Before I order some of this stuff can anyone give me some basic info on it? How powerful is it compared to HCl, and does it give off any nasty fumes? Is it poisonous like hydroflouric?

Ordering something like that is begging for bloodhounds.

Actually, its hypophosphorous acid.

damnit! I can't remember the friggin markup.

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Hypo is illegal now like hydriodic acid.

However, phosphoric acid at $30 per pound(shipping included) works the same.

Orhophosphoric acid 85% works too at 1ml/cc per gram of E.

Around here anymore either annie or these two acids above show-up at busted labs.

They react VERY HOT but very fast.

One thing though......after adding the phosphric acid to your premixed I2/E better be quick to cap the top of your flask!!

cause it reacts like a match to gasoline.

Not quite that fast but you get the point.



Anything ordered with money orders and expressed is safe to purchase.

Too many folks profess not to buy online.

But I know folks who get shit delivered to them and have for years only that they keep quiet.

After going to jail I was reminded how evidence and suspicions alone warrant no valid searches.

So be a loner and keep quiet and nobody will fuck with you.

Or be the neighboorhood cook and share your sources freely and get busted by some wired-laden-snitch.



Just remember that credit cards are a no-no and money orders hard to prove and trace to you as the purchaser.

jamiroquai dont you mean phosphurous acid not phosphoric?and dont you mean orthophosphurous acid and not orthophosphoric. and didnt you mean rat scum suckin piece of shit for a human being instead of snitch:>Peace out

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No no he's quite right phosphorIC SHOULD work... Iv been hearing about it being cracked down on more and more though lately...

Really the only write up on it ive seen on using phosphoric acid seemed a little diffucult for the average person to try.maybe you have a method or link youd like to share with the class.iffin i had one id gladly give it to you.

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Well on this one it is to be kept guarded closely since at 10 bucks per 16ozs it is cheap/reliable/and quicker than annie in its reaction.

So as to where to find it I shall not disclose(for it is easy to find and still legal to buy in the U.S.A.).......not for long if the Feds reading this here thread read my source given!!

Now the synth you read and particularly its complexity is probably written by some author who never actually did it or went the long way around the block.

Here are the fundamentals to incorporate and focus on:

1)always make sure your I2 is dry as a bone....no moisture please!! NONE capeche'?!

2)your ratio is and I am not repeating myself here man!! 1:1:1<----1:1.2:1 if you are worried about your I2. But 1:1.5:1 is not necessary.why? again, its not so make a note of it and carry on

3)preheat your E&I2 in your flask melting the two together prior to your adding your phosphoric acid...why? because the shit reacts on contact and requires this for your E to turn into meth effienctly again, why? it just does and why ain't important here is it?!

4)Use a labgrade flask and only labgrade. Shit gets fucking HOT quick and if your ghetto flask cracks and breaks you will be in a world of shit and smoke and that reaction will not stop till its either extinguished care of a fire extinguisher or something similar in the meantime you got a roomfull of toxic fumes you need to run from so you don't die!!(extreme yes. but ounce of prevention=pound of cure here especially plus your neighboors will be calling Johnny Law due to odors they'll be smelling

5)use about a four-foot hose attatched to a punching balloonfor up to an ounce batch.

6)If you want to react more than that use a Liebig condensor and its counterparts.

7)The reaction is that of verry little outside heat need be necessary since it will produce its own heat stay at 180 degrees or below as usual and when its done smoking it is done and readyto three-layer and ultimatley gas for some cottage cheese and finally dope as good as RP/I2 or annie. because you'll have meth before your very eyes.



Now to conclude and reitterate a bit let me just say that this shit can react in as little as five minutes on an 8-ball batch and at the longest 30 minutes.

Your oil you'll see inside should be close to clear or clear......or a light shade of yellow(too much I2 perhaps?..dunno)

And if you are using orthophosphric acid...use 1ml/cc per gram of E use a cow syringe/baby syringe but be precise!! And remember!!--->once you drop your (ortho)phos acid have that duct tape ready to wrap your hose on tight and secure because you got about a ten-fifteeen second window before it starts smoking and reacting. It starts in fourthgear not first so be prepared.



Follow these guidelines and you will thank me man.For you will save yourself "uh-ohs&oh shit's!!" from not observing the precautions in this RXN.

I was in jail with at least 30-40 cooks who ALL USED PHOSPHORIC ACID FLAKES!! And about 10 using orthophos acid(liquid)

And these guys all were annie cooks prior to learning this easier way to go.

Their biggest quarrel was finding places to buy their iodine by the gallon(crybabies!! )

So use dry iodine and pyrex-grade glassware/labware(Kimex too)

And the bell is ringing so class is over.



This synth does work and will amaze you by its accelerated production of honey.

One last thing go to a plumbers' supply and buy you some "Liquid Fire"...its sulphuric acid and also some rock salt.

This way no water worries from a-foil+murry and a superior way to gas your goods.

Or do what you fancy as to dropping your PH to the optimum PH.

This is just a tid-bit to consider and you will see its appreciable uesfullness if you give it a whirl.



Please no flames and no "I beg to differs!!"

And copy and paste this for reference if you will I will not repeat any of this due to I see no reason to repeat myself here since its all here and I was asked to share to you this above and did so and I pass the buck onto you.

Cheers! And Enjoy!!

For you surely will amigo!!

Time for tea.......later g8ers-----------> !

Thanks dawg,

definetely helpful for frustration management

compared to tedious ways.

Who wants to dream about being in a fight

but not being able to swing.

Yeah. good analogy there!

It's a sweet synth and sooo unrecognized by most. But then again, some if you ask me don't deserve such sweetness as this sythn bestows.

And here folks: here is a source worthy of posting for it is not one I don't see a problem with in my posting for you guys and this place accepts cash as payment(ie:this place is on your side and not some nosy-ass you-know-who's wanting customer-base files(only by sopena can this be forced over......hard to do if the site does not imply its selling for the purpose of drugs)

Very reliable.

Unbelievable in its selection and share only with those you consider are worthy!!!

And only my e-mail or PM's. PLEASE!!!

Let's respect the precious resource at hand here!!

click here: http://www.elementalscientific.net/

Click on Download cataloge(it's in PDF Format)

And amaze at the prices/labware/chems and the like at unbeleivable prices.

Cheers!

And may the Force be with you Young Jedis!

This place is #1 in regards to suppliers(my sources are of a interpersonal relationship and not much cheaper and thourough in this one given above)

Don't ask any stupid questions(to this company) and you will be golden!

Merry Christmas!

Jam.......--------> !

Swis knows Swij posted some easy understandable A/B extraction info for newbs

some time back which Swis was so appreciative. This info is also fantastic, considering Swis hates cleaning mbrp. Thanks

Swij for the excellent info.