Any of you guys checked out VE's new pill extraction method. I took it over to Swigotta's last night. He laughed in my face. After I purchased all supplies with my own money, I finally convinced him to try it. Now who's laughing?

Yeah, SWIL has done some reading on it, but he has no experience with the method as of yet. This is the new method that Geez was speaking of a little while back(At the time it was classified as "Top Secret", so he didn't have all the details), that uses a mixture of MEK, xylene, and naptha.

This new extraction process has been getting some rave reviews!

Can a cut and paste be done here?

Lukky D

Puuurlease post it here, Swigotta!

i will only say two words .it's screaming!!!



but it works really well easy as hell

This is a paste up of Video Editors new technique. Saves a lot of time and hassle (and money and marriages and....)

Since it was originally posted on a public forum, I sincerely hope VE does not mind the repost. If so, I apologize.

New Straight to E -- a novel extraction tech.

(Rated as: good idea!)

The following is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not the posters intent that this information be used for anything that would be considered illegal or in violation of any international laws. The poster accepts no responsibility for any and all activities that may be carried out as a result of the information contained herein. Check your local, state and federal laws. The poster shall not be held liable and indemnified from impeachment for the use, misuse, injury, death, imprisonment or fellation due to the application of this information.

Extraction Technique: Straight to E --

A Novel Pill Extraction Technique



- Summary -

SWIVE is back with a new twist for producing clean pseudo HCL in high yields from an ever changing array of pills. It's not only water less like Straight to B, its simpler with no A/B at all. Its Straight to E or straight to the extraction. It is a simple extraction method that will bypass most of today’s modern adulterants and will return a very high yield of clean pseudo HCL. This can then be recrystallized or turned into free base to produce a pristine product. This method was written to be easily scalable and is very over the counter. Average yields have been 80% to 90% of clean pseudo HCL.

- Definitions -

In this write up SWIVE will use the phrase "for every box of pills used"

This stands for every box of 48 x 60mg, or 96 x 30mg, or 20 x 120mg or 10 x 240mg.

- Materials -

Three beakers or other heat proof glassware containers

(approximately 200ml for every box of pills used)

One elemeyer flask or other heat proof glassware container

(approximately 200ml for every box of pills used)

One graduated cylinder 100ml -200ml or other liquid measuring device in mls

Two 5" glass funnels or plastic fuel funnels

Filter Paper or coffee filters

Glass stirring rod or bamboo skewers

Hot plate

Small fan

Small scale weighing in grams

Safety glasses, latex gloves

Thermometer that is scaled to at least 120 C

- Solvents -

91% - 99% Isopropyl Alcohol (drug store)

MEK Methyl Ethyl Ketone (paint / hardware store)

VM&P Naptha - no substitutions (paint / hardware store)

(Do Not use Colemans, pet ether, lighter fluid, etc.)

Xylene (paint / hardware store)

- Drying Aids -

Oven dried Epsom Salts or Washing Soda (drug / food store)

Salt (food store)

- Abstract of Procedure -

Make extraction fluid.

Place whole pills into beaker.

Add extraction fluid.

Heat to boiling , stirring until pills dissolve

Filter while hot into elemeyer flask.

Repeat two times.

Return combined extractions to clean beaker.

Add Xylene

Heat to 105 C to boil off alcohol.

Filter out pseudo HCL

Wash pseudo HCL with MEK and let dry.

- Standard Procedure -

01) For every box of pills used: combine the following solvents and

drying materials in a clean beaker and in the following order:

- 70ml Isopropyl Alcohol

- 70ml VM&P Naptha

- 02 grams of salt

- 04 grams of dried epsom salts or dried washing soda

02) Stir with a glass rod for a few minutes, then let settle for 10 minutes.

Depending on how much water was in the isopropyl alcohol to start with the

mixture will settle into 2 layers or 1 layer with damp solids at the bottom.

Why not use pre dried solvents to begin with? - that is perfectly ok if you have them,

but I have noticed that adding the isopropyl and naptha together almost always releases

some water no matter how dry they were ahead of time so I would not skip this step.

03) Filter this into the elemeyer flask leaving any solids or bottom liquid layer

behind and then transfer this solution into the second clean beaker.

04) Place whole pills in to the third clean beaker.

Why whole pills? Don’t I need to grind them up first? - no we are trying to keep loss

to a minimum and grinding is not necessary as the isopropyl / naptha mixture will

dissolve them very well.

05) Pour 1/3 solvent mixture over pills.

06) Place the beaker on the hotplate and bring to a boil using

medium hi heat. Use the small fan to keep vapors from accumulating.

Stir occasionally with a glass rod until pills have dissolved into powder.

Let boil for 1-2 minutes

07) Place a funnel with filter paper in to the elemeyer flask.

Filter the solvent mixture while hot leaving as much of the solids

in the beaker as possible.

08) Return any solids to the beaker and repeat steps 5 through 7

two times combining the extractions in to the elemeyer flask.

09) For every box of pills used add to the combined extractions:

- 50ml Xylene



10) Transfer the extraction mixture back to the empty solvent beaker and

place the beaker on the hotplate. Bring to a boil using the small fan to keep vapors

from accumulating. Boil until the solution reaches 105 C.

11) Using a clean funnel and filter paper filter off the pseudo HCL while the

solution is hot.

12) Rinse the pseudo HCL with a generous amount of MEK while in the funnel.

13) Remove filter and filter cake from funnel and allow to dry completely.

(no more MEK smell)

14) Weight and enjoy, yield should be between 80% to 90%

DO THIS EXACTLY AS WRITTEN AND IT WILL WORK.

NO SUBSTITUTIONS!!!!!





[This message has been edited by gottagogo (edited 06-20-2003).]

Please, think about this before trying it Noobs!!! This is a great extraction process to give one some experience, but, some previous experience will be required.

For example, boiling solvents up to 105 C, is HIGHLY dangerous. Be sure to have a fan!

This method should prove to be quite universal, as it sidesteps the A/B, while maintains the waterless cure. No pH change, and no activation of the DMF.

Get a feel for it slowly. Try one(or a few) box/es first.

But bee careful with those boiling solvents please!

Lukky D

Thanks Lukky D, Swis was concerned about having

solvents at that high temp., but will be sure of fan and will experiment before trying

as to get a feeling for this.

Swigotta has spent a little time with this lately (more like 48 hours straight) and has found that although the procedure is long and tedious, it is so incredibly basic that I fear what will happen to the pill industry now.

I am trying to decipher Swigotta's notebook now, but the last batch was so energetic his writings have become almost incomprehensible.

One thing for sure--

105C is without a doubt unnecessary. A apple sauce jar filled two thirds full of alcohol and VM&P Naptha, with its quirky unpredictable boiling characteristics is just too dangerous. I went down to check on Swigotta one time and there he was, his face six inches from the jar, liquid bubbling like the wake of a speedboat, trying to read the fucking thermometer. That was it for me. So I said, "Its time to experiment with lower temps. The results are very, very interesting.

VE said he did extensive research on this and I have to believe him, but the savant has come up with some reallyn good stuff......I think.

I have to go now. The wife is waiting to go out and she is growing very impatient.

[quote]- Solvents -

91% - 99% Isopropyl Alcohol (drug store)

MEK Methyl Ethyl Ketone (paint / hardware store)

VM&P Naptha - no substitutions (paint / hardware store)

(Do Not use Colemans, pet ether, lighter fluid, etc.)

Xylene (paint / hardware store

hey SWIGOTTA i know this sounds hell of stupid and yes im a noob but can u be more specific on this whats VM&P naphta and when u say 02 grams of salt is this regular iodized table salt and epson salt whats that bro...look im in mexico and everything has a diffrent name down here so i got to find out what its used for and then take it fron there..thank you brother...

Thank you very kindly rainman. As usual, I have one foot out the door and if the wife catches me banging away on this keyboard I'm dead.

MEK- Methyl Ethyl Ketone- Its ketones basically. Similar to acetone, but evaps more slowly. Also pseudo is insoluble in it. Pseudo os slightly soluble in acetone, but you can use it as long as it is properly dried first.

Isopropyl alcohol- 70% is the one they call rubbing alcohol. You need the higher % because it is important for the resulting elixer to be dry. Gas line antifreeze is sometimes 99% isopropyl.

VM&P Naptha- Varnish Makers & Painters Naptha. This is one that you'll just have to get on the internet if its not available in your area.

Xylene- paint thinner type stuff for thinning specialty coatings such as some gelcoat paints. Used mainly in fiberglass applications. Same as above. Its this or nothing.

Plain salt, non iodized. In grocery store as plain salt.

2.0 and 4.0 grams. My usual practice is to dump a handful in, but since the % of the mixture was thought to be critical and epsoms soaks up some alcohol, I measured. 4.0 grams ain't much.

The baking of epsoms--oven full blast for an hour 300C is the goal, but you won't get it. Its ok.

As wicked said, clean, clean, clean. A little greasy spot really compromises the integrity of the baked salt.

Been getting more and more notes on this, but am VERY short on free time. I'll do my best to give you more shortcuts that work.

No time to proof read. Do it later.