FROG; ur a little prick if swim has ever seen 1. swim has been sitting back learning on this site for awhile before swim ever registered. swim is probaly old enough to have seen the cum stain on the blanket laying on the hood of the car that you were concieved from.

swim is not the chemist type and yea, swim only knows birch. why do u think swim is here(to learn)? but for the past 25 yrs swim has kept swim and a few friends very happy.

you at times seem like a very knowledgable person but u make people not want 2 read ur post with your smart ass mouth. swim is still learning about the birch method every day(as of last night!!!!!!!!!! can u get 110g of kick ass shit from 144g of clean sueie, well swirl (another"old fogey fucker" did) and wants to hear from those that r more knowledgeable in the areas of swims dreams.

u are attempting to sling shit at one the most respected and knowledgeable dreamers on this site, like it will hurt swigotta's rep(ha, ha). so let the magic dragon fly and spread wisdow.

so FROG, slim, slim' sista or whichever the fuck u want 2 be today. LIKE this site and RESPECT those that teach or get the fuck off this site.

damn, did swim just write that! gotta, pikk(4 your help, thanx) and all that r willing to teach truthly because of the love of our dreams keep it up. you know that this will always happen(smartass punks wanting to be the "king pin") so just look past and keep dreaming.(and teaching) damn swim said it was kick ass!!!!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by 46method (edited 07-10-2003).]

[This message has been edited by 46method (edited 07-10-2003).]

I apologize, Ibi-polar.

I have a lot of young smartass friends thats were I get that bad attitude.

I apologize for the magic dragon remark.

Aaahhh! That's the beauty of cyberspace. You have time to think before you act.

You see froggy, Swigotta has an ill temper, the likes of which I hope you have never had the displeasure of experiencing. It can be quite embarrassing to be with him when someone, not unlike yourself, gets cocky and begins to mouthe off. Fortunately for you, this is not reality. The playing field is leveled when it comes to physical attributes which leaves Swigotta at a disadvantage.

BUT.....

I'm not Swigotta and I know that the advantage goes to the one who is most aptly qualified to respond to slanderous, immature posts.

So, I would like to address the areas where you have obviously misunderstood my writing styles as well as touch on a few oversights regarding my educational background (without, of course, going into any detail).

nymph--

Along the way, I would like to try to help you understand this technique as it is indespensible if your goal is quality.

Frog--

Right off the bat you said:

"see...once the solvents evaporate,

crystal methamphetamine will appear"

This is absolutely wrong. The concept of ANY dual solvent recrystallization revolves around the solubility of the substance you want to crystallize in the two(hence the word dual) solvents chosen.

In other words, an ideal dual solvent would be one solvent that the product is very soluble in when hot and insoluble in when cold and the other would be the opposite. (I don't think there is one of these, but it's just an illustration to make a point.)

And the point is--

You do not evaporate to obtain the crystals. They grow out of the solution as the solution cools. Since acetone has the ability to supercool, it becomes a good choice for the freezer technique. First year college chemistry.

Now, this next part is purely personal, so if you are looking in this post for assistance with the D/S, skip ahead.

Froggy, when I read the part about poppin my pud, floggin the dolphin, spankin the monkey, chokin the chicken.........sorry, I got a little carried away there.....anyway, it was funny as hell. At first I couldn't even tell that you were trying to insult me. It really sounded like wit. You know what wit is, don't ya? Well, I hope so, 'cause it is the basis of my writing style. If you are not aware of the definition of the word "wit", please go and look it up in Webster's. Go ahead, I'll wait.

Hum dee dum dum dee.................Hmmmm.....yep, there's still a little left in here..........I wish the wife would hurry back. I hate to load this thing myself.

OK, you're back. Now that you understand how the posts are worded, I would like to share that your analysis really made me think (That's what intellectuals do. Look it up later, we don't have time right now.) I started thinking about why I use so much sexual inuendo in my writing. I don't have an answer yet, but I really never thought about it before. I think I'll talk to the wife about that. (That's what intellectuals do also) Your attempt to relate caused me to ponder your gender. I assumed from the beginning that you are male, but if you have a hand blown glass dick and you are male, heterosexual, I would have to ask "why?"

OK, that's enough of the personal stuff. Now, back to the subject at hand.

Dual solvents are for growing crystals "in solution".

Here's some more slight inaccuracies:

froggy writes:

"ITs CALLED GLASS/METHAMPHETAMINE because of its DENSITY

they are not diamonds"

The street term "glass" originated when aminorex hit the scene and became popular. Meth cooks started using it because buyers were asking for glass thinking it was better than meth. It is better than crank. It is not better than meth. Oh, and it's not called glass meth because of it's density either. It looks loke aminorex because of it's crystal purity which makes it long, thick, and clear. When you wash a pile of crystals that have been dual solvented with cold, dry acetone, and you have cool white lighting, they look EXACTLY like a pile of sparkling diamonds. Or, so I've heard.

Now, when I stated that you can put a "shitload" of meth in a baby food jar, I was speaking relatively. You understand what I mean by relatively speaking don't ya? No, it doesn't have anything to do with your uncle Willie. It's kinda like some guy in Kentucky with a half dozen of those 22L rb flasks readin' your post and sayin', "Damn boy, 32 ounces, when you gonna gett serious and start makin' sumpin' that will last mor'n one day."

I was speaking to someone who had already stated that he was using very small quantities and experimenting, trying to expand his knowledge base and perfect a new technique. It is important to listen to those whom you desire to help. Only then will you truly be able to help.

At first, I wanted to be insulted by the following statement:

"Only now I see how absolutely immature you are by this very post"

but I soon realized that those who are quick to judge, quick to anger, and slow to understand are characterized as immature. It seems ironic that you would call me immature in a post where you define yourself as such. You must use caution when posting. Once the submit button is pressed, you cannot change what has been written. Sure, you can go back and edit or delete the post, but not if someone else has already saved it. Which I have done with yours. I also have loddymercy's stuff and suttliar's and many more. I like to save them for posterity. They are quite funny and most memorable to read.

I have wasted entirely too much time responding to this post. I actually did it because someone out there whom I don't even know, stood up for me. I appreciate it and decided that I should explain myself although I knew it probably wouldn't be necessary.

My friends and family say I talk way too much, so I guess it's true.

The bad part is that there is a lot of productive topics to talk about, and now I have wasted all of my time with this bullshit.

nymph--

I'm sorry. My time would have been better spent trying to help figure out what you may be doing wrong. There is a very good chance you are putting in too much alcohol. It's really late and the wife is going to come back in here and ask me why I'm still on the computer, but I owe you at least this:

Put meth that you have scraped up off a dry plate into an appropriately sized jar. Add a quantity of acetone, that has been previously dried over epsom salt, to the jar that is enough to cover the pile of somewhat dirty meth by about an inch. This amount is not important to get accurate. THE ACETONE DOES NOT CONTROL THE RECRYSTALLIZATION. Put the jar on medium heat. Use caution when heating so you do not break the jar. When the acetone begins to bubble a bit, add A FEW DROPS of denatured ethanol and stir. If you are using <1 gram of meth, you must pay close attention to the contents of the jar. There is a fine line between just enough and too much. As the solution gets closer to the boiling point continue adding drops of alcohol AS LONG AS THERE ARE STILL UNDISSOLVED CRYSTALS IN THE BOTTOM OF THE JAR.

YOUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A FEW CRYSTALS STILL IN THE BOTTOM OF THE JAR WHEN IT REACHES A FULL BUT GENTLE BOIL. WHEN IT IS REMOVED FROM THE HEAT, THE LAST OF THE CRYSTALS WILL DISSOLVE AWAY, AND THE CRYSTALLIZING PROCESS WILL BE SET IN MOTION.

Remember to tightly secure the lid immediately upon removal from heat. (Swigotta alwys filters immediately after removal from heat, but don't worry about it right now.)

The basic principle from this point on is too cool the solution as SLOWLY AND EVENLY as possible. If this is not convenient for you, don't worry. As soon as it is cool enough not to crack the glass, pop it in the freezer and leaqve it there for at least 2 hours. Oh, when you get it right, please post whether or not SWIY thinks the pile in the filter looks like diamondsa or not, would ya?

Do you hear what I'm sayin'!?

PS--Again, I did not proofread. Please forgive mistakes.



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hey gotta...thanks for info (nymph and swinc think you rule!!) will let you know!

phrog...why ya dissin people?

I said I apologize Im bipolr I just

read what I wrote Im so sorry now I just

hate myself. I have only done re-x-izations

with acetones, I never thought about frezzer

growing stuff though. Based on this dual solvent technique I might try the 3/4 acetone

to 1/4 denatured mix, seems like it might

work in th freezer. Ihave only done xtallizations with pebbles/powders with acetone at room temp. nowhere near experienced as Gotta though, hell I didn't know crystals would "grow" from acetone in the frizerator.

froggy--

I would think that you're schizophrenic or something. One minute you're spouting off technical shit that I don't even understand, the next you're whining like a little girl (don't take that too harshly).

You are incorrect in your assessment of my experience. Swigotta is coming along, but I am still doing the same thing that I always have--

Reading and writing.

Worlock is where I found this information and Swigotta's notebook is the only way that I know it works.

Please reread the post if you are serious about the technique because according to your post you don't understand the concept yet.

Damn, is this some good reading or not!!!