well i can say that i am not skilled enough to make methamphetamine (maybe i near future

i was wondering can you tell me is methcathinone good?

are effects simmilar/stronger/weaker than meth? duration? and such things.

synthesis of methcathinone seems easy and i will try it.



btw- i did read all FAQs about methcathinone on the web, but all of them tell different story about it. it is good, it is bad.

now i dont know is it good or bad.



if there is somebody who tried it please tell me some info.

thanks.

A good friend tells SWIL that Cat is not quite as strong or euphoric as Meth. It has some legs, but they are more relaxed and easy going.

Learning to synth CAT will certainly help with understanding basic chemistry principles later.

Lukky D

is cat stronger than amphetamine?

No.

Methcathinone to SWIM is more of a euphoric, jacked up but still sitting there kinda buzz. You get very talkative and nervous like. The buzz is more similar to cocaine than meth, but no where near as good as either one. It will be an excellent starting point for a newbee mainly learning about meth. Practicing methcathinone synthesis a few times well help you prepare for making meth, as well as give you something a little worth while for your efforts.

As far as your route of choice, I suggest neither jones oxidation (dichromate salt and H2SO4) or cold synth with KMnO4. Both very easy for beginners.

aha. ok one more question.

what is the "easiest" synthesis of cat and meth?

i wanted to to cat with KmNO4 (i have few kilos

and meth via RP and iodine. what is the best RP/I synthesis?

thanks.

The best chances of success for a New-Bee, hands down, goes to the Long, Wet Reflux.

Lukky D

Not necessarily. Although it is harder to screw up a HI/rp reduction instead of rp/I2 reduction.

I already gave you the most easiest synths for methcathinone. Through jones reagent or cold KMnO4 synth. In either one you just mix shit together and wait, then extract the methcathinone. It doesnt get any easier than that.

Methcathinone(cat) is about as strong as racemic-meth', but not as strong as dextro-meth'. However, it's duration of effect is not as long either. It is about half as long for cat. The high is more tactile too.

It can also give one a ketone like smell or BO, but then the Atkin's diet does that too.

Cat is easier to make than meth'.

The Jone's reaction should give a good yeild.

Cat is also known as ephedrone or jeff in Russia and other Eastern European countries.

i posted this elsewhere. i use it and it works. i fuck up amphetamines so i make cat.



Sure, a book. You need pottassium permanganate. Pseudoephedrine. Lye. hcl. Distilled water. NP solvent(colemans, ether, toulene,etc.

You will need 1g pottassium permanganate per 2 1/2g of pseudoephedrine. Mix in a jar the pottassium with the water. About 15ml water per gram pottassium. Add your pseudo and shake it up. Stick this in the fridge for 8-12 hours.

Add enough lye dissolved in a small amount of water for the pH to be 9-10. Test it. Add the lye slowly while stirring with a plastic spoon. when the pH is 9-10, pour in your NP solvent(i use ether). Use as much ether as water/cat. Shake the fucker hard for at least 4 minutes. Then put it down and let it seperate. When its seperated, suck off the top layer(ether) with an eyedropper or syringe or something and put it in a clean jar. Pour some more ether into the pottassium/lye jar and shake the fucker again. Let it seperate again. Suck off the ether and add it to the other jar with the ether.

Now you have a jar with ether in it. In the ether is your cat freebase. Pour some water into the ether and again, shake that bitch. Let it seperate. Suck the water out, or the ether off, so you have the ether alone. Throw away the water.

To finish, put half as much water in with the ether. Drop in hcl ONE drop at a time, shaking and checking pH between drops. Stop adding hcl when the pH is 5-6. Definitely under 7. Shake it real good. When this has been done, remove the water layer(bottom) and evaporate it. The remaining crystals are methcathinone HCL.

The pottassium permanganate, get it in a pharmacy. Just ask the pharmacist. I get it at London Drugs for 100g =10$

The pseudo from decongestants. Figure out how to extract it yourself. Theres many posts about it.

The lye from any grocery store as drain cleaner. Aka sodium hydroxide.

The HCL as muriatic acid. From a hardware store.

NP solvent. Ether, starter fluid(you spray it in the air filter of your car), autoparts store. Colemans camp fuel, hardware store.

Well, have fun!

quote:Originally posted by Coca:

is cat stronger than amphetamine?

SWIM would say that cat is stronger than AMP, and close to the the strength of Race-meth, but cat is weaker then dextro-meth.

Cat also does not last as long as either race-meth or dextro-meth. The rush is simular, but the aftermath buzz seems more tactile than meth. If one wants to stay up >12 hours, meth would be the better one. However, if one wants to stay up for 6-8 hours, AMP or cat would be the better ones.

PS

Cat is also known as ephedrone or jeff, and it is a popular drug in eastern Europe.

[This message has been edited by DrY.R.Head (edited 07-03-2003).]

quote:Originally posted by poopeen:

i posted this elsewhere. i use it and it works. i fuck up amphetamines so i make cat.



Sure, a book. You need pottassium permanganate. Pseudoephedrine. Lye. hcl. Distilled water. NP solvent(colemans, ether, toulene,etc.

You will need 1g pottassium permanganate per 2 1/2g of pseudoephedrine. Mix in a jar the pottassium with the water. About 15ml water per gram pottassium. Add your pseudo and shake it up. Stick this in the fridge for 8-12 hours.

Add enough lye dissolved in a small amount of water for the pH to be 9-10. Test it. Add the lye slowly while stirring with a plastic spoon. when the pH is 9-10, pour in your NP solvent(i use ether). Use as much ether as water/cat. Shake the fucker hard for at least 4 minutes. Then put it down and let it seperate. When its seperated, suck off the top layer(ether) with an eyedropper or syringe or something and put it in a clean jar. Pour some more ether into the pottassium/lye jar and shake the fucker again. Let it seperate again. Suck off the ether and add it to the other jar with the ether.

Now you have a jar with ether in it. In the ether is your cat freebase. Pour some water into the ether and again, shake that bitch. Let it seperate. Suck the water out, or the ether off, so you have the ether alone. Throw away the water.

To finish, put half as much water in with the ether. Drop in hcl ONE drop at a time, shaking and checking pH between drops. Stop adding hcl when the pH is 5-6. Definitely under 7. Shake it real good. When this has been done, remove the water layer(bottom) and evaporate it. The remaining crystals are methcathinone HCL.

The pottassium permanganate, get it in a pharmacy. Just ask the pharmacist. I get it at London Drugs for 100g =10$

The pseudo from decongestants. Figure out how to extract it yourself. Theres many posts about it.

The lye from any grocery store as drain cleaner. Aka sodium hydroxide.

The HCL as muriatic acid. From a hardware store.

NP solvent. Ether, starter fluid(you spray it in the air filter of your car), autoparts store. Colemans camp fuel, hardware store.

Well, have fun!



Can anyone verify this one? Thanks.

ya someone who knows can u verify this kinda got my curiosity up and what is this pottasium perma.. stuff in how do you extract if u have to

I get pottassium permanganate from london drugs(kinda like wal-mart). I simply walk up to the pharmacy and ask the pharmacist "id like xxxg's of pottassium permanganate". He then goes to weigh it up, put it in a wee jar for me, and tells me the price. I pay for it and leave. That is how to get pottassium permanganate. Hope that might help someone. Also, the pottassium is pure with no need to extract or purify it.

[This message has been edited by poopeen (edited 07-07-2003).]