Swims buddy lives in Tx. and he is quite the avid pyro-technician. He enlightens the small town he lives in with a bad ass fireworks show every year. Would swim be wasting his time by asking his buddy for any Red P? Is that something even used in the making of fireworks? Swim's gonna do a search for the typical uses of Red P. But wanted any additional info you may have. Thank you in advance. I'll be back!

yes it is used in some of the mortar shells that are shot off on the 4th.

Are you implying that fire extingueshers contain Red P?

It wouldn't make much sense to put RP in a fire-extinguisher(in SWIL's opinion). That just seems like the fire would burn longer.

Lukky D

A dry chemical extinguisher sprays a very fine power of sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3, baking soda), potassium bicarbonate (KHCO3, nearly identical to baking soda), or monoammonium phosphate ((NH4)H2PO4). These solids coat the fuel and smother the fire

Stick a lighter to some RP, see what happens Riff.

SWIL gaurantees the RP won't "help" to put out the flame.

Why would the same product be in fireworks, matchbooks, and road-flares(all which ignite in fire!); and why would that product ever be in a fire-extinguisher to put out fires???

Give me the references for your info, bro.

Lukky D

LOL, You must be on a good one!

So you believe that the reaction from putting a flame to RP, would be that much different than throwing RP on a flame???

Get with the program??? Which program is that? Your program?

I think not.

Lukky D

lucky has contributed tons in the small time that he has been here, you on the other hand havent contributed A FUCKING THING. you have no right to talk shit of any kind about anybody here until you prove yourself.

The subject was sources of RP. Now things have gotten out of hand. Yes refined RP polymer coated is used in dry chem fire extinguishers. Search the web you will see.

The more important question is how do you prosess it to get the the good stuff, If you find it in a fire extinguisher?

Fixme,

Try this Get your air out of your container.This is what i do.Your label should read whats in it monoammonium or ammonium phosphate thats what you want.

It will read 6lbs of or what ever the amount. I use glass and/or stainless steal.

pot"Berzelius style" type ecooker 5/6 quarts whatever pour you dust in one of your containers i always go about half. Then i full with acetone or d-alcohol.about 2in over the top of dust its very fine so when you pour it in you cooker i do it slo and with a larg rag over it so the dust won't fly all over like it likes to do. anyway the alcohol lifts off the oil and some of the polymers then i fill the rest with water.

you have in one pot

your dust

something to lift off your oils ext..

and water

now i put it on a hot plate.

and let it cook i like to stur it

after about 30min or so i let it set.

till it cools

then i pour it thru a screen.

i just cut out the one in the back window

folded it in 1/4th put it over my other deep pot or pan

and filter it.

shake and tap the screen as i needed

lightly. i like to use a glass container for this so i can watch it.

you'll still have oils and polymers in iti sometimes put it on a recook in a oil bath

then let it set till cool.

now you'll see that all has separated.

now i pour it thru coffie filter one works fine for me all the time.but change that out also because it will grab all the other nasty that you don't want.

now you should have a clear liquid.

now just pour that in a larger evap dish and watch you crystals grow.

now thats what you've done all that work for

try it you'll like it

Rif

Now please no smart remarks till you have tried the prosses above.

thank you and enjoy

And i know thier has been bad things said to one another so i ask please lets not start that back up.

Thanks Riff I give it a go.

OK, apparently this thread has been in stealth mode since the second post on the third. Someone obviuosly really pissed off Acidmelt, because it looks like he deleted several posts.

The problem here, is this thread is like reading a book with some of the pages torn out. You got lukky talking to himself.

Is there any way to put the posts back up in an edited form so that we can see just enough to see how this thing flows? It appears as if it may be a very interesting thread. I can't believe I didn't get a piece of this one.

Alright rickemrackem--

Since I didn't get to read all of your posts, tell me what the hell you are talking about.

Are you saying that this:

"monoammonium or ammonium phosphate thats what you want."

is the phosphorous compound that you substitute for red P, or this is red P?

We are led to believe that you have done this many times, but your words suggest otherwise:

"then i pour it thru a screen.

i just cut out the one in the back window

folded it in 1/4th put it over my other deep pot or pan

and filter it."

So, have you tried this once, or do you have a bunch of tore up screens?

I have really missed the boat on this last one:

"now you should have a clear liquid.

now just pour that in a larger evap dish and watch you crystals grow."

I thought we were talking about RP. Now you're talking about clear liquid and growing crystals.

Please explain and try your best to be as detailed as possible. If you have done this several times, you probably already know what chemical does what.

If you are full of shit, then you can wimper all day long with that, "C'mon please. Can't we all just get along" crap and it won't do ya a bit of good.

If someone has or can verify this claim. Please post it.



[This message has been edited by gottagogo (edited 06-23-2003).]

Well Let it be known,

The post where taken off by myslef.

And Acid.The point here is that we all had worked out our differences. "I belive".

Acid was of a very professional manner in our dealings.

OK now to answer your Q's gotto.

With out useing your same technique in witch i asked please lets not do.

gotto--"We are led to believe that you have done this many times, but your words suggest otherwise:"

Frist of all my words are as follows.

then i pour it thru a screen.

Rif---i just cut out the one in the back window.

gotto---So, have you tried this once, or do you have a bunch of tore up screens?

I have really missed the boat on this last one:

Rif ---Yes gotto i belive that you did miss the boat on this on.

Frist of all. it is an example.

The screen don't need to be of a high quality.Again example it can be found almost anywhere and it is cheep.

as far as "gotto--- do you have a bunch of tore up screens?" Well gotto i think not.

You may if you don't clean them after your done with them"

Now gotto to get back to what started this whole thing on witch you missed the post

simple,

Gotto---Are you saying that this:

"monoammonium or ammonium phosphate thats what you want." Rif-Yes thats is what you want

Gotto--is the phosphorous compound that you substitute for red P, or this is red P?

Rif--yes it is

Gotto---We are led to believe that you have done this many times, but your words suggest otherwise:

well Gotto like i posted above

I know whats up and i know what it is

Why don't you try it.



gotto--Are you saying that this:

Gotto---"monoammonium or ammonium phosphate thats what you want."

is the phosphorous compound that you substitute for red P, or this is red P?

i'm saying that it is and i've posted many facts on it.

Gotto--=I thought we were talking about RP. Now you're talking about clear liquid and growing crystals.

Rif--- what do you think RP is Gotto

Gotto--Please explain and try your best to be as detailed as possible. If you have done this several times, you probably already know what chemical does what.

"know what chemical does what"

Yes Gotto it is posted above i belive it states that there is a separation .

Rif-- well Gotto i can explain quite well

and if you would like to get into the formulas,composition and the inner works of chemistry you're more than welcome my e-mail addy is open to anyone who would like to have a conversion of such. I post ed it in the fashion so all can understand with out tech background.



Gotto---If you are full of shit, then you can wimper all day long with that, "C'mon please. Can't we all just get along" crap and it won't do ya a bit of good.

If someone has or can verify this claim. Please post it.



Riff--- Now lets take a look at this Gotto

This is my favorite part..



If i'm full of shit you say and i can go wimper alday with cmon please cant we just get along crap

well lets take one more look--

If someone has or can verify this claim. Please post it.



Now this is what i see your to fucking lazy to do your own test when it had just been giving to you in about as eazy fashion that there is you want to try to slam someone that knows when you don't know jack shit on what the fuck you read or even what your looking for or even on what your doing. so lets talk peace/love and all that hippie shit well let me tell you fuck i hate i can give a rats ass about helping you especially

when you start to say bulshit about things envoing you not. you go back and do your work befor you think that you can fuck with me son. Don't ask of it and i won't give it to you. BUt I will say this if you want to learn something take it and do so and if not thats fine with me. Now i';m goning to say chill and i will chill and if not you'll see a repet of what you're complaing about in the frist place.

Riff

RP is not clear! Even lab-grade is still a maroonish color with a gentle luster.

What exactly were you doing in your fire extinguisher experiment???

I don't understand your sentences, let alone, your "theories" or formulas about Chemistry.

To show some lack of intellect:

You replied to Gotta's question about whether it was an RP substitute, or actual RP with "Yes". It wasn't even a yes or no question, rather a "one or the other".

Please stop misinforming people. Show some good evidence, with a comprehendible writeup, and you can do as you please. Until then, go back to the books, cause RP isn't clear!!!

Lukky D

[This message has been edited by lukkydleprachan (edited 06-24-2003).]

Lukky, its good to have someone like you around.This fucker almost had ME contemplating this bullshit.

OK asshole, let me break it down for you using complete, properly structured sentences.

First, foremost, and most importantly, some of us are not here to learn how to get or make anything. Instead we are here to help run interference for those who are truly interested in learning a fascinating artform and craft. Ridiculous crap is shot down as quickly as possible so that the ones whom we actually want to succeed are not drawn into some time and money gobbling side track that will only end in a lesson learned about why this technique is not common knowledge.

ITS NOT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK!!!

If you want to use this method to extract Red Phosphorous, which is a fuckin' rock you idiot, not a clear liquid that will crystallize, then go ahead.

DO NOT POST IT HERE AS A LEGiTIMATE TECHNIQUE FOR ACQUIRING RP FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING A RP/I REDUCTION REACTION.

You sorry piece of shit. Do you really think you can come here and post some off the wall nonsense and then befuddle your way through questions regarding the procedure?

I tried to be at least somewhat decent to you and give you the benefit of the doubt. It was obvious to anyone here helping out that you were bluffing from the start, but when you started talking about clear liquid and crystals,

YOU FULLY EXPOSED YOURSELF AS AN ABSOLUTE, WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT

FAKE!!

Now, anyone who is a newbee please understand this:

This riffraff, who is suitably named, is here to confuse you and lead you astray. Thats at best. He could also be an LE punk, here sniffing.

STAY AWAY. DON'T RESPOND TO HIS POSTS. THIS IS THE LAST TIME I FUCK WITH HIM.

THIS WARNING COMES FROM SOMEONE WHO DOES CARE AND DOES GIVE TRUTHFUL SOUND ADVICE. CHECK ME OUT ON THIS.

Riffraff--

In case this is not clear, fuck off! Go away! You are not wanted here!

PS--Moderators--

Is there a way to show that a post has been deleted? Like the message when a post is edited. This thread looks kinda stupid with those posts missing.

Well,

Thats Fine Good luck to you all.

I'll cut out no biggie.

Rif

But i'll say I'm not the one missing out here

i am one that likes facts . riff the two chems you listed are one and the same. this is from the merck would you tell me how this would work?

Monograph Number: 547

Title: Ammonium Phosphate, Monobasic

CAS Registry Number: 7722-76-1

Additional Names: Ammonium biphosphate; ammonium dihydrogen phosphate; primary ammonium phosphate

Molecular Formula: H6NO4P

Molecular Weight: 115.03.

Percent Composition: H 5.26%, N 12.18%, O 55.64%, P 26.93%

Line Formula: (NH4)H2PO4

Literature References: Prepn: Gmelin's, Ammonium (8th ed.) 23, pp 426-429 (1936).

Properties: Odorless crystals or white, cryst powder; stable in air. d 1.80. One gram dissolves in about 2.5 ml water; slightly sol in alcohol; practically insol in acetone. pH of 0.2 molar aq soln 4.2.

Density: d 1.80

Use: As baking powder with sodium bicarbonate; in fermentations (yeast cultures, etc.); fireproofing of paper, wood, fiberboard, etc.

here is a link to some more info pay close attention to the fact it says dont mix with acid or alkies. the mds sheets also say it is a fertlizer.

http://www.imcglobal.com/products/phosphates/msds/0900map1.pdf



[This message has been edited by pikk (edited 06-24-2003).]

Yes

Right Pink.I know that the two that i posted is one in the same."I posted like that because some fire ext.. say differant things and thoes are the two one would want"

And I have posted facts. i don't know if you got them or not but if you would like them i will send them to you.Now let me put out some facts once more.

This has been from the start a nasty mess

from the start i belive that i posted where one can get RP from other than MB.

I said one can find it in a fire extinguisher.Thats about as far as i got before i was put down and ridiculed. so i posted more facts.And once again pink put down and ridiculed i'll send them "links"to you just ask.so the war begain

at the bottom of my frist post i stated if anyone could prove me wrong on what i said please do.

Well that never happend.Just a lot of unnessary fighting i even posted lets stop the bulshit and put the engery to good work but it didn't happen. so being that i got upset I pulled off my post .some i had not the access to pull down so i went to acid and we had talks. and he pulled down the rest or the ones that i had forgotten.

And i'll say again"Acid was of a very professional manner in our dealings."

Lucky i don't know if your reading this but maybe you should talk to Acid and here from him just all that i said.

now to get back to my attitude .yes i'm going to have one if someone jumps my shit with out any cause.i Have provided intel on everything that i had said and to do the works that i posted is of very low cost if any to whomever worked it but again shot down withoutThem even trying it.I have not posted anything of any danger.Matter of fact it will keep one out of danger if applied.

"like running from store to store to get what you need to make a cook"I feel that this is a danger say if one is getting MB.

Sorry if your bored but i was thinking i'll stay .i'm going to stay.

But anyway Pink thats the story in short form.

I was going to make a new post on the formula. of RP I'm saying the it is NH4h2PO4

and i've gotton a lot of flack about it.

now I'll say it again

and if anybody says it's diffrent please post it.

Now Pink.

What you've posted above i had also provided the same intel and also gave many more links .I gave links to the dea and why it's a class 1 chem how one can go about getting thier papers to sell the stuff and so on even gave a link to the histroy of it when it was found and when it started being

tested from the 1940's when the matchbook companies tolk hold and many more .

still some folks did not listen nor read they just wanted to try to push me out.

And if

thats what they want thats fine but i'm still putting down the facts.

Now if you would like all the intel that i posted i'll send it to you or anyone else.

just send me an e-mail my addy is on the profile and i'll be glad to.

so sorry if i talked you ears off

Riff

[This message has been edited by RiffRaff (edited 06-24-2003).]

this has turned into a fuckin flame war.