ok some have been posting how do i make nh3(annie) well maybee this will help some of you . swim post this in his birch forum(CH) so here goes.

Here are the things needed

1. 3-5 gallon igloo cooler

2. 1 1 gallon cooler

3. 1 bag of 34-0-0 Fertilizer (Caution look for the one that has a oxidizer sticker on it it must be 17% amonium nitrate. It will be small white pellets and stanky.

4. 5 cans Red Devil Lye

5. JB Weld (Quick Set)

6. Plastic 5 gallon gas can

7. 30 feet of 3/8 or 1/2 precoiled aircompresser hose

8 A couple of quick disconnects (male side)for aircompresser.

9. 5 feet half inch air compreser hose

10. 3 gallons of camp fuel or acetone

11. 30-40 pounds dry ice (it sounds like a lot but normally sold in 10lb blocks

12. Either a 5th bottle or thick glass catching vessel



Ok now this is swims first right up so be patient and spelling and greammer both suck. First step take your quick disconnect that has a 1/2 threads on it take the little ecape plug out og gas can a screw it into the gas can. now you might have to bore it out some but of well make sure it is real tight and seal with jb weld. Second get your precoiled air hose. cut off the extra 20 feet because you dont need a 50 ft coil. make it 30 feet. Get some wire tyes and make sure it keeps it formnow making sure you dont fuck up the spout on your cooler. Drill 2 holes in the cooler so you can put 2 more qd(quick disconnect) in the cooler and attach hose inside and make sure all is leak proof and air tight. So now looking at the cooler you have a coil in there that has been nicley coiled up and 2 qd on opisite corners. The reason you dont fuck up the spout is so u can get back your camp fuel or acetone when you are through. Ok now get about 4 feet of aircompresser hose and connect the 2 qd one from gas can and one to top side of the coil cooler. make sure you clamp the hose on the male sides of your qd with something so it can whithstand some pressure.Now for the fun part beat the hell out of your dry ice fill up your big cooler so the entire coil is covered. Dump in 2 gallons of camp fuel or acetone (if someone knows of something better to get the temp down please advise)let sit about 10 min get your remaing dry ice and a catcher bottle ready. Put in your catcher bottle pack with dry ice cover in camp fuel let sit 5 min. By this time your hoses should have frost on them from being so damn cold. Oh almost forgot get about 1 foot of hose connect it to qd and put other end paper towel wrapped to make it tight(but not airtight it will blow up if so) into your catcher botle. So now you have a continuse piece of hose from gas can into top of coil out of bottom of coller into catched bottle coverd in dry ice and camp fuel. Ok the way this need to be set up is like so you sit in chair place cooler higher than you and place catcher lower than cooler. Ok we are ready. I hope I havent lost anybody if so if you review the complete birch by Mister Clean you can get an idea of what we are trying to do. Ok now this is very important ALWAYS ADD WATER FIRST. you will see why later put 1- 8 oz glass of water in the gas can place 1/2 gallon of fertilizer into gas can, now quickly place i can of red devil lye in there and close vessle quickly. Ok pretty quick you will notice a reaction going on in there getting hot swelling the can ect that is what you want.Shake kick whatwever to keep pressure up. When suck back occurs lossen top and more fertilizer and lye and go again. NOW SWIM IS NO CHEMIST but seem what is happending is you are making hot ass smelly right now and your forsing it through -40 degree NP so it turn hot ass gass into nice smelly liquid. walla after a couple of cans blam you have a 5th bottle full of desired smelly.



Well Swim knows there will be questions so swim will answer. But before any wise ass says this wont work. try it before you post and you will be BIRCHING tommorow.



[This message has been edited by pikk (edited 06-18-2003).]

Aside from spelling punctuation and grammar, this seems to be feasible IMHO, however, the sheer jerry-riggedness of the whole gas-can reaction vessle disturbs me. Then again I am used to proper tools and equipment, so it may be okay. However be warned that you are working with dangerous chemicals and a potentially explosive reaction, so try to be more refined than a gas can okay? If you have a leak in your line for NH3, you will know and regret it instantly. Pure NH3 is extremely potent, and it will burn your nasal tract straight to hell.

quote:Originally posted by The_Stalker:

Aside from spelling punctuation and grammar, this seems to be feasible IMHO, however, the sheer jerry-riggedness of the whole gas-can reaction vessle disturbs me. Then again I am used to proper tools and equipment, so it may be okay. However be warned that you are working with dangerous chemicals and a potentially explosive reaction, so try to be more refined than a gas can okay? If you have a leak in your line for NH3, you will know and regret it instantly. Pure NH3 is extremely potent, and it will burn your nasal tract straight to hell.

gas cans a perfect you can see what is going on with them see when making nh3 getto it will suck back so you have to bee ready and plactic works best as for doing this without a resaptior thats your ass.

Thats the point, trying to make NH3 "ghetto Style" will get you killed, and this is just a slightly revamped version of lordmighty's post.

MY POINT; While the chemistry is workable, the particular setup described above is dangerius and unsafe. I revise my ealier opinion to say this; "While this will work, it is a very bad idea, it has valid chemistry but the reaction vessels and general arrangment described above is dangerous."

maiking your own nh3 will be dangerous no matter how you do it. be smart and build you contraptions with quality in mind and you should be fine.

Please, Stalker, save yourself the shame...

and don't even try to compare Pikk with Lord-DingleBerry!

Pikk is trying to explain how to make the shit anhydrous; that's the difference between LordMercy's "Blow-Ya-Face-Up-With-A-2-Liter" method, and the true start of the Birch(without Annie in a tank).

Lukky D

No, I was talking about his "Make Anhydrous-Very Easy" post like half way down the page.

quote:Originally posted by The_Stalker:

No, I was talking about his "Make Anhydrous-Very Easy" post like half way down the page.

huh are you talking about my post or lords post here?

sorry about bringing up an older topic, but does anyone know of a dry ice dealer that does mailorders, or even a store that deals to the public in the upstate NY area (around Binghamton if that helps at all). I know the firestations around here give it away in the winter for freezers, but other then that im lost. thanks.

<edit> Also im not much of a drinker, how many mL in a fifth bottle? will it cover the 700 mL specified in the "birch" posted by pikk a while back? im assuming it will

[This message has been edited by Joe_THoFaS (edited 06-26-2003).]

Dude pikk if you are successfull at this

then cool you are one hella smart water fowl.

Chek it out ...Amonium nitrate can be purchased in 5lb bags (about the same size as

a 80lbs bag of concrete) from any fertilizer

plant it is called "prill"

My dad works in one of these plants where

annhydrous ammonia drips from pump seals..

(he is a pump mechanic at prill plant)

His clothes sometimes have little holes in them when he gets home from work.

ANYONE attempting to produce NH3 from

actuyal fertilizer be catius case reallky good ?NH3 will burn holes in your clothes.

What does one need to do if he has a 5lbs

bag of Ammonia Nitrate? prill form(white balls)

I have several bags of prill but do not wish to synth using such hazardous methods.

SSo with Ammonia nitrate what do I need to do to get that pure annyhdrous ammonia? just add water?

SLiM

pikk, would swiP's set up go as this: 1/2" Qc at gas can valve connected to 5' of 1/2" hose connected to top corner Qc of 5 gal cooler. On inside of cooler at top, connect 3/8" hose that is still coiled. At bottom opposite corner inside cooler, connect other end of coiled hose to Qc. Fill cooler with dry ice and fuel to cover coiled hose. On outside of cooler at bottom Qc connect 1' of hose and run to catch vessel sitting in 1 gal cooler surronded with ice and fuel.

If this is swiP's set-up, swim would app. knowing as this is as swim reads it and also as swirl has set-up, only uses another 5 gal cooler in place of 1 ga cooler, connected by 1' of hose to first cooler. Then 5' of hose connected on inside of 2nd cooler and wrapped around catch vessel that is about a 1 1/2 gal very thich glass jar that is 14" tall. This cooler also has ice and fuel.

Also, could a stainless steel container be used as a catch vessel inside the last cooler? Swim also has the 5gal bucket Hcl order control system (per pikk) connected to last cooler.

This system has produced for swirl 2x already and birched well.

Just wanted your thoughts and wisdom, as it has been useful to swirl in the past.

Thanx



[This message has been edited by 46method (edited 07-29-2003).]

quote:Originally posted by Joe_THoFaS:

Also im not much of a drinker, how many mL in a fifth bottle? will it cover the 700 mL specified in the "birch" posted by pikk a while back? im assuming it will



A 'fifth' is 1/5th of a gallon. I think it's a standard whiskey/vodka bottle, the 700ml one.

A fifth of a gallon would be about 756 mls.

[This message has been edited by kman (edited 07-29-2003).]

a 1/5 th is 750ml

quote:Originally posted by 46method:

pikk, would swiP's set up go as this: 1/2" Qc at gas can valve connected to 5' of 1/2" hose connected to top corner Qc of 5 gal cooler. On inside of cooler at top, connect 3/8" hose that is still coiled. At bottom opposite corner inside cooler, connect other end of coiled hose to Qc. Fill cooler with dry ice and fuel to cover coiled hose. On outside of cooler at bottom Qc connect 1' of hose and run to catch vessel sitting in 1 gal cooler surronded with ice and fuel.

If this is swiP's set-up, swim would app. knowing as this is as swim reads it and also as swirl has set-up, only uses another 5 gal cooler in place of 1 ga cooler, connected by 1' of hose to first cooler. Then 5' of hose connected on inside of 2nd cooler and wrapped around catch vessel that is about a 1 1/2 gal very thich glass jar that is 14" tall. This cooler also has ice and fuel.

Also, could a stainless steel container be used as a catch vessel inside the last cooler? Swim also has the 5gal bucket Hcl order control system (per pikk) connected to last cooler.

This system has produced for swirl 2x already and birched well.

Just wanted your thoughts and wisdom, as it has been useful to swirl in the past.

Thanx

[This message has been edited by 46method (edited 07-29-2003).]

46 what you have said sounds good to me. but what you need to really need to know is that if it works for you ,use it !!!

Thanx pikk, but what r your thoughts on the stainless steel canisiter as a catch vessel? Swim can have this SS fabed any way that he desires.

Thanx

i think it is a very good idea .

Stainless is good for this.

I have two very important comments to make on pikk's writeup:

You should have a precooler that cools the hot ammonia coming off the gas can this can be several coils in a ice water bath, and it will reduce the ammount of dry ice used in the condensation greatly.

You also must run the gas through a drying tower after the pre cooler.

pikk has obviously never done this otherwise he would know that his contraption plugs up and starts to leak.

You must remove the water before it hits the dry ice acetone mix. You can use NaOH or CaO (preferable), but CaCl2 and MgSO4 don't work.

Oh and another thing use acetone not camp fuel.

quote:Originally posted by tryptamine:

Stainless is good for this.

I have two very important comments to make on pikk's writeup:

You should have a precooler that cools the hot ammonia coming off the gas can this can be several coils in a ice water bath, and it will reduce the ammount of dry ice used in the condensation greatly.

You also must run the gas through a drying tower after the pre cooler.

pikk has obviously never done this otherwise he would know that his contraption plugs up and starts to leak.

You must remove the water before it hits the dry ice acetone mix. You can use NaOH or CaO (preferable), but CaCl2 and MgSO4 don't work.

Oh and another thing use acetone not camp fuel.

oh my tryp you know i love you but you are way off dude . you can use a drying tube if you like swip started with one . but not needed the annie comming through works just fine . also camp fuel gets just as cold as actone and it does not evap as fast and it is cheaper to boot . as for pluging up this has not happened yet so i will not commet on this as for not doing it , as i said way off dude .

but it is all good tryp , dont knock it till you try it bro . and i know you aint .

so read the last line of my postit goes like this.

Well Swim knows there will be questions so swim will answer. But before any wise ass says this wont work. try it before you post and you will be BIRCHING tommorow.



[This message has been edited by pikk (edited 07-31-2003).]

Well with your particular setup it isn't plugging, but it ain't goijng to work for everyone everytime. This method has been discussed ad infinitum at the h**e. I'm not way off, I'm giving the proper method to people. The method that doesn't rely on luck to hold it together.

Hey, when using lithium what kind is best lithium hydride,I want to get in a more concentrated form. I dont want to use camera batterys over and over as they are expensive and it looks wierd walking into a store and buying loads of lithium camera batterys.

One thing I got to wonder here is the fact that this product this synth. allegedely produces would HAVE to be composed of at least 2%+ H2O!!.....if not more!!

Now if one tablespoon of anhydrous ammonia will saturate or combine with what?! 200 gallons of water then wouldn't the water saturation issue be a great concern here since water is a HUGE-ASS No! No! here?!

I live in an area where dudes who do cook with anhydrous go to the Home Depot and buy those respirators/masks for NH3 and those shoulder-length gloves to prevent burns.

Meaning that....they even though quit school in the 5th grade and are illiterate(and ignorant on mostly everything ) they do recognize and respect the PREREQUISITES for NH3--theft!!

Be it from a 1000 gallon nurse tank.....or from a pipeline(<-----by far the best means to "tap&take") to get their annie.

We had this kid who forgot to "burp" his container of annie and even though it was 20 fl.ozs. of it when he did open it it had built up so much pressure even on a cold December day like it was(20'sF) that it once uncapped bursted out and ate his eyeballs/face/throat/hands(covering face) in a matter of ten seconds he was mutilated and blind.

This happened because annie once exposed to an uncontained atmosphere she will be grabbing for the nearest source of moisture she can find and totally strip it(the source ie:eyes/face/lunges/hands<-------which is why face mask--respirator--and gloves to the shoulder is paramount) of its available moisture.

And if ghetto made your annie is how can you possibally ensure that you stripped her of her h2o?!

The only report I've ever heard here locally of a successful made amount of liquid anhydrous ammonia was done not out of need but instead out of "playing-around" cook. Who did in fact make some LIQUID annie but incorpoorated liquid nitrogen used to store Bulls' Sperm and had complete failure when he did a test-run on a 14 gram/2-strip RXN.

And so I really got to wonder if this can be pulled-off man!!

no disrepsect to the author pikk.

None at all man!!

But when you look at the specifics here and the mechanics as well you start to see a synth. that is indeed labor intensive/0% degree of leeway in what you aim to produce-- LIQUID ANHYDROUS AMMONIA!!

Anhydrous here is hard to pull-off because you tell me of another substance with such a huge-ass hard-on as annie?!

And I got laughed off the board for my saltblock synth. pikk?!

C'mon Bro!!

Kids......at least wrap your threads with teflon tape if you try this at home!!

Ammonia is a "country-cook" due to its odororous nature!

Any leakage will seep into your neighboors' homes and soon you'll have fire dept. knocking on your door!!

I know because I had some fellas one time forgot to wrap their threads and I had a leaking tank on my deck only to be saurprised by the fire dept.!!

By the way..........use fire-extingushers if you are to store your annie.

They are stainless and easy to tend to.

Annie is nothing funny.

Be careful and proceed with common sense.

My two-cents on this........

Jam, no more a true a statement could not have been made. Annie is no gentle lady, just one time having a throat full of choking gas that will not let you get in any fres air and you learn to respect her. One time in 25 years was enough for swim, now all percautions are taken and gone over a 2nd time before swim starts to dance with the lady.

Swim has able supply of the lady at hand all the time, but after 25 years things get boring and new dreams are wished to be had. So a coulpe of new ideas swim has tried, a red one still at times stumps swim, sokeep birching. And yes this syn. has produced both times it has been dreamed.

As for bust'n swiJ about his blocks, NOT swim, read a post to 46 and you will see what swim means. That secret needs to be protected except for a slect few.

Jam on

Later xxxx xxxxxx

quote:Originally posted by Jamiroquai:

The only report I've ever heard here locally of a successful made amount of liquid anhydrous ammonia was done not out of need but instead out of "playing-around" cook. Who did in fact make some LIQUID annie but incorpoorated liquid nitrogen used to store Bulls' Sperm and had complete failure when he did a test-run on a 14 gram/2-strip RXN.

And so I really got to wonder if this can be pulled-off man!!

no disrepsect to the author pikk.

......

My two-cents on this........[/B]

Some thoughts:

It's possible, however a stand alone unit that you don't want to move a lot can get a little pricey in air tight steal valves, let alone fixing it so that the starting end doesn't blow off from the pressure. A make shift steel condenser (tube full of liquid nitrogen fed from the bottom of the container - have to flip it upside and fill it before you begin) within an air right chamber can produced the desired results. You open your valve that feeds to a screw in cooled drip chamber that top feeds back into the condenser and viola! Another problem some overlook when dealing with liquid nitrogen is that you must have some form of pressure release valve or an open system. I've contemplated the use of an aluminum center condenser for better conduction but don't know how that would react with the amonia. (more research I guess) I've had seal issues with amonia in the past as well. That shit seems to eat through just about everything, or I'm just unlucky.

Here's to learning and living through it.

racaaa--if you have the ability to buy lithium hydride--perhaps you have the ability to buy sodium metal--it seems to reduce a better product

pikk man your method u jus mentioned does work hoever i have done it many times using a gastank generator and i only used 10lbs to melt 8 strips =) not only that but its the same damn thing as the 2liter method it works the same......u don't need all that extra bullshit u mentioned either....gas cans blow up 2 lol i know and then u distract neighbors not only that but annie shoots everywhere then i bet ya can't feel your dope after all that annie gets in your lungs.....get a gascan get 2 cups of 34-00 nitrate then get 1 can of lye then add 1 can of water put on the gascan cap immediatly....also attach the gascan to a cooler with 10lbs of dryice in it in the middle of the dryice put a gatorade bottle after 45 mins u will see liquid anhydrous ammounia in the gatorade bottle....i promise it will melt your strips with the quickness.....remember keep releaseing the pressure on the gascan cause it will expand then blow and lol u might have some comapany then.....i perfer the lordmighty method cause no to very lil smell and nothing blows up.........u jus gotta becareful while attempting this method and if done right makes some badass meth =)

Tryptamine, any ideas on how swim could ghetto construct a cooling tower? Swirl has searched all over and all that can be found with graphics is Mr. Clean's and it is not descriptive. Swirl has looked at maybe ordering a drying tube, but can't picture how this will work either. Any help will be most app. as swirl lives in very humid climate anyways and has belief and NEED for the extra drying.

Thankx, xxxx xxxxxx

46, sorry to butt in mate, if you were to fail to acquire the applicable equipment--and humidity was your problem--then the enviroment in which you work would have to be dried--consider that--though if you were making annie,an enclosed work space would be nasally abhorent--none the less, if the road you walk is difficult,jump the fence and run around it

Morgan, it's not that it is a problem with the hum.. Swirl sees the point in the drying tube to keep condensation down and to obtain H2o free annie. Swirl is just having a prob figuring out how to ghetto rig this safely. If swirl wasn't on a research kick and wanted to dance with the lady, swirl would just go and get a gal from the 2000gal mother tank. Remember swirl is known to operate a large family farming operation, so this would prob not bee a problem.

Morgan, Ms. 46 has said that it is a good thing that morgan and 46M live in different countries cause if morgan and 46 hooked up and drawed a BIG ole pull from the stick, words would fly for days on end. To many wishes and dreams are to much alike. Ms. 46 claims by seeing post by both no one would be able to get a word in. lol

Later xxxx xxxxxx

ms46 appears astute