From SwiM's attempts to source Tetra (which he couldn't), he has a few can of Tri-CE. He says he's trying to learn the Waterless A/B, can he use the TRI-CE as his NP of choice?

He has the Turps Sub but is curious anyway.

Thanks.

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like most break throughs you just have to try and see what you can do or make happen .

Ta for that pikk. He says he's thinking of giving it a go, but thought he would check first to see if he got any "ARE YOU FUCKING MAD??" type responses!

Worst-ways, it's probably an extra RP cleaning step.

Thanks again.

do you got the full name or cas# for said chemical . i will look it up in the merck for you .

Unfortunatly not, since the contents are completly unlisted over here. The only clue that it's chloroethylene-based is from the smell.

Even the european branch of CRC has only 'lectra clean II' which according to its technical info sheet does not contain Tetra.

Short of bribing a dry cleaner (which is a work in progress), SwiM is beginning to think its unobtainable outside of industry.

Thanks for the offer though.

give me a brand name

Servisol coldklene 110 (cold cleaning solvent)

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151 Brake clean.

'151 Brake clean is an excellent solvent degreaser...it does not leave any residue'

151 Products LTD

Globe House

Southall St

Manchester www.151.co.uk (http://www.151.co.uk) (this site does not work!)

There were a couple more but they have been dumped.

here you go on the coldkleen 101. try to find the other later.

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PRODUCT NAME:

SERVISOL COLDKLENE 110 200 ML

PART No.:

100007515

MANUFACTURER:

Ambersil Ltd.

Castlefield Industrial Estate, Wylds Rd, Bridgwater, Somerset, UK,

TA6 4DD



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2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS:

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METHYLCYCLOHEXANE 108-87-2 30-60 %

ALIPHATIC, CYCLOPARAFFINIC HYDROCARBON SOLVENT BLEND 64742-49-0

10-30 % Xn, N, 65, 51/5

DIMETHOXYMETHANE 109-87-5 10-30 %

LPG 68476-85-7 1-5 %

first chem in the cold kleen.

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Monograph Number: 6074

Title: Methylcyclohexane

CAS Registry Number: 108-87-2

Additional Names: Hexahydrotoluene; cyclohexylmethane

Molecular Formula: C7H14

Molecular Weight: 98.19.

Percent Composition: C 85.62%, H 14.37%

Literature References: Prepn: F. Wreden, B. Znatowicz, Ann. 187, 161 (1877); E. Knoevenagel, ibid. 297, 113 (1897); and physical properties: J. P. Wibaut et al., Rec. Trav. Chim. 58, 12 (1939). Toxicology: J. F. Treon et al., J. Ind. Hyg. Toxicol. 25, 199 (1943). Dehydrogenation to produce motor fuel: N. Gruenenfelder et al., Proc. 20th Intersoc. Energy Convers. Eng. Conf. 2, 2.781 (1985). Kinetics of industrial dehydrogenation to toluene: A. Touzani et al., Stud. Surf. Sci. Catal. 19, 357 (1984); use of a membrane reactor to improve process: J. K. Ali, A. Baiker, Appl. Catal. A. 155, 41 (1997).

Properties: Clear, fragrant liquid, mp -126.3°. bp760 101.2 ± 0.3°; also reported as bp760 103°. nD18.5 1.41705; nD20 1.4230; nD25 1.42063. d418.5 0.7662; d420 0.76944; d425 0.76512. Surface tension: 23.73 dynes/cm. Insol in water at 20°.

Melting point: mp -126.3°

Boiling point: bp760 101.2 ± 0.3°; bp760 103°

Index of refraction: nD18.5 1.41705; nD20 1.4230; nD25 1.42063

Density: d418.5 0.7662; d420 0.76944; d425 0.76512

CAUTION: Potential symptoms of overexposure are irritation of eyes, skin, nose and throat; lightheadedness, drowsiness. See NIOSH Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards (DHHS/NIOSH 97-140, 1997) p 204.

Use: Solvent; starting material in the synthesis of toluene.

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Wow!! Thanks for that SwiP. Can SwiM assume it is a useable Toulene Sub? (Just trying to find uses for the shit he's gone out & bought!)

EDIT: How can SwiM find such info?

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third chem still looking for the second.

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Monograph Number: 6042

Title: Methylal

CAS Registry Number: 109-87-5

CAS Name: Dimethoxymethane

Additional Names: formal; formaldehyde dimethyl acetal

Molecular Formula: C3H8O2

Molecular Weight: 76.09.

Percent Composition: C 47.35%, H 10.60%, O 42.05%

Line Formula: CH2(OCH3)2

Literature References: Prepn by catalytic vapor-phase oxidation of methanol in the presence of small amts of HCl; from methanol and formaldehyde: Frevel, Hedelund, US 2663742; US 2691684 (1953, 1954, both to Dow); from paraformaldehyde + methanol in the presence of CaCl2 + HCl: R. Rambaud, D. Besserre, Bull. Soc. Chim. France 1955, 45.

Properties: Colorless, clear, volatile, flammable liq; chloroform odor; pungent taste. bp760 41.6°; bp754 41.5°. mp -105°. d414 0.8669; d420 0.8593. nD18 1.3589. Flash pt, closed cup: 0°F (-18°C). Sol in 3 parts water; miscible with alcohol, ether, oils.

Melting point: mp -105°

Boiling point: bp760 41.6°; bp754 41.5°

Flash point: Flash pt, closed cup: 0°F (-18°C)

Index of refraction: nD18 1.3589

Density: d414 0.8669; d420 0.8593

CAUTION: Potential symptoms of overexposure are irritation of eyes, skin and upper respiratory system; anesthesia. See NIOSH Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards (DHHS/NIOSH 97-140, 1997) p 198.

Use: In perfumery; manuf artificial resins; reaction medium for Grignard and Reppe reactions.

EDIT: How can SwiM find such info?



most of what i am putting up there is from the merck (if your serious buy one)but i typed in the coldkleen name into google then looked at the mds sheets try it any name of a subtance just google it see what happenes . as for the merck that is my bible thay are expencive but worth it .

the second one has got me so i will give you a link to what i found on it.

http://www.partech.com.au/msds/adhesive/adhesiv3.pdf

hay bookmark this link it might help you find out stuff . also it is where i found the last chem

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0372.html

thay have a good search engine for finding chems

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Much appreiciated.Heh, Google is SwiMs bible but he found nowhere near as much info.

Now to check out those links...