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| Laboratory Tips Safety proceedures, test reagents, drilling rubber stoppers, bending glass tubes, etc. Contributed to by chemists. |
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# 1

2003-06-07, 22:26
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hi everyone, just wanted to get some input before swil decides to try this once again.
first swirl plans to mix 10gm of e 10gm of rp and 14gm of i2 then heat for roughly 10hrs using a flask with ballon on top. after procees is complete separate rp. then mix with 1.5 cups of np solvent sirl around and add lye/water 20% mixture swirl let set and seprate layers and gas with salt and acid. swil has tried other method using push pull but has not turned out. swil has never used a gassing method so swil prays it will work. swil has been doing alot of reading here, CH, and other sites. is swil missing some steps or should this work? also swil and buddies like snort rather than smoke.they have tried some stuff using a simlar method and it hurt swils sinuses tooo much anyone know why?
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# 2

2003-06-07, 23:58
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Hey guys.... Swim wanted to ask a question bout a dream... Using closed system and running about 3.5 hrs push/pull dream looked nice but when woke up there was an disgusting "hairspray" taste that is familiar to Swim.. Everything looked nice but small taste of psuedo was present... or is this psuedo Swim detects?? If not, what then? Small yield 30% or so came back... Would more time have done the job?? What are some good ideas to look for in a dream anyhow? And what kind of yield is considered acceptable? Swim wants to dream again but does not want repeat of the old "hairspray" lol. Anyone care to help a fellow dreamer out??
[This message has been edited by RedHorse (edited 06-08-2003).]
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# 3

2003-06-08, 07:52
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This is not a push pull method.
It's a reflux.
Your ratios are off as well.
10gm of e 10gm of rp and 14gm of i2
wrong.
10gram of e/10gram of i2/3.3gram of rp
roughly 1ml of water for every gram if you are doing the reflux method.
use punch balloon on top of flask
very gentle heating until you reach the temp of 120 celcius.
And left on for as long as you like.
when doing extractions using lye+dh2o+np solvent.
extract 3 times. first one main portion. 2nd one half the main. 3rd one half 1/2.
give it time to let the freebase to migrate in to the np layer.
if you want to gas. just do all your research.
there's enough writeups out there.
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# 4

2003-06-08, 15:49
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Not bad rudebwoy--but Swigotta would do things just a little differently.
mistress--
The general consensus these days is the long reflux. Swigotta has done many nanos with a balloon, no problem. I was over there just a coupla days ago and he was doing something just like your friend wants to do. Here are a few suggestions:
Ratios--
(pseudo)ephedrine- 1.0
redp (mbrp)- 0.7-1.0 (depends on how clean you think it is. Too much won't hurt)
rudebwoy, I'm not sure how you arrived at 3.3, but this is too low even for lab grade red. Tell me more about this.
iodine crystals (very dry)-1.2-1.5 (this also depends on how clean and dry. They should be dry enough to crumble.)
DH2O- A well respected cook says 0.7 ml. per g. of pseudo. Measure this as accurately as possible.)
The balloon needs to be one of those big thick ones that have a rubber band on it for kids to bounce against their hand. Ghetto term for this is a bouncy bounce.
10 hours may get you pretty close to complete if you get the heat up over 115C, but this will cost you smoothness and yield more space dope. The best idea is to go as close to 100C and 30 hours as your patience will allow.
General rule of thumb is the shorter the run the hotter the temp. The hotter the temp, the spacier (not good) the dope.
Post reaction--
Dilute rxn fluid with at least five times its volume of hot DH2O. Rinse this acidic solution at least once with your nonpolar solvent of choice. Use VM&P Naptha if you plan to gas. SWIG uses xylene or toluene and titrates with hcl. Also, base the solution slowly. Take about 10-15 minutes to get there. Once based, wash at least once with DH2O. Then, do your thing. Either gas or titrate. Swigoitta never liked the way the final product came out when gassed. He prefers titration.
Oh, one more thing--
SAVE ALL RINSES AND SOLUTIONS. PUT EVERYTHING IN ONE JAR WHEN YOU ARE FINISHED, THROW IN A HANDFUL OF SALT (NON IODIZED) AND PUT IT ON A LOW HEAT FOR ABOUT AN HOUR. MAKE SURE IT IS LOOSELY COVERED. WHEN YOU TAKE IT OFF THE HEAT, LET IT SIT FOR A DAY WHILE YOU PLAY WITH WHAT YOU GOT. THEN, TAKE THAT TOP LAYER OFF AND EXTRACT IT AGAIN. YOU'LL BE GLAD YOU DID.
Gotta Gotta Go cause his old lady wants to go......back to sleep.
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# 5

2003-06-08, 17:34
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Pamona California USA
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You guys are not understanding the whole scientific concept here!
It doesnt matter if your doing a 1 gram nano or 50 pound batch, you need to mix rp/h2o/i2 in correct preportion to create your 57% hidriodic acid BEFORE reducing the starting material. This exothermic rxn has nothing to do with reducing the ephedrine/pseudo molecule and should be carried out sepretley.
You guys need to ignore all the dry rxn bullshit like "a well respected cook uses .7ml of water per gram" lol
If you can obtain rp, i2, and pseudo or effy then DO IT RIGHT!
Make hidriodic acid THEN use it to reduce the effy or pseudo into meth
ppa into amph even
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# 6

2003-06-08, 17:54
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For once Sleepy is right. Making the hydriodic acid first is more exacting. It also gives you a more homogenous mixture, requires less rp to fuel the reaction, and makes it easier to see when the reaction is complete.
Swigotta says he ain't no fuggin' chemist or scientist, so forget all that shit cause it works just fine by puttin' all the shit in together as long as you get the ratios right.
You can laugh out your ass for all I care cause that wise old mother fucker has made more and better meth than you or Swigotta will ever hope for. Some people know their shit, and the geezer is one of them.
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# 7

2003-06-08, 19:57
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Geez is just another chemhead that doesnt seem to understand the important role water plays to produce HI.
Speak for yourself but...
Anyone that adds a few drops of water on a pile of rp/i2 while the their starting material is present is NO WAY IN HELL going to even come close to NeverSleepy's end result.
Whats next, preparing Al/Hg with mdp2p present and not useing enough murcury chloride?
#1 PREPARE YOUR HI
#2 USE IT TO REDUCE YOUR STARTING MATERIAL
ITS 2 SEPORATE REACTIONS, DOING THEM AT THE SAME TIME AND MAKING HI WITHOUT ENOUGH WATER IS REDICULOUS
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# 8

2003-06-08, 21:16
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Forum Administrator
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Somewhere in Michigan
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Never---- "Geez is just another chemhead that doesnt seem to understand the important role water plays to produce HI.
Speak for yourself but...
Anyone that adds a few drops of water on a pile of rp/i2 while the their starting material is present is NO WAY IN HELL going to even come close to NeverSleepy's end result."
your so far off here. in so many ways, i dont even know where to begin. geez is so far beyond you that you couldnt even comprehend it. I broke out laughing when i saw what you posted.
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# 9

2003-06-08, 21:50
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I wasn't laughing. I was pissed off that some asshole that I was trying to be halfway decent to slanders THE most patient and generous teacher ever to post on this subject. Not only that, his work can be understood by all who read it.
Neversleepy, you prick, you try to come off as a world class chemist and you can't even spell or make complete sentences.
I guess if we were in a college lab and trying to ace a test, then doing the complete reaction in two steps would be important. In the real world what matters is not only the outcome, but observing and understanding, not whats on a piece of paper, but what your experiences have PROVEN to you are true.
Now take an hour or two and read that last sentence above until you have a hint of what it is saying, because that is what the Geezmeister has that you lack the capacity ever to obtain.
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# 10

2003-06-08, 23:30
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.7 ml of HI is not going to reduce a full gram of pseudo, youd need at LEAST 10ml
If you guys are so well advanced in your chem skills, why are you doing your reactions like this?
Im not trying to start arguements, just stating the obvious.
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#11
 2003-06-09, 02:01
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gottagogo 
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Re: making the gooood stuff
OK, it is obvious that you still don't understand this kind of logic. I will do my best to explain.
First, the ideology behind the methodology centers on observation and is based on experience.
Swigotta has not pursued the knowledge, equipment, and skills necessary to determine when a solution of hydriodic acid has reached a concentratiom of at least 57%. If he so desired, He surely has the capacity to absorb the information and perform the procedure.
Now, stay with me.
I have some chemistry education, I had to take several chemistry classes in college to receive my degree as an MT. Unfortunately, I only stayed in the field for 6 years and that was quite some time ago. It doesn't matter anyway, booksmarts seem to leave my mind the fastest. I believe there are far more people at this site with little or no chemistry knowledge than there are those with a working knowledge of reaction theory and stoichiometry.
So, those who have little or no chemistry training tend to conform to a particular kind of methodology. They research information on the subject in question, perform selected procedures, and document their results. According to their personal observations they rationalize a modification, impliment the change and repeat the process. Over time they perfect or tailor the original procedure to a methodology that works for their particular way of thinking.
The balance of the 4 basic chemicals necessary to reduce pseudoephedrine to methamphetamine has been observed, then modifid or "tweaked", many, many times in the last few years. Much has been documented from these observations. Those who consistently document or "post" observations and experiences that an individual, such as....say....maybe....Swigotta can duplicate achieving the same outcome, will gain credibility with that individual.
Credibility is compounded by precisely and accurately communicating these observations and experiences in a way that a very diverse group of individuals are able to duplicate and achieve the same outcome.
This will gain the credible individual respect and admiration.
I cannot speak of how much 57% hydriotic acid it takes to reduce a gram of pseudoephedrine to methamphetamine in a given amount of time at a given constant temperature. I can however state with absolute certainty that a gram of pseudoephedrine can be completely reduced to methamphetamine using only 0.7 ml. of DH2O in the reaction mix.
How can I say this with absolute certainty?
The Geezmeister says so, and the above ideology confirms it.
Credibility, asshole.
Try working on getting some.
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#12
 2003-06-09, 02:14
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NeverSleepy 
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Re: making the gooood stuff
It takes 2 moles of 57% HI to reduce 1 mole of starting material no matter how long you cook or how much rp is left to recycle.
You look up to geez like hes your friggin dad or something, maybe its time you start looking up to a real chemist like WizardX
http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/meth.hi-p.html
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#13
 2003-06-09, 02:20
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NeverSleepy 
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Re: making the gooood stuff
Id like to see you go to the-hive and say "any respectable cook will add .7ml per gram" like you said here.
Youd be set ablaze for it! 100% garonteeeee
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#14
 2003-06-09, 09:07
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lukkydleprachan 
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Re: making the gooood stuff
When was the las time you spoke over at the Hive, NeverSleepy??? Weren't you set a blaze!!!!
Go talk shit about Geez to his face, I guarantee that you'll be set on fire.... AGAIN!!!
Lukky D
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#15
 2003-06-09, 09:29
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gottagogo 
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Re: making the gooood stuff
Yep. and guess what?
Go over to the hive (anyone. gather round, gather round) and in TFSE uncheck all forums and check stimulants. Then put geezmeister in the username space and type "DH2O" in the body space, then search.
That's strange, nobody ever flamed him for those numerous references to the ridiculously low volume of DH2O used in the reactions he described. He must be the luckiest man alive getting blasted off his ass with all that unreduced pseudo. I'm sure it's just his get out of flaming free card.
That's it. I am not wasting another minute on your bullshit. You have been beaten repeatedly. Go ahead, extract pounds of ephedra plant and take all that beautiful freebase, make the HI, then reduce it to the most extraordinary meth that has ever coursed through human veins, and go, go, go!
Most people here want good, sound advice on relatively uncomplicated techniques in order to get their feet wet, gain a little confidence and move up a step. You're great, I suck, and chemhead is just a bunch of idiots.
There, ya happy?
Now, shut up!
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#16
 2003-06-09, 10:13
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NeverSleepy 
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Re: making the gooood stuff
Wow when you read the whole threads you can see osmium, organikum, glacal-fluxer, and others preaching against his dry rxns, explaining the important role h20 plays.
And yes, now im happy!
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