing has already been nicely addressed, but I would just like to add that its like having a conversation with someone who is screaming. It makes me nervous.

Ok, ok, ok.

Now, about your post. I wrote a friggin' book last night and couldn't finish, so fuck it. Here's what I think I wanted to say.

First, unless this is just a different identity for someone who is posing, it is probably the best first post I have ever seen. I didn't think it possible for anyone to spend a year researching, learning, and practicing, and never have the overwhelming urge to say something. So, if I may, I'd like to take a look at what you had to say.

Listing sources are generally taboo. I don't know why. Although here, there are daily violations. That still doesn't make it ok. If someone wants it bad enough, try the email thing. (you have to have a legit email, though)

The big question I have is that next part. I think it says you are going with temp=150-170. Is that ferenheit? Then you stick with curb's ratios. I forget, but I think he recommended E=1, rp=1 or 1.5, and I2=2.0 maybe. I sure the hell can't remember the water, but it was a matter of drops, right? And how about the peroxide? I never could understand using an oxidizer in a reduction reaction.

Ok, so if these are somewhat correct observations, I must say that I cannot believe that the reaction was complete, or even beginning to convert the intermediates in that time with that temp. I'm not trying to pull any punches here, but the end result was pseudo and some intermediates. If there are further modifications to the procedure that will clarify, please share because I, for one, am very interested. The book I wrote last night included the lame brained idea I convinced Swigotta to try and he's still pissed at me for wasting his time and my money. Best pseudo I';ve ever smoked, though. Short reactions only work if you fry the shit out of them. If you do that, you end up with overwired space dope and thats only if you get the water right. The debate will probably go on forever, and I don't want to hash it here, but this reaction, with these reactants, will not produce good meth using any form of the quick method. Please note that I didn't say it would produce some meth, just not good meth.

The ghetto condenser you have(and it is, in fact, a condenser) is easy and good. My question is, but the low temps may have already answered it, Does the reaction chew up the stopper? Is it a plain ole black rubber stopper?

I don't know shit about push/pull technique. I believe its essentially a ghetto technique designed for the impatient. It is not a legitimate technique. The balloon sucks down while cooling whether the reaction is complete or not. Swigotta once was doing a cooler reaction with the balloon tied directly to the flask neck. (the absolute best technique for beginners, but only if they practice patience and restraint.) When he gott done, he turned off the heat and went upstairs to get something. He gott sidetracked and forgot about it. An hour or so later, he jumped up and ran downstairs to find that the balloon had sucked completely into the flask and had formed itself to the inside wall. When he cut the balloon the shit splashed out on the countertop and was all over the balloon. I tried not to laugh as he is quite big, quite pissed off, and doesn't have much of a sense of humor. (I know you think you do, but you really don't. That really wasn't very personal, so go away.)

Oh, yeah. Dual solvent is a technique that is not an option for the craftsman. It is the only way to naturally put your signature on the final product. Since you are still experimenting, maybe you could let us take a peek at your method. Swigotta thinks Worlock is king of the meth gods, kinda like Zeus, because his base technique for the cavern crystal formation look of the product he shares with friends, came from Worlock's dual solvent technique. Worlock's straightforwards techniques and extremely brilliant mind are well worth reading (even laminating) for all newbees.

We're unworthy! We're unworthy!

There's more, but I can't type very fast and I gotta gogo. See if you can shine a little light cause it would be great to get the whole thing done reaction, extraction, and recrystallization in 5-6 hours instead of 48.

One more thing. You don't hear much about xylene as post rxn. solvent of choice, but I know someone who wouldn't have it any other way.

literally.
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Old 2003-07-06, 17:07
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Oh, yeah. Dual solvent is a technique that is not an option for the craftsman. It is the only way to naturally put your signature on the final product. Since you are still experimenting, maybe you could let us take a peek at your method. Swigotta thinks Worlock is king of the meth gods, kinda like Zeus, because his base technique for the cavern crystal formation look of the product he shares with friends, came from Worlock's dual solvent technique. Worlock's straightforwards techniques and extremely brilliant mind are well worth reading (even laminating) for all newbees.

We're unworthy! We're unworthy!

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yes gogo you are worthy this is why he gave you this gift . of all the bees i know worlock is one of the most down to earth guys you could know.but enough of this stuff.

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There's more, but I can't type very fast and I gotta gogo. See if you can shine a little light cause it would be great to get the whole thing done reaction, extraction, and recrystallization in 5-6 hours instead of 48.

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as for getting it all done in five or six hours . this is a fast hot cook.swim will stick to a reflux . having done it both ways fast and hot makes for some hardkore tweaking dope.

some might like this . but swip likes the smooth reflux dope . just my opion , witch dont mean shit



now get back to you teaching gogo

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Old 2003-07-07, 02:59
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Pikk,

I always thought you being a master of the ancient arts of birching?

Can´t believe you having left your beloved annie.....
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Old 2003-07-07, 03:10
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quote:Originally posted by stochiometria:



Pikk,

I always thought you being a master of the ancient arts of birching?

Can´t believe you having left your beloved annie.....

Stiochemetry,

pikk is not a fagget like you, if you

wanna talk some "beloved annie shit" talk to

me honey. If you like Birch reductions,

I can reduce your wifes pocketbook soon

after dinner, someone should bust a glass dick on your face puto.

This is Lab Tips, Not METH LAB TIPS, all

tweekers drop your lighters at the door ok?
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Old 2003-07-07, 05:19
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quote:Originally posted by stochiometria:



Pikk,

I always thought you being a master of the ancient arts of birching?

Can´t believe you having left your beloved annie.....

oh swip would never leave her but he has always liked to do them both . swip has only been birching for about 6 years . he started the rp/i2 thing long before that . good to know them both .

now i have a question for you what the hell does your name mean.
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Old 2003-07-07, 10:57
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go-gos on the right track youd save yourself time and a possible batch or two getting pyrex or kimax ware.once switmg witnessed someone warming up some colemans in what appeared to be thick strong glass,when it got hot the bottom fell out and colemans spilled everywhere and whoosh it took 3 extingiushers to put out the blaze.may sound stupid to some but these are things one must think about.its easy to obtain 500 ml rb flasks because they are often used as sterile eyewash bottles you can get a case of them(kimax brand)12 in a case for $46.oo.stay away from ghetto glass and always have an extinguisher nearby.it seems as if you had some eye wash solution near your 500 ml flask it wood bee very explainable.keep up the good work go-go.god bless you
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Old 2003-07-07, 20:37
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Thanks for the reply guys, now that I'm educated to the cap rule I'll try to comply, shit I do good to hunt and peck my way thru.YES..apon futhure review i guess i was kinda "in ya face" scream out loud, told ya it was my first time, tweakin' and wet with anticipation...whatta ya expect? -HAHAHA- I'm probably older than most who dream here and age has brought a measure of wisdom, patients is a virtue, anything worth doing is worthy doing right, etc,etc.. I was a daily reader of chemhead ,but never a registered member and was lost until I found the totse link,life is goooood again! Now,moving on, HELL yes I've had an overwhelming urge to post/reply but I decided early in this quest to seek my own course until I speak with some knowledge, I can't stand the gimme,gimme, gimme newbs and refuse to be associated in that relm, they and "LORD" dumbass deserve one another..nuff said, glad AC and the rest of the true dreamers ran his ass off..fuckin' physo. I have only the upmost respect for all of you who know your shit, sitting back and observing its not hard to pick yall out. I am your humble "Grasshopper" who only seeks to gain wisdom and knowledge so he too may someday formulate,articulate,and cultivate his own crystalline dreams. O.K..enough of the ass smoochin' -LOL- Damn,I ramble so,down to business. Yes, reaction temp is ferenheit,DOMI did'nt learn metric system until college,I can convert but usually blurt out which ever comes to mind, kinda confusing so I'll be more precise in the future. DOMI'S curb mix is 1.5gm E/ 3.0gm I/ 2.0gm RP- NO peroxide, sub 5ml DH2O. Mix I/E chill in freezer 5 to 10 min. add RP,stopper, tape down, watch balloon and vessel, swirl every 2 min. when reaction slows,and balloon stabilizes size, transfers vessel to silver champaign bucket with silicone glys. heated and stabilized at 150/155 fereheit. swirl,swirl, swirl, 5 min.apart,"flip" hose to keep moisture in the "fire". 45 to 60 min. elapse color is deep red and reactants seem to be dropping back down the vessel walls as apposed to climbing. Now,increase heat to 170/175 ferenheit{ DOMI was under impression candy might be lost if reaction temp exceeded melting point of final product? yes..no..? } Liquid appears to lose some color and kinda "sits" atop the red bottom, sides of vessel are almost clean, an occasional swirl appears to produce no reaction, balloon remains taunt. I have ran this from 1 to 6 hours,at this point reaction seems suspended. Vessel is left in place and heat removed, walk away, usually 1to 3 hr.return to find vessel room temp and balloon shrunken but not "pulled" only twice has masked itself to the hose with no recorded difference in final anology. ADD 20 TO 40 ML DH2O enough to "float" contents,have done a quick boil of vessel directly on heat source a few times,seems to make rp filter easier? Liquid is filtered again,now color is medium to light yellow and clear.{when dull "reds" used liquid is darker as opposed to 120's} Basified w/t 8gm red dev.& 20ml DH2O/ SLOWLY ADDED-base mix prepared 15 to 20 min. in advance,liquid is still yellow/gold but very cloudy. DOMI'S first 2 "runs" turned to the gray blob at this point, that lead to additional reading and thus his personnel mods..who knows? Lighter fluid sucks,coleman doesn't seperate good for me,middle layer,suspect bullshit additives,could distill but DOMI prefers his zylene, pleasant aroma,pulls up quick and tight at this point 2 washes with warm DH2O-20ML each,has been added, next room temp DH2O = TO np volume is added,"stoppered and shaken" allowed to seperate,oops! first add muratic acid, DOMI adds 1 pippet drop per every 10 ml of liquid in his sepratory funnel{np&lye/dh2o}dripped onto pyrex,clear pie dish slow evap by flexible desk light@60wtts. DH2O=1/2 amt of np added to funnel,maybe 2 added drops of muratic and repeat on seperate dish. When pie dish is being moved to evap DOMI gets his first whiff of"THAT SMELL" oh hell yes! Evap leaves glass dish with..."fish scale" lookin' flakes,for lack of a better description? easily scrapped,eagerly transfered to smokin' tube, melts easily,smoke white and moderately thick,nice after taste of...uh..VANILLA BEAN"..yeah thats it! some residue,after good dry acetone wash,meth or iso melting, evapped very slowy, dry acetone added,small amount,then hot alky added by drop till slow meltdown starts, oh yeah..filtered a couple times in between."SHARD JAR" IS 125ML BEAKER, covered with plastic wrap,TIGHTLY,and placed on top of waterheater,then roomtemp cabinet,and finally da freezer. Jonens" bad,gently pour off liquid into 1 filter,gently dilute with dry acetone in filter,let dry,maybe,crystals are smallish,but, definately of a crystal formation.weigh in reveals a 50 to 55% RETURN ON THE "E" INVESTED. In the smokin' tube crystals melt easy and rapidly cool to a solid when heat removed. NO residue,much except when dumbass bro-in-law thinks it has to boil to smoke. Now, dumbass has his own consumption bowl. The effects of the little crystals is'nt the pure nirvana I envision and desire,but be it by-product or low grade beginners meth..I dunno? Everyone who has sampled got tweaked to some degree, when DOMI over induldges he flatass grinds on the shit,absolutely noone,except MS. DOMI,knows of its origin,even dumbass with his own glass is clueless. Reguardless, it damn sure feels good and offers a ray of encouragement when your dreamin' of your own creations. THE DOMINATE RAPTOR will continue to read and gain wisdom ,and hopefully, correspond in his pursuit of perfection,he has heard of the"MASTER OF METH-THE GREAT WARLOCK" but,alas,it has only been of legend, DOMI would truly cherish and respect the chance to read and study the scribes of "THE GREAT WARLOCK" such as the art of long,wet reflux, hopefully,when DOMI has proven himself worthy he can become"GRASSHOPPER"....YEAH,I know...more ass-smoochin'..BUT, with the upmost respect! hope this gives ya a little insight GOGO...4 FUCKIN' hours of hunt-N-peck..IF I left out anything,and I'm sure I did, smack-me-down and I'll get it next dream. Many happy dreams!
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Old 2003-07-07, 20:44
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Sorry guys, this hard to read bullshit format.I'll have MS.DOMI school me in proper formatting or spacing or what the hell ever I'm doing wrong. By the way GOGO..did you say I could or couldn't say WWW.SCIPLUS.COM (http://WWW.SCIPLUS.COM) FOR SUPER DEALS ON GLASS?...OOOPS! SELAH
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Old 2003-07-08, 04:18
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swinc has read many threads here and also searched hiv. couple of questions here!!

1) which is the best way to mix your RP, I, and E. i have read threads that say mix all 3 at once in any order, one to mix I,E, then RP and others say RP, E then I. is any combination the best?

2) also, i have seen put your tube or whatever you are using in the freezer before adding anything, then i have read add i, then e, then put if freezer before adding rp.

is putting tube or whatever you are using in the freezer critical to starting your rxn?

any help would be appreciated
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Old 2003-07-08, 05:02
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quote:Originally posted by cranknymph:

swinc has read many threads here and also searched hiv. couple of questions here!!

1) which is the best way to mix your RP, I, and E. i have read threads that say mix all 3 at once in any order, one to mix I,E, then RP and others say RP, E then I. is any combination the best?

2) also, i have seen put your tube or whatever you are using in the freezer before adding anything, then i have read add i, then e, then put if freezer before adding rp.

is putting tube or whatever you are using in the freezer critical to starting your rxn?

any help would be appreciated

1 . swim adds it like this e i2 rp then h2o

2 freezer this will just slow the rxn down so you can cap it . swim never does this . i dont think it is really needed
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Old 2003-07-08, 16:56
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Greetings fellow dreamers, GOGO, I'm sorry man..I had a massive brain lock in my earlier post,I misspelled the "GREAT WORLOCK" I know it's totally inexcusable but an honest oversight on DOMI'S behalf. I AM NOT WORTHY! Please extend my sincere appology to him, I'm sure DOMI will be much more dillegent in the future. Don't need the BIG GUY pissed off at some dumbass newb. A couple things DOMI missed, after basifying he separates and keeps np..of course,then does his 2 washes,and the solution in the sepratory is NOT lye/water...its the fresh DH2O acidified @ph7.2/&np ..of course. OH yeah,DOMI uses blue stoppers from a arts&craft store,they seem to be of a more plyable nature. He gets the solid ones and places the holes himself.After his little dream he washesit and connected line in d-nature,after 3rd use he discards in local fastfood dumster..HEHEHE..stoppers get harder and discolored but never have broken down even after some LARGER scale push/pull nightmares. THANKS again for the time, any insight,advice, enlightenment,corrections,or directions would be greatly appreciated... Many happy dreams!
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Old 2003-07-08, 18:59
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update from nymph to gotta.....

swinc has come across all suggested equip except for sep funnel. swinc is waiting arrival of that, but ready to go on to next phase! had a small dream last night, but alas, although swinc could "smoke" what was there...no "kick" to it. swinc took careful notes as always for retracing steps for finding her errors. can you help???
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Old 2003-07-08, 19:35
tReePHrOg tReePHrOg is offline
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Cranknymph,

Kick is directly (as far as I know) related to cooking times, skilled acid/basing

and perfect proportions of I to Rp,

2 moles of HI (acid/gas) react with 1 mole Eph hci so try upping your I/RP concentration. For small rxns try the 1:1:.333 ratio E:I:rp. then try 1:1.3:.5 E:I:RP. If nothing else and you know your water addition is not too excess in the begginning, try even Doubling I/RP to each gram of ePH. 1:2:1 E:I:RP. Also pay close attention to the small/large bubbles on top of rxn fluid during a 30 hour cook. The bubbles directly relate to the CH3 molecule

being stripped from the EPH hci molecule

(Carbon-hydrogen(3) if bubbles do not occur

during stable temperatere cooks like say 190 fahrenhight or boiling, then reduction is NOT ocuuring. A done reflux will rarely leave you with a lot of iodephedrine.

If what you smoked left no residue but had no KICK, that is undone psuedo.....step up your ratios of I and RP to E and step up your temperature/or time on heat.
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Old 2003-07-08, 19:41
tReePHrOg tReePHrOg is offline
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Also a good eyball for looks of EIRP and water in your vessel after about ten minutes

of heat to your vessel, liquid should be

DEEP red or even purplish, very viscotic(thick) viscous. It should have the consistency of slighlt thinner than mollasses

or REAL honey. Like the consistency of brake fluid for your car.
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Old 2003-07-08, 19:43
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swinc dreamed following:

1gm e

.6 gm rp

.5 ml dh20 (10 drops)

added e/rp w/dh20...shook

added 1.5 i, did not get smoke

put balloon on

cook at 75c for 2hr

cook at 90c for 4hr

had nasty smell, brown substance.

boiled for 5-10

followed a/b for newbee from here
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Old 2003-07-09, 04:14
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Pikk, stoichiometry is the quantitative relationship between reactants and products in a chemical reaction.
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Old 2003-07-09, 04:49
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quote:Originally posted by kman:

Pikk, stoichiometry is the quantitative relationship between reactants and products in a chemical reaction.

well thank you . i learn something new every day.
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Old 2003-07-09, 04:57
tReePHrOg tReePHrOg is offline
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cranknymph,

at what points in time did you notice any

bubbles on the surface? were they small? large?

Try using a 1g eph,2g I,to 1 g rphoz and 10 drops of water. In gennerallity (1:1: .33)

ratio is good but for begginners I suggest a

(1:2:1) ratio just for non-lab reactions.

Rphoz is critical in reducing iodine to

iodine anion wich reduces eph. and then from

iodine anion back to iodine. and back,reduce

tehen back again......anyway did you see bubbles?
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Old 2003-07-09, 07:30
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Thank Tryp, Pikk. He advised someone to study chemistry, and I been studyin'.
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Old 2003-07-11, 10:01
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These threads really pile up fast. The wife is probably going to file for divorce soon on the grounds that I have been cheating..........with the computer. She calls it my girlfriend.hahaha. I may not think its a joke for very much longer.

Nymph--

Believe it or not, pHrog is speaking some pretty sound words. Somebody must have upped the medication. However, you may want to try a couple of things. First, you said the reaction does not smoke when initially fired. Then you said something about a nasty brown substance. That's what may be interesting to look at. When does this brown shit appear? At first? Later? What does he mixture look like when first mixed? Like curdled blood? grey? or smooth and burgandy?

If you are using pseudo from pills, you may have a problem with one of those nasty, oily fuckers that hide in the pseudo leading you to think that those pretty white, flaky crystals are clean pseudo.

Another idea is to increase the size of the cook. The smaller the cook, the more precise the ratio must be. Try to do at least 5 grams in your nano so you will have a better shot at getting your numbers right.

These ratios are probably advantageous to you now that glassware is involved:

pseudo=1.0

rp=1.0 (if matchbook)

I=1.2 if resublimed 1.5 if DH2O washed and squeezed dry.

Did you read the modified curbshot method? Its a little oversimplified for some, but Swigotta uses it to this day for any nano under 10 grams.

Raptor--

Just a note. Worlock would shit his pants if he knew he had been classified as a long cool refluxer. He is old school and barbecues the shit out of his dope. Does it all like lens crafters...in about an hour.

How he does it, I'll never know.
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Old 2003-07-11, 22:00
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Greetings fellow dreamers, Hey GOGO, maybe we should just keep it to ourselves and not get ole WORLOCK upset by some 'tweekin' newb on a 3 day bender{LOL}. Now that the head has somewhat cleared after 24hr.nap, DOMI RAPTOR would pose this dream he's dreamed about to GOGO or anyone else who might have experienced a simular dream of a dream. LOOONG COOOL REFLUX- In the set-up I see a 500ml flat bottom flask with side nipple,for reflux condensor could a 200mm LIEBIG condensor be used? Should a coolant be continually ran thru the condensor say via small submerged pump? Would one see the stoppered top of the flask,using 1/4" glass tubing connected to the stoppered top of the condensor and if so would the condensor be at 45 deg angle,positioned above or below the reaction flask? Would return end of condensor,fitted with braided hose be returned to flask via nipple? ran to P&P SET-UP? Or line capped with balloon? Dream of dream might be 36hr.,if so how low would low heat be? Continuos for duration or raised in increments? .7ml of dh2o per each gm. of "E"in flask? Introduced at start or added at certain timed intervals like 1/3rd start,1/3rd@12hr.&1/3rd@24hr? I know its a lot of ??? but the dream is clouded and hard to locate other dreams of this dream that was interpreted and shared. ANY enlightenment or direction to enlightenment would be greatly appreciated! "MANY HAPPY DREAMS" - DOMI
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Old 2003-07-11, 22:23
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Don't be worried, Raptor. You ask good questions, and you word them in a way that we can understand. I commend you for at least putting forth that effort.

As for the dream:

The nipple in the flask should not be used here. It should be somehow capped for SWIDR's reaction. The top of the flask can be fitted with a 1-hole stopper that will fit the bottom end of the condensor. The condensor should be set straight up for the purpose intended. The 45 degree setup is used only in distillation, and isn't quite like you described.

At the top of the condensor, it should be fitted with a sturdy balloon.

Water needs to be run through the condensor from either a pump or a faucet. The water should go in through the bottom nipple, and out through the top nipple. If it's done opposite, the condensor will never fill, and will never reach full cooling capability.

With a 36 hour reflux, SWIL recommends 185 degrees. But don't quote SWIL, and don't set the timer. Reactions should NEVER be called at the set time, unless all the signs show that success has been made. Read the signs, they tell more about the reaction than the pre-sets.

Luky D
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Old 2003-07-12, 05:16
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THANKS LUKY D, RAPTOR does'nt want to come off as newb asking lots of ??? without contributing in someway. He has read and studied many good and many bad synth & extraction techniques,doesn't mind spending the dedicated hours in his "pursuit of perfection " sometimes its just seems there's not enough info or good info without seeking a lil guidance. Flat bottom flask{s} without nipple is easy to dream as raptor has taken time to slowly build his glass collection. RAPTOR is still aways from up close dream, he wants to have all his steps set-up properly and thrghly versed in them before 1 ATTEMPT ANOTHER. Until then I will continue to expand my knowledge. A couple more quickies if I may? Is "E" reduction via I2H2PO2 A true synth or just a myth for D-METH? In one of my archived "annie" files the author in it makes mention of substiuting R12 refrigerant in place of the anyh ammon,is this feasible to your or anyone elses knowledge? THANKS again LUKY D dude...you have brought lite into the darkness!..MANY HAPPY DREAMS-RAPTOR
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Old 2003-07-12, 08:56
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Lukky, I sincerely appreciate your post. It is absolutely perfect. Actually, my wife appreciates it even more than I do 'cause it gets me away from this damn machine faster

Dom--

The reason you want the condenser straight up and down is so that a reflux can be established. If the condenser is simply condensing droplets and running them back down into the mix, then it is not properly refluxing. A good reflux is established when the hot vapors are being DRAWN UP into the tube as a result of the cooling jacket of the condenser. When the correct pressure gradient is achieved you will see a thick mass of vapor suddenly stop (at what point depends on the temps of flask and cooling jacket) with very little, if any vapor moving past that point. I have no idea if this even makes any sense, but my goal was to explain the difference between condensing and refluxing. If this sounds like a stupid explaination, someone please bail me out here.
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Old 2003-07-12, 13:00
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quote:Originally posted by pikk:

oh swip would never leave her but he has always liked to do them both . swip has only been birching for about 6 years . he started the rp/i2 thing long before that . good to know them both .

now i have a question for you what the hell does your name mean.

Sorry pikk for the late answer but I come in here only seldom - ppl seem to be kind of xenophobic (disliking all strangers) here too.

The question on my name was already answered: It means "one for one" related to the atoms or molecules of reaction partners in a reaction.

And I have to agree with gottagogo: OS is no moron. His deficits are not on chemistry but in character and there they are many.

Its a funny place here - everybody is running after "heroes" not after facts.

bye

stochi
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Old 2003-07-12, 13:45
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What the heck does "chasing after heroes" mean? Oops, it was supposed to be running after "heroes". Sorry. The hive has a huge library of information with hundreds of thousands of searchable posts that can answer just about any question on the subject. Out of all of those posts, there are only a few dozen that really blow me away. I enjoy reading a post in which the writer takes a stand on a highly controversial issue and smacks the opposition to the ground with logic and rationale.

I wouldn't call that hero chasing, I call it respect or maybe admiration. Of all people, Osmium would not be very high on my list as a hero, but he sure the hell makes a good point. As a matter of fact, I don't see where he can be disputed on this particular issue.

Shit, I'm tired as hell and I don't know what I'm sayin' or even where I was goin' with this.

Anyway, hero chasing sounds like a slam and I just wanted to let you know that there has to be somebody else here that has never read the waxing peotic post by Osmium and will appreciate it for its sheer brilliance.

Osmium, a hero. Yeah, right.

Cut and paste beats the hell out of typing out a huge reply any day.

[This message has been edited by gottagogo (edited 07-12-2003).]
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Old 2003-07-12, 17:55
stochiometria stochiometria is offline
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I apologize GottaGoGo, the "...after heroes" was by no way directed to yours. So sorry - hope you can accept this excuse.

I was thinking on the broad mass of those who come and ask questions here. You are a answerer of questions thats a big difference.

My bad! Somehow always the wrong ones feel addressed - dunno how this comes.

peace!

Stochi
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