I've been training in Shotokan karate for 9 years now. I'm 18 years old and i love it much. I help my sensei teach classes twice a week. I been to a lot of tournaments all over the U.S. and have won some, but lost many more haha. I am a part of the ajka www.americanjka.com (http://www.americanjka.com) and hope to be the US team with them in WUKO. I will be testing for nidan in june. wish me luck guys!

I have been training in Lau Gar Kung Fu for around 5 years now. I'm hoping to enter the national competition this year.

i am thinking of joining a local judo dojo and was wondering if it was worth it. What are the pros and cons of it and how long would i have to train in order to effectively fight using judo.

quote:Originally posted by high school janitor:

i am thinking of joining a local judo dojo and was wondering if it was worth it. What are the pros and cons of it and how long would i have to train in order to effectively fight using judo.

A fair while, but its the same in any art.

im jealous of all of you ive been fascinted by fighting styles and other things in that area. i really want to learn.... can someone give me some advice i have power and strength but i dont know how to harness it and use it correctly :\

quote:Originally posted by DrDoom7878:

im jealous of all of you ive been fascinted by fighting styles and other things in that area. i really want to learn.... can someone give me some advice i have power and strength but i dont know how to harness it and use it correctly :\

Over the internet? Not really. Go to a few dojos, find a style you like and start training hard.

A word of advice to make sure you get a decent dojo

1. If the do not allow you to watch a few sessions to see how they are run, not a good dojo generally

2. If you have to sign up or are pressured to sign up for a certain number of months, again, not a good sign

3. Ask the head instructor for his credentials, take note and do some research on the association. If he refuses to, or gets angry about it, walk out.

There's more, but I forget right now...Anyway, give me your area and I'll see if I can find some Dojos / gyms in your area.

well im in san antonio tx right now but im moving to corona, california pretty soon so yea and thanx!

hey shotties, do you know of any good gyms in Brisbane? comtemplating muay thai or krav maga or what ever really...

quote:Originally posted by GuerillaWhite:

hey shotties, do you know of any good gyms in Brisbane? comtemplating muay thai or krav maga or what ever really...

You're lucky, QLD is a stronghold for Muay Thai and there are four major Muay Thai places in Brisneyland...

Valhalla Muay Thai Stables

217 Brunswick St, Fortitude Valley

(0417) 752 911

Lightning Strike Muay Thai(W.M.C./O.M.T.F)<-good sign

Sandgate

(07) 3298-5496

Muay Thai Kickboxing

Coorparoo

(07) 3849-7701

Muay Thai Boxing

23a Green St, Booval

(07) 3281-2656

So ring them up, see if you can go check some sessions out and find the method of training that you think would best suit you.

Personally I like the "Learn to fight by fighting" method.

quote:Originally posted by DrDoom7878:

well im in san antonio tx right now but im moving to corona, california pretty soon so yea and thanx!

Shotokan Karate

3812 PIERCE ST STE B1

RIVERSIDE, CA 92503

(951) 352-325

San Soo Kung Fu

3832 Pierce Street #A Riverside, CA 92503

951.689.9759

Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu

155 Enterprise Court

Corona, CA 92882

714-628-9400

Nice mix in there, just go check'em out, see what you like.

Been in four streetfights and won all of them.

Gonna start Hokutoruy Jiu-Jitsu, SW or Muay Thai before summer.

any muayi thai or bJJ in north east of england any 1 can recomend

i recomend John agar school of self defense for a wing chung instructor

http://www.wingchunnortheastenglandandscotland.co.uk/

10 years of ninjutsu (dads an instructor, started when i was 5, am now 15,) 2nd dan. Am traning at 5th but havent done 5th grading,

Don't know how to put this so I'll just say it.

What's your full ninjitsu style name and founder?

It's just I've seen a few 'ninja's' running around Totse and I've gotten fairly jaded.

quote:Originally posted by Faithless:



It's just I've seen a few 'ninja's' running around Totse and I've gotten fairly jaded.

A FEW?

And don't worry it's not just totse. Is there really anything he could say that would be correct. Honestly, who could be training him that would make it legit?

I personally did about a year and a half of Shao Lin Chaun Kung Fu, then finally had my eyes opened when I was almost disqaulified at a tournament for "excessive force". Now I train in Militech Fighting Systems and have never been happier.

I'm not sure if this is a growing trend or not, but the last two fights i have been able to make it to show me a new trend. At a local "battle of the champions" and last friday's (17th) "King of the Cage" I saw plenty of fighters employing the "slam". It used to be kind of a rarity, I'd see it as much as maybe a flying knee, but it seemed if the fight went on for more then 30 seconds you could expect atleast one guy to be picked up and forcefully slammed. This isn't just hard takedowns either. I think it's due in fact to alot of very sloppy jiu jitsu. Out of the 16+ fights at KOTC I don't think i saw one guy that had very impressive groundwork. And a few of the guys were from my gym, in fact the main fight ended with my guy, jason black, getting his shoulder dislocated from a slam.

So head my advice, work on your ground game, or atleast prepare for those inevitable slams.

quote:Originally posted by delzel:

and im just wondering but do any of you know if the blue dimond tatooed on somones shoulder is the mark of a true bodyguard. Thanks



Hah, thats some BS out of an Artemis Fowl book. My little brother loves those books... I thought they were kinda gay myself.

quote:Originally posted by Faithless:

Don't know how to put this so I'll just say it.

What's your full ninjitsu style name and founder?

It's just I've seen a few 'ninja's' running around Totse and I've gotten fairly jaded.

I suppose it's POSSIBLE... however, based on the info he's given (Or lack thereof) I kinda doubt it. Owning a handful of knives or whatever does not a ninja make. If weaponry made the ninja, I could take every fucking Ninja turtle on with a hand tied ehind my back.

I don't know if this pertains to this forum but here is a link to an ebook pdf file of a Army manual of hand to hand killing lessons.

I will delete this post if anyone feels it is not pertinent to this topic.

http://www.rapidshared.org/index.php?t=item&id=6324

quote:Originally posted by Cboys:

I suppose it's POSSIBLE... however, based on the info he's given (Or lack thereof) I kinda doubt it. Owning a handful of knives or whatever does not a ninja make. If weaponry made the ninja, I could take every fucking Ninja turtle on with a hand tied ehind my back.

I've seen a few "ninjas" myself. I guess skeptisism is to be expected. I do Shingan Bujinkan Ninjutsu/Taijutsu. Founded by my dad, hes blended Taijutsu and Ninjutsu and a bit of Budo aswell(Mainly because theyre almost identical styles, with the exception of budo)

Edit: Typo

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What qualifies him to found/make up his own style and what makes it any different than all of the other TMA dribble that's out there?

quote:Originally posted by NJTSU_Hardcore:

I do Shingan Bujinkan Ninjutsu/Taijutsu. Founded by my dad.

Errr....

quote:Originally posted by NJTSU_Hardcore:

I've seen a few "ninjas" myself. I guess skeptisism is to be expected. I do Shingan Bujinkan Ninjutsu/Taijutsu. Founded by my dad, hes blended Taijutsu and Ninjutsu and a bit of Budo aswell(Mainly because theyre almost identical styles, with the exception of budo)

Edit: Typo





I'm sure your dad's great pals with Hatsumi to use the Bujinkan name...

quote:Originally posted by TheZombieMan:

What qualifies him to found/make up his own style and what makes it any different than all of the other TMA dribble that's out there?

He learnt under Mast. Philip Jung, F.A.M.A is his NGB. You suggest a new style to a NGB and if approved your style is recognised.

Its pretty similar to all others but uses principle of water. Also, using the Bujinkan terminology doesnt mean you have to know the founder. Means you know the style. Too many inflated egos fly around this forum methinks. I thought the idea of this thread was to discuss styles, not try to prove who knows most? Correct me if im wrong

You may be confusing an inflated ego with a world-weary intelligence.

As far as I could tell this thread dealt with your personal experiences. My personal experiences have shown me that the TMA world has run rampant with BS.

What sorts of things do you do in your fathers classes. What's a normal class. These days, titles don't explain anything.

quote:Originally posted by TheZombieMan:

You may be confusing an inflated ego with a world-weary intelligence.

As far as I could tell this thread dealt with your personal experiences. My personal experiences have shown me that the TMA world has run rampant with BS.

What sorts of things do you do in your fathers classes. What's a normal class. These days, titles don't explain anything.

Yeah I agree and understand. Normal class? i guess a normal class starts with stancing. Then we move on to bo-staff or bokken training (ninja-to bokkens not katana bokkens) Basic body control and center of gravity. 10 minutes of sparring. Then a few pressups, situps, and then we do the blocking grid, a theory of his own. (Following the structure of a grid to remember blocking patterns)

A few theory questions, then bag work. Wall pads, focus pads, then we go into locks and throws. Then one hand sparing with no body movement. We usually do 3 hours a week. Theres no real stucture since its me. He doesnt teach anymore so his efforts are mainly focused on me.

3 hours a week seems like far too little, especially with all the stuff you do. Stancing, blocking grid, and one-hand sparring seem a little foolish. Not that I'm sure i understand it. I'm a strong proponent for "learning how to fight by fighting" I also don't really understand calling it Ninjitsu, it seems much like any other TMA training. Maybe the mentality is different, but does that really matter?

Don't look at this as me being nitpicky, I just see plenty of TMA fighters enter the ring/cage and get taught a very rough lesson. Those are the lucky ones, some people never learn that lesson, and some learn it in another more life-threatening position. Again, I'm not trying to nitpick, I just don't really understand it.

as a martial artist im very intrested in diff styles

i was wonderin with this ninjitsu , what are the principles behind it , where are the flaws in the art , whats it best for

just havent heard much but bullshit on this MA in the past.

do the compete in this MA ?

Also do u learn stealth or is this hollywood bullshit~>

im 15 and have taken two years of thai boxing and about one year combined of karate and thaikwondo i want to start krav maga but i live in a shit town that has nothing but im moving to califonia soon and plan to start more classes i took my thai boxing classes from a world famouse thai boxer named sim aka the punisher ( i know its from the movie but this guy was way before the movie) and no im not bragging) but i was wondering what are some good arts to get into that invole knife and or weapon fighting?

im taking a shoaling long pole form in march cant wit for that will be the first weapon i have been taught .

will try get some pics if possible in future of it .

best part is i get to buy my own 6ft wooden pole!

Gonna be taking it out with me everynight lol :P

I took about 1,5 year taekwondo and half a year "kickboxing"

I've been training at a good dojo for 1 year now, doing muay thai and grappling. Had my first grappling match one week ago and lost, but it doesn't really bother me since my opponent was 25 and I'm only 17. I'm better at striking then grappling anyway. I will be starting mma amature competition in a few months if school doesn't take up too much time.

Took Wing Chun for two years, Hung Gar/Seven Star Praying Mantis for a little under a year, and am about to start up Muay Thai in a month or two.

I have taken about 6-6.5 years of HanMooKwon TaeKwonDo under master Frank Griffis and also a little under Master John Pelligrini, although I stopped a few years ago after a back injury... I did a fair amount of weapons training with general swords/katana, nunchucks, clubs/short staves and a bit of long staves. I also did a bit with knives but that was mostly defense against them. I have been thinking a lot lately about re-joining because I've gotten into really good shape lately and going to college next year, I may need to re-up my self-defense skills for those nights that may end up getting messy, esp. in Boston.

brown in gojuru

quote:Originally posted by tinit:

as a martial artist im very intrested in diff styles

i was wonderin with this ninjitsu , what are the principles behind it , where are the flaws in the art , whats it best for

just havent heard much but bullshit on this MA in the past.

do the compete in this MA ?

Also do u learn stealth or is this hollywood bullshit~>

Hi, no, no holywood stealth shit. I do wear tabi boots, but... contuary to popular belief, not many people (to my knowlege) use them for running up walls. I doubt you can, you'd need foot spikes, and even then, youd need to be skilled, and even if you could, how the fuck would it help you?

So no, no learning how to spy on people.

And I do compete, I enter tournaments with the F.A.M.A.

The principles of this style? Well i guess to call it Ninjutsu is quite an overstatement in itself really, only 40% of the actual makeup of the style is Ninjutsu BASED.

The physical aspect is mainly "Block, Lock, and Drop" Wait for an attack, counter it, and floor the opponent. I guess its simpler than all the elaborate stuff. (Im no authority on other styles so I cant really make that comparrison)

(Block, Lock, and Drop is mainly meant to be no more than 3 or 4 moves. I think this principle is more beneficial in terms of a real life scenario)

Mental aspect and principles? Pretty much to make you realise that you are being taught not to hurt, but to defend yourself (and others if you want to) and isn't much for those guys who do karate in your school and are always searching for a fight.

Some psychological tactics get employed too, (this isnt just applied to this style) like feigning weakness, or fear, building up your opponents confidence, "anger blinds, and arrogance corrupts" and then whip his ass when hes not expecting it.

Cheers

Edit: I just realised after reading your post twice, you were asking about ninjutsu, i answered the question in relation to my dads variation of it. Just to avoid more speculation

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cool just seems like there is no real theory behind this lol whats the history of the art im guessing it going bck to the japan china feud?

so what would a ninjutsu practioner do if i was to throw a straight lead right hand jab to his head .

Block it , lock my arm and take me to ground in a arm lock >?

quote:Originally posted by tinit:

cool just seems like there is no real theory behind this lol whats the history of the art im guessing it going back to the japan china feud?

Ninjutsu was founded by groups of Ronin. Samurais with no masters. They lived in the mountains and made their own weapons (they were exiled, working as assasins or mercenaries). They spread rumors in towns of invisible swordsmen (throwing stars would bounce off after impact and the guards would think it was the invisible swordsmen.) Ninjas were extremely clever, they were the first to use handheld firearms.

They were experts in psychological warfare, making noises etc. They were very adaptable, they had a weapon called a Yari-Spear, which if you removed the blade, was just a hollow stick of bamboo, which they could breathe through while underwater. They kept itching powder (just dust and sand and other powders) and would throw it in their attackers eyes. Most ninjas carried bokkens or bo staffs (wooden swords) As they couldnt cut themselves and there was no blood to clean up or hide from other guards. They could just club an enemy to death or stun them.

They wore hand and foot spikes for climbing trees etc. They were very well equiped. Grappling hooks were also their thing. All i can think fo right now. Hope this helps.

Now, ninjutsu doesnt teach these skills, only the hand to hand and weapon based fighting system they used. The stealth skills were seperate from their art of combat.



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quote:Originally posted by NJTSU_Hardcore:

The stealth skills were seperate from their art of combat.



They were called the Santo Tonko no Kata and Shinobi Gaeshi no Kata weren't they?

i took karate when i was little but took none of it in and now i kind of want to take muay thai or krav maga i like the styles but i also like boxing and grondwork arts if you guys got any ideas

i'm 5'4 105 and 15

and i can't kick for shit

Try thai boxing somwhat like krav mage but got more boxing in it plus you do alot of leg work

quote:Originally posted by Silver Cold:

Try thai boxing somwhat like krav mage but got more boxing in it plus you do alot of leg work

Krav maga is Muay Thai now?

quote:Originally posted by Shotties:

They were called the Santo Tonko no Kata and Shinobi Gaeshi no Kata weren't they?

You're most probably right. I don't know for sure but Shinobi Gaeshi sounds about right.

and btw i forgot to mention, female ninjas were called kunochis and had pretty much a seperate style. Different weapons too, throwing knives with a ring for a handle called kunai, they never used swords, only knives, and they used sex as a way of getting close to warlords etc. Basically whores with knives. Very clever though

quote:Originally posted by TaintThisVirginMind:

i took karate when i was little but took none of it in and now i kind of want to take muay thai or krav maga i like the styles but i also like boxing and grondwork arts if you guys got any ideas

i'm 5'4 105 and 15

and i can't kick for shit

You're a prett small guy, but you're also still young, look for a MMA gym locally. They will teach you stand-up and groundwork, but honestly, for little guys, I think it's best to just learn grappling, look for Jiu jitsu or BJJ classes locally.

ya i'm pretty tiny i was thinking about bjj so i'll look around.

My friend was talking about something aikido but i've only heard about haikido is there a difference or did someone jist spell it different

Nah, I'm not real pro on the aikido, but yeah, JJ/BJJ is something that any sized person could take advantage of. Or atleast to more extent then alot fo other options, IMHO.

quote:Originally posted by TaintThisVirginMind:

ya i'm pretty tiny i was thinking about bjj so i'll look around.

My friend was talking about something aikido but i've only heard about haikido is there a difference or did someone jist spell it different



They are different.

Hapkido-http://tinyurl.com/gcqfb

Aikido-http://tinyurl.com/6sg66

Grappling-BJJ

Standing combat-Krav Maga is my favorite but Muay Thai is good as well.

Throws-Judo, Aikido

I have a post somewhere thats a pretty in depth explanation of different styles, I will look for it.

Shotokan Karate. It's just something I've been taught. I had a Malaysian teacher in Iceland, but with something like that I think the biggest discoveries you make on your own. Obviously it's a defense thing, but it's very focused. It basically aims to kill in one hit, but it's a lot about breathing. It allows you to use oxygen as a fuel for what you do. It's one of the few physical things that's good to teach singers to breathe and run at the same time. So it's really good for gigs.

quote:Originally posted by Bjork:

Shotokan Karate. It's just something I've been taught. I had a Malaysian teacher in Iceland, but with something like that I think the biggest discoveries you make on your own. Obviously it's a defense thing, but it's very focused. It basically aims to kill in one hit, but it's a lot about breathing. It allows you to use oxygen as a fuel for what you do. It's one of the few physical things that's good to teach singers to breathe and run at the same time. So it's really good for gigs.



I did a very basic shotokhan karate form in my old studio, Heia Nedan. I enjoyed my brief taste of the style very much.

I hold a first degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do and study Tai Chi Chuan Yang style on the side.

quote:Originally posted by freedom_fighter2004:

I hold a first degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do and study Tai Chi Chuan Yang style on the side.



so whatyou been concentrarin on in the thai chi??? i study wing chung and been thinking about branchin into tai chi coz of the eternal art i wud like to study that

quote:Originally posted by tinit:



so whatyou been concentrarin on in the thai chi??? i study wing chung and been thinking about branchin into tai chi coz of the eternal art i wud like to study that

From what i know Wing Chun systems lend themselves to Tai Chi very well for understanding how the body moves and the principles of the art IE: How to be soft without being weak, how to know when you yield with your legs and arms. However, unlike Wing Chun, in pure Tai Chi there is very little direct combat application. Even "Combat" Tai Chi is dubious to it's effectiveness.

Speaking of practical combat forms, here are two Army combatives manuals, the first one you must download, the second one is html-

http://rapidshare.de/files/8364132/Hand_to_Hand_Killing.zip

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-25-150/index.html

The first one is dated 1992, and seems to be a kind of krav-maga similar compilation of many skills and styles. The second one is dated 2002 and seems more ground-fighting oriented. I prefer the first one. What do you guys think?

Anyone ever heard of Nei Kung? There is a gym for this martial art in my town, but I had never heard of it before.

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didnt actually read it, but I took jujitsu, and I am learning jeet kwan do(the fighting style that bruce lee uses) froom dead or alive 2 and 3. it is a very fun fighting style.



~agent orange.

I've been doing shotokan karate since I was 5. I've noticed a lot of people have been studying several different martial arts. I live in a small hick town so nothing else, besides kung fu, is even available as far as I know. Well, all that is kind of irrevevant since I feel as if I'd be almost betraying my sensei if I took up another martial art. I'm like that.

Worm

quote:Originally posted by burntoffering:

I am learning jeet kwan do(the fighting style that bruce lee uses) froom dead or alive 2 and 3. it is a very fun fighting style.



~agent orange.

I hate you.

lololol

im taking a shoalin 6ft pole course on sat

any helpfull hints or any one do any shoalin arts?

quote:Originally posted by burntoffering:

didnt actually read it, but I took jujitsu, and I am learning jeet kwan do(the fighting style that bruce lee uses) froom dead or alive 2 and 3. it is a very fun fighting style.



~agent orange.

Please tell me you are a troll.

Read all of his other posts. No better.

are you sayin u learning it and its the style from them games

or

u learning the style from the game ? ( using the game as training or as a refernce source ) coz if its the latter then thats jsut rediculous

shaolin kung fu. ive bee conditioning my arms on one of those wooden dommies and man does that hurt like a bitch! its starting to pay off though, does anyone else here train like this.

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Granted jiu jitsu can look a little poofy, but that's really its only downfall. I never even think baout it from a third person POV. I'm just too used ot it, me and this wrestler were messing around in gym class and I had him in my gaurd. the substitute teacher walked in and said "What the hell are you guys doing?". I always forget what that stuff looks like to other grappling-virgin eyes.

Haha, whenever I get a mate in my guard they start squealing about how gay it is. You just arm bar them and see if they still think it's gay.

If they don't like being in guard, they should get out.

Yeah, luckily it's not like tai chi or something, you might look stupid, but people will be less inclined to mouth it to your face when you can so efficiently back it up. I once threw a kid to the ground and went into the mount position (note: I did not say "mounted him") and one of his buddies said "look, he's fucking humping him". I just turned and said "you're next".

hahahaha PWND faithless good pic

yeh JJ luks very gay lol but as you said not as gay wehn youve won the fight lol

i watched wild boys last night ( steve o and chris pontius) they went to brazil and did sum BJJ lol they got pwnd and steve o got pwnd by a girl was amusing.

they also did sum chaparo ( duno how to spell it ) was the slave MA / dance

luks very effecctive but that s probs coz its all flary kicks and spins .

any one practiced this MA or know alot bout it ?

quote:Originally posted by insaneScorcerer:

shaolin kung fu. ive bee conditioning my arms on one of those wooden dommies and man does that hurt like a bitch! its starting to pay off though, does anyone else here train like this.

The wooden dummy is not meant to be a tool for conditioning arms. It is used for developing spring and off lining when you come up against an opponent bigger and stronger than you.

I start Krav Maga in April. Fuck yeah. About damn time this shit started here in Aus.

quote:Originally posted by tinit:



any one practiced this MA or know alot bout it ?

Capoeira. JewDude knows a good deal about it. I know some. I believe he was considering taking it last time I heard. Please take the extra two seconds to spell, though, as I won't feel inclined to respond if you don't.

quote:Originally posted by Loc Dogg:

I start Krav Maga in April. Fuck yeah. About damn time this shit started here in Aus.

Make sure it's endorsed by the official Krav Maga Association. Lot of McDojo's claiming to teach authentic Krav out there. Oh, and if they're not, fire them off an email- The Krav Ass. will try and take their property, house included, if they don't stop impersonating a valid instructor. It's very hard to become one, and Krav Maga takes this kind of thing incredibly seriously.

quote:Originally posted by Loc Dogg:

I start Krav Maga in April. Fuck yeah. About damn time this shit started here in Aus.

It's been down here for three years at least.

Hello,

I kinda hate to ask this question but Im ooking for the most helpful martial art that can be used in a "street fight". As of now i'v spent about a year and a half in jujitsu. But I noticed that most martial arts are only useful if you are fighting someone else who is using a martial art.I was thinking about learning kickboxing because its a use of both legs and fists. Its not just based on one or the other.

And im not some punk kid whos looking for a fight. I love the discipline. But im also looking for something that would best benefit my self incase if ever got caught in a tough situation.

Thankyou for any responses

-USD-

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quote:Originally posted by unsafedreams:

Hello,.....



If a martial art is only useful against someone else who practices, then what's the point? What kind of jiu jitsu are you taking?!?!

Some of the my jujitsu stuff got a raised eyebrow - such as having to practice female rape defence even when I'm male.

The picture just cracked me up.

Anyone who seriously thinks BJJ is gay has never had coed classes.

quote:Originally posted by Random_Looney:

Anyone who seriously thinks BJJ is gay has never had coed classes.

Lol, I know a few girls I wouldn't mind practicing jiu jitsu with.

quote:Originally posted by Random_Looney:

Anyone who seriously thinks BJJ is gay has never had coed classes.

Some of the old school tying people up classes definetly registered on the 'whoa, hot' scale.

Sadly I didn't get no hot brunette as a partner on those days.

I Been doing Vale Tudo for about 3 years now , i boxed befo

quote:Originally posted by Random_Looney:

Capoeira. JewDude knows a good deal about it. I know some. I believe he was considering taking it last time I heard. Please take the extra two seconds to spell, though, as I won't feel inclined to respond if you don't.

Capoeria is not really a practical martial arts form. It is very beautiful, an incredible form of exercise, helps to work on gymnastic and acrobatic movements; however, it does not involve (to my rather limited knowledge) any system of defenses, but rather a ritualized combination of dancing and fighting. I highly recomend it as an aerobic activity and for work on agility, but not for self defense. It could also help if you wanted to pick up break dancing :-).

BTW-Coed Jujitsu sparring....rocks....soo much.

quote:Originally posted by JewDude2:

Capoeria is not really a practical martial arts form. It is very beautiful, an incredible form of exercise, helps to work on gymnastic and acrobatic movements; however, it does not involve (to my rather limited knowledge) any system of defenses, but rather a ritualized combination of dancing and fighting. I highly recomend it as an aerobic activity and for work on agility, but not for self defense. It could also help if you wanted to pick up break dancing :-).

BTW-Coed Jujitsu sparring....rocks....soo much.

It was first developed by slaves who didn't want their owners to know they were practising a fighting art. So they made it look like dancing. However, when slavery became illegal in Brazil it just became an entertaining form of dance. It holds very little (and at most schools none) defence techniques.

I think when slavery was outlawed some Capoeria started removing what they didn't need and it gradually developed into BJJ. I'm not entirely sure about this though. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

I'm sure your dad's great pals with Hatsumi to use the Bujinkan name...

Dr Hatsumi is my Grandfather no really.....

Anyway, I have trained at one (shit) Tae-kwon Do school for a year then moved to Master Sahota's school. This is in England. I have been training for 3 years and am a couple months away from my 1st Dan grading.

I have become very interested in WuShu Kung-Fu though..

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quote:Originally posted by zumtream:



I think when slavery was outlawed some Capoeria started removing what they didn't need and it gradually developed into BJJ. I'm not entirely sure about this though. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

Not true. A Japanese Count called Count Koma (I think) taught traditional Jiu Jitsu to Carlos Gracie as a favour to his Gracie's father. Coma left about 3/4 of the way through the training, so Carlos and Helio had to develop the rest, with Helio coming up with the leverage attacks to make up for his lack of strength.

quote:Originally posted by zumtream:

It was first developed by slaves who didn't want their owners to know they were practising a fighting art. So they made it look like dancing. However, when slavery became illegal in Brazil it just became an entertaining form of dance. It holds very little (and at most schools none) defence techniques.

I think when slavery was outlawed some Capoeria started removing what they didn't need and it gradually developed into BJJ. I'm not entirely sure about this though. Does anyone know if this is true or not?



Your story about the development is roughly correct, but in the modern world it has become more a ritualised dance than a fighting style.

Shotties pretty well summed up BJJ's development for you, the two are almost totally unrelated.

I learned shotokan karate for 6 years and I've been doing krav maga for two months now. In two months of KM I've learned more about fighting than all 6 years of SK. I love it, the training is very intensive and it's designed to build strength, endurance, skill and aggression - there's no bullshit katas or slow practise of techniques for physical discipline and there's no flying kicks/powerbombs or anything else that looks good but if ever used in a real fight would...have bad results.

Hello I'm Faithless and I've just started Muay Thai at a local gym.

quote:Originally posted by Shotties:

Not true. A Japanese Count called Count Koma (I think) taught traditional Jiu Jitsu to Carlos Gracie as a favour to his Gracie's father. Coma left about 3/4 of the way through the training, so Carlos and Helio had to develop the rest, with Helio coming up with the leverage attacks to make up for his lack of strength.

Cheers. I think i heard about the BJJ/Capoeria connection through www.martialartsplanet.com (http://www.martialartsplanet.com)

I should really start checking facts before i open my mouth

Anyway, to change the topic a bit, i watched the two Gracie vs Yoshida fights that happened a few years back. Before i give my opinions on the fights i want to know what you guys think about the controversy. I know Shotties will have something to say.

quote:Originally posted by zumtream:

Cheers. I think i heard about the BJJ/Capoeria connection through www.martialartsplanet.com (http://www.martialartsplanet.com)

I should really start checking facts before i open my mouth

Anyway, to change the topic a bit, i watched the two Gracie vs Yoshida fights that happened a few years back. Before i give my opinions on the fights i want to know what you guys think about the controversy. I know Shotties will have something to say.

Don't stress on the BJJ thing, you weren't trying to state it as fact.

Anyway, I have no memory for specific fights, but was Yoshida V Gracie the one where the ref called submission on Royler Gracie despite the fact that there was a "No ref interference" agreement?

quote:Originally posted by Faithless:

Hello I'm Faithless and I've just started Muay Thai at a local gym.

Don't stop there, make yourself a well-rounded fighter or find yourself in a well-rounded unconscious ball on the floor.

How is it though?

i just learnt the forms for the thai mantis 6ft pole , and i loved it. Im gonna be practicing this for a long time , i thought it would be soo hard but it wasnt that bad the stances are great and the hand manouvers up and down the pole can get confusing but in the end are easy . only 1 bad thing is the after burn lol im not used to holding a 6ft pole for hours in akward stances lol.

any 1 else no theese forms or have heard of them . also any 1 else do anyother pole forms , i really wanna do the Wing Chun one as i have seen my sifu perfom it and its alot more direct and brutal lol

and Random_Looney if you dont like how i spell then dont reply at all even if it is just to tell me to spell lol . ( and by the way ts coz im in work and i dont get a chance to proof read before i submit )



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quote:Originally posted by TheZombieMan:

How is it though?

I'm curious as well.

Tinit, I post from work all the time and don't have any problems spelling things fairly well the first time. Some typographical errors are understandable, but it's much easier to get responses if people don't have to interpret posts :-). You don't need to have impeccable grammar like I do, but both Faithless and I do like intelligible posts (not attempting to claim yours aren't, or insult you).

Does anyone know anything about Temple of the Full Autumn moon? Apparently they make sketchy claims and I bet someone here has something to say about them

quote:Originally posted by TheZombieMan:

How is it though?

It's not the best gym in the world, nor does it have the best teachers. But it's local and teaches reasonably good techinque.

2hr session goes like this - 30 min's skipping and warming up, 30 mins learning some moves, 30 min's pad work, 30 mins sparring and after a couple of months I can spar with the instructors.

I've already got a background in Ju Jitsu and Boxing so I've got a fair idea of what's right and wrong.

quote:Originally posted by tinit:



the thai mantis 6ft pole

Guh?

quote:Originally posted by Random_Looney:

Tinit

It's not just a problem with spelling or trivial grammar, he uses number symbols in replace of words. No capitalization, uses punctuation, but otherwise completely throws out sentance structure. I don't enjoy reading through "IM" typing. I've posted from work and school aswell, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them and another done at home. This is "coz" I give a crap. Shape it up Tinit.

Sounds good to me Faithless, even if the teachers aren't the best in the world, hell, not everyone can be as lucky as me.

quote:Originally posted by Shotties:

Guh?

Sounds like a big stick.

Anybody actually carry the martial art weapons they train in (ie nunchakus,jo,katana)?

I've taken Martial Arts all my life, did the whole TaeKwonDo thing until I was 15 or so.

For around the last 7 years I've been doing Boxing, muay Thai and Brazilain Jiu-Jitsu.

I'm about to start fighting Professional, just need a few more bouts before I make the leap into the big time.

I could do it now, but because my gym has a HUGE reputation to protect I wanna make sure I don't embarrass myself or my gym.

Looks like I won't be doing Muay Thai after all.

Turns out Europe has a diet coke version - no elbow strikes at all and no kicks/ kneeing of the head. Which kind of pisses me off when you can't do the best stuff. The only time I've ever been floored in sparring was by an elbow strike to my cheekbone.

Looks like its off to the local boxing gym instead.

quote:Originally posted by Faithless:

Looks like its off to the local boxing gym instead.

An honorable choice, too bad to see mauy thai so watered down. That is the first step down a slippery slope.

That does suck. Sorry to hear it.

I've just started hapkido, anybody had experiences with how useful it is?

The blackbelts there cant stop talking about how effective it is against kickboxing and similar.

I've noticed that it's all really watered down compared to japanese jujitsu which I do a bit of, and a lot of the things are related to.

quote:Originally posted by jamez:

The blackbelts there cant stop talking about how effective it is against kickboxing and similar.

The better you are, the less you talk.

quote:Originally posted by Shotties:

The better you are, the less you talk.

The best sentence I've read yet.

quote:Originally posted by TheZombieMan:

It's not just a problem with spelling or trivial grammar, he uses number symbols in replace of words. No capitalization, uses punctuation, but otherwise completely throws out sentance structure. I don't enjoy reading through "IM" typing. I've posted from work and school aswell, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them and another done at home. This is "coz" I give a crap. Shape it up Tinit.

Sounds good to me Faithless, even if the teachers aren't the best in the world, hell, not everyone can be as lucky as me.

and your just gay so in response to your msg ....fuck you :P

and yes that 6ft pole form was taught to my sif by allan lamb so it aint just a big stick form its a kickass big stick form

quote:Originally posted by crackhead:

Anybody actually carry the martial art weapons they train in (ie nunchakus,jo,katana)?

I usually have my sword in my car, because I'm "on my way" to or from lessons.

http://tinyurl.com/lhpaj

Ok, I didn't want to bring in a whole new thread because of this, but just wanted to let you know that that retard has called the entire W&C forum "assholes".

I think this calls for some measures against this moron's posts on the forum...

The guy can say what he likes elsewhere.

Even idiots have free speech if they can follow the forum rules.

quote:Originally posted by Faithless:

Even idiots have free speech if they can follow the forum rules.

And they sure do love to neanderthalithically pound that one into our heads.

quote:Originally posted by tinit:

and your just gay so in response to your msg ....fuck you

Did you know that the figure 4 leglock really does exist?!

quote:Originally posted by tinit:

any muayi thai or bJJ in north east of england any 1 can recomend

i recomend John agar school of self defense for a wing chung instructor

h ttp://www. wingchunno rtheastenglandandscotland.co.uk/ (http: //www.wing chunnorthe astengland andscotlan d.co.uk/)

Combat Forum and Pete Mcqueens club both teach Jujitsu/Vale Tudo and Muay Thai. Both Clubs are in Sunderland.

i just started in martial arts, im takin wado kai karate im goin for my yellow belt pretty soon

Does anyone know of any Krav Maga schools close to Naperville Illinois? I have three large schools around me, but they are all an hour away.

I'm trying to decide between Wing Chun, Krav Maga, and Muay Thai.

I can't find a Muay Thai school farther out from Chicago, or a Krav Maga school closer then an hour away.

What are your opinions of Wing Chun? How would it work in a street fight?

just passed my purple belt(2nd) gradin in wing chung on sat

yeeeeeeeeeeeey!!!

Well done.

hey I've heard about a 3 sword style of fighting. I asked my sensei about it and he said he'd heard of it but didn't see how it could be done. Any one have any info?

quote:Originally posted by Defekt:

Does anyone know of any Krav Maga schools close to Naperville Illinois? I have three large schools around me, but they are all an hour away.



http://www.kravmaga.com/schoollocations.asp

http://www.kravmaga.com/illinois.asp

quote:Originally posted by raizel_234:

hey I've heard about a 3 sword style of fighting. I asked my sensei about it and he said he'd heard of it but didn't see how it could be done. Any one have any info?

I know theres an indian martial art that requires you to have two blades in hand and and one on your waist but I forget the name and for the life of me I can't find anything on it.

Sure you're not thinking about the three bladed dagger?

Edit: I just got home from work, don't bug me about spelling!

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I cant be sure exactly, but I think its a variant of japanese art and invloves two katans and one tanto or maybe a wakasashi (seplling?).

quote:Originally posted by Shotties:

Don't stress on the BJJ thing, you weren't trying to state it as fact.

Anyway, I have no memory for specific fights, but was Yoshida V Gracie the one where the ref called submission on Royler Gracie despite the fact that there was a "No ref interference" agreement?

Sorry for taking so long to reply. I've been busy with a new job for the past few days.

The Yoshida and Gracie fought on 2 separate occasions. You can find them on google video and they are pretty interesting and very controversial. The first fight, in Japan, was grappling rules only with no striking. Yoshida dominated the match and was well in control throughout. However the controversy came when Yoshida put on a choke hold on Gracie. Yoshida called the ref to check Gracie and the ref pretty much immediately called for the bell stating that Gracie was knocked out and the bout was called to Yoshida. It took a while for Gracie to get top his feet but when he did he protested that he was fine and the fight should have continued.

The second fight involved both grappling and striking but, not surprisingly, both men went to ground and spend most of the match grappling. It was divided into 2 round of 6 minutes (i think). The first round was pretty even but in the second Gracie dominated. He managed to get a mount towards the end and did a lot of pounding that Yoshida had no response to. However because there was not a KO the fight was called as a draw (there were no judges to call a winner if it went to time).

The fights have infuriated the Gracie family and BJJ practitioners because they believe Gracie was cheated in both matches (bad call in the first fight and no decision in the second). However i think that Yoshida definitely deserved to win the first fight, even if he did win in a slightly questionable way. The second fight clearly went to Gracie most likely due to Yoshida inexperience with striking.

But check them out on google videos. Great fights.

quote:Originally posted by Defekt:



What are your opinions of Wing Chun? How would it work in a street fight?

Check out which organisation it is first. There are many different sub shoots of Wing Chun all that teach differently. My club recently broke off from the Leung Ting Wing Tsun organisation because it was putting too many restrictions on my club in terms of becoming a money maker.

We have since gone independent and teach in a much more realistic and flexible manner.

If you can find a good Wing Chun school it is a great art to study. It mainly focus's on punching with elbows and some low kicks coming in at close range. It's designed for realistic defence rather than aesthetics or showboating like so many martial arts are turning into nowadays. But check out the club first, what how they train, what the teacher is like and if it is for you go for it.

Hi guys!

I am obsessed with the martial arts.

I studied Karate for two years, I have had experience in Lao Gar, I am a blackbelt in WTF Tae Kwon Do and I started Judo a few months ago.

I'm 15 and I've got a school show, a demo to music, next Thursday! I'm also competing in the TAGB welsh championships on 21st May.

A word of advice (please don't flame) Leigh Childs is a little bitch. He charges extortionately and got to red belt (2 from black) before leaving us to set up his own association as a ninth Dan!

quote:Originally posted by raizel_234:

I cant be sure exactly, but I think its a variant of japanese art and invloves two katans and one tanto or maybe a wakasashi.

Tanto and wakazashi are essentially the same thing - my understanding is that it's called a wakazashi because it's held by a samurai as opposed to a ninja.

A three sword style? The only time i've ever heard of something like that is in the manga one-piece (not a flame - i'm used to reinvent yourself thread so i mean no offense). I do have to agree with your sensei though - I just don't see how it could be done.

Possibly it could be a three &lt;i&gt;blade&lt;i/&gt; style? that one seems more plausible; a double-ended blade in one hand with anormal sword in the other.

quote:Originally posted by tinit:

as a martial artist im very intrested in diff styles

i was wonderin with this ninjitsu , what are the principles behind it , where are the flaws in the art , whats it best for

just havent heard much but bullshit on this MA in the past.

do the compete in this MA ?

Also do u learn stealth or is this hollywood bullshit~&gt;

it all depends on which "style" of ninjutsu you train in. I don't really know what the differences are because I haven't trained in it in over 14 years and i'm only 20 years old =P (grew up in japan - can't remember much of anything because it was all done through my hoykuyen). What I do understand is that many of the styles concentrate on the combative portion and soul understanding techniques (which in essence is done in every martial art). When I trained in it, I do remember that I had to get past people to a certain point - it was all done as a moving hide and seek game, which is the most efficient way of teaching those kinds of principles to young kids. Though a lot of the stealth that is portrayed as a principle of being a ninja, is hollywood bullshit (at least the old old kung fu movies got part of the titles right - ninjas of the shaolin temple? close but it'd be moshu nanren of the shaolin temple).

Ask for the credentials of the instructor if you want to train in it and follow up with your own research. good luck.

quote:Originally posted by MisiuOni:

Tanto and wakazashi are essentially the same thing - my understanding is that it's called a wakazashi because it's held by a samurai as opposed to a ninja.

It's more a question of length. A tanto is basically a knife, and the wakizashi is the "companion sword" for the katana although in different periods a shorter companion sword called kodachi was worn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakizashi

Is it just me, or are hot girls who do martial arts hotter than hot girls?

quote:Originally posted by Mars:

Is it just me, or are hot girls who do martial arts hotter than hot girls?

whole heartedly agree! I love a girl who can kick my ass!

edit:

quote:

It's more a question of length. A tanto is basically a knife, and the wakizashi is the "companion sword" for the katana although in different periods a shorter companion sword called kodachi was worn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakizashi [/B]

i've read those before and i misunderstood the article on the tanto. i thought that they were referring to the tanto by another name (wakizashi).

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Is anyone who does tae kwon do entering the Welsh championships on the 21st?

quote:Originally posted by MisiuOni:

A three sword style? The only time i've ever heard of something like that is in the manga one-piece (not a flame - i'm used to reinvent yourself thread so i mean no offense). I do have to agree with your sensei though - I just don't see how it could be done.

Possibly it could be a three &lt;i&gt;blade&lt;i/&gt; style? that one seems more plausible; a double-ended blade in one hand with anormal sword in the other.

Could be one sword in each hand, one on your waist (or back, or wherever). Seems pointless, but I dunno. Maybe three different length swords on you at all times for the point of eccentricity?

Oh, oh, MA threads with no-to-low IQ popping up. This thread needs a good ol' <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/pebg8">http://tinyurl.com/pebg8" width="90" height="90 (http://tinyurl.com/pebg8" width="90" height="90)</A> in da pumpkin.

The second CarbonB stops posting we'll be back to normal.

I never understood that. Why does a poster have to call someone a "moron", a "retard" or a "degenerate imbeciel" everytime someone makes a slip-up?

Why can't people just correct each other in a calm and civilised fashion, and not like CarbonB's upsets?

Anyway, not to make this post useless:

A good thing to know about MAs is that no matter how many times someone shows you a how to perform a strike, you never know if tyhe strike will have any effect on the target. That's why the ol' "Bauhds doo naught struyk bach" line is unusable : if you do not practice your strikes on solid objects, you just might end up performing them to no effect.

Observe : strike-practicing kyokushinkai students vs Wing Chun and Drunken Fist practitioners who didn't train the power of their strikes.

They make a few solid hits here and there, but the kyok practitioners swing those feet like hurricanes.

http://tinyurl.com/o4cgz

Kyokushin Pwns.

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quote:Originally posted by Shotties:

Kyokushin Pwns.



We r teh 1337!

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More Kyokushin practitioner self congratulation! (http://tinyurl.com/k2oee)

You can hear the Aussie crowd in that video, then the Aussie fighter busts out an awesome roll kick.

Addmit it: you posted that because of the Ausie

Here's a footage of what I am looking forward to achieve one day:

the 100 man kumite

http://tinyurl.com/m3926

quote:Originally posted by Alek Tricity:

I never understood that. Why does a poster have to call someone a "moron", a "retard" or a "degenerate imbeciel" everytime someone makes a slip-up?

Why can't people just correct each other in a calm and civilised fashion, and not like CarbonB's upsets?

Anyway, not to make this post useless:

A good thing to know about MAs is that no matter how many times someone shows you a how to perform a strike, you never know if tyhe strike will have any effect on the target. That's why the ol' "Bauhds doo naught struyk bach" line is unusable : if you do not practice your strikes on solid objects, you just might end up performing them to no effect.

Observe : strike-practicing kyokushinkai students vs Wing Chun and Drunken Fist practitioners who didn't train the power of their strikes.

They make a few solid hits here and there, but the kyok practitioners swing those feet like hurricanes.

http://tinyurl.com/o4cgz

What the hell? There wasn't a single bit of wing chun in that video. It was some dumb kind of drunken boxing. I practise Wing Chun and we do sparring and pad work all the time.

This is another case of the internet labelling something incorrectly to get more views. Shit, if people think that is Wing Chun then need to learn more.

The third fighter was wing chun, but he was so ineffective that the match was stopped.



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quote:Originally posted by Alek Tricity:

The third fighter was wing chun, but he was so ineffective that the match was stopped.



If that was Wing Chun it is some strange bastardisation that i have never seen before. There wasn't a single technique that i recognised. His stance wasn't anything like a wing chun stance and neither was his guard. It looks like some form of Southern Chinese kung fu because of the low kicks and use of the elbow but it certainly wasn't any Wing Chun that i recognised. I would bet that the video has been mislabelled.

Here's a good example of how NOT to act in a groundfighting situation.

http://www.rumblevids.com/showvideo.php?id=1680

He makes the major mistake when he turns his back to Royce. He panicked and tried to get up to go back to a stand up fight. Lots of streetfighters will act this way.

Page four!!!

quote:Originally posted by HARDMAN:

Here's a good example of how NOT to act in a groundfighting situation.

http:// www.rumble (http: //www.rumb levids.com /showvideo .php?id=16 80) vids.com/s howvideo.php?id=1680

He makes the major mistake when he turns his back to Royce. He panicked and tried to get up to go back to a stand up fight. Lots of streetfighters will act this way.



dont even let then get you on the ground

when sreetfighters try to grab you

they usually lead with their face

makes an easy target

also

anyone combine boxing with any form of karate?

my friend was in boxing for a while.

we are at the same level in gojuru karate

and he kicks my ass in sparing

i was thinking of trying boxing

my sensi says its cool

quote:Originally posted by Trooper555:



dont even let then get you on the ground

when sreetfighters try to grab you

they usually lead with their face

makes an easy target

also

anyone combine boxing with any form of karate?

my friend was in boxing for a while.

we are at the same level in gojuru karate

and he kicks my ass in sparing

i was thinking of trying boxing

my sensi says its cool

Who's granma'?

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^^^ Old, but classic skills.

I've decided to go to a "functional" martial arts school, that teaches a combo of bjj, muy tai, and something else I can't remember. I was sceptical, but my friend who has some amatuer boxing national titles under his belt, and does mma recomended it, and he's easily the toughest motherfucker I know.

Here's the link to the site, I wan't some criticism.

http://www.richbeaupit.com/

Also, I know someone who's a crazy fucking wrestler for real. He's got a bunch of international titles, gold and silver, I was just about to post the particular titles and dates, but then realized that would give his identity away completely.

Anyway, with such talent to spar with at my disposal, it seems common sense to do this bjj/muy tai thing plus boxing and wrestling.

I know it's cliche these days to hear that bjj/muy tai/boxing/wrestling is the best combo, so who disagrees with this? If so, whats better?

quote:Originally posted by great_sage=heaven:



I know it's cliche these days to hear that bjj/muy tai/boxing/wrestling is the best combo, so who disagrees with this? If so, whats better?

I agree that they're all good solid martial arts, but with popularity comes imitators...

^You seem to know what you're talking about. What do you think of the website?

Also, I've always thought judo was uber cool, but is too close to jiu jitsu to bother trying both?

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overall fitness centered approach to the martial arts.

Made me a tad concerned. As did the massive straw man that was the "Martial arts myths" section.

Another part I didn't like was the kids section. "We don't train kids, we help them reach their full potential". Sounds like marketing to parents rather then a serious commitement.

Another thing, just as a general rule, any dojo that promotes it's own four letter program for self defence (such as S.A.F.E) is usually C.R.A.P.

Generally though, the only way to learn anything is to go, talk to the teacher, ask what credentials they have, ask to see them and see if they let you sit in on a lesson. If you have any trouble with any of that, just walk out and don't go back.

quote:Originally posted by Shotties:

Another part I didn't like was the kids section. "We don't train kids, we help them reach their full potential". Sounds like marketing to parents rather then a serious commitement.



Gotta pay the bills. Plus, they're probably covering their ass. If the kid gets beat up, they don't want the rents coming back and saying "you said you'd teach Buster self-defense!"

^Thanks.

quote:Originally posted by Alek Tricity:

The third fighter was wing chun, but he was so ineffective that the match was stopped.



no it wasnt .

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has anyone ever heard of the martial art ecrima from the philipines? its like the best art ive ever seen. im training in it right now. it kicks some ass.

Yes'm. And it is quite a good art. I like it.

A friend and I are looking into Arnis, supposed to be just another name for Escrima.

Yeh its Eskrima, Kali, Arnis etc. All just names for either different tribes versions of Kali or a name for Kali in its competition form (in the philippines).

Kali forms a major part of the MMA I now study, after moving on from 4 years of Kickboxing and 2 years of GoJu Ryu Ju-Jitsu. Kali is an excellent way of making your self a proficient fighter at all ranges, and working with sticks as an extension of your body certainly helped speed up my empty hand work. Also training with someone waving a knife in front of my face, albeit an unsharp one, improve my reactions drastically.

No-one with any idea of martial arts in todays world can ignore the power of MMA. You could go to a class teaching one style for 20 years, but in general (unless its something like JKD or FMA) your only going to be proficient at fighting other martial artists of your style or a similar style. MMA training gives you power over all situations, from the Dojo to the cage to the street.

Our club doesnt produce martial artists were proud to produce fighters, no kids classes, no light training for weaker people - we all train at the same level.

For a martial artist with a similar mentality to ours see www.fighting.net (http://www.fighting.net) for a true genius of modern combat

Also although this is an American master, I'm not an American and generally dislike americanised martial arts, but my instructor trains with this guy when he can get over there and Paul Vunak really knows what he's on about.

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quote:Originally posted by dt0x:

Yeh its Eskrima, Kali, Arnis etc. All just names for either different tribes versions of Kali or a name for Kali in its competition form (in the philippines).

Escrima and Arnis are generally more stick-oriented from what I've seen, whereas Kali is seemingly more knife-oriented, though the techniques are almost identical.

Koga Yamabushi Ninjitsu for a year and a half. I wished I had learned more, but the begginers are stressed on physical fitness and less technique. I stopped because I couldn't afford the lessons anymore.

quote:Originally posted by Random_Looney:

Escrima and Arnis are generally more stick-oriented from what I've seen, whereas Kali is seemingly more knife-oriented, though the techniques are almost identical.

What we train we call Kali - Stick, Knife, empty hand... They are different names and descriptions from different tribes forming modern FMA and competition Kali etc. As I said above. In the FMA almost all techniques are interchangeable between having a stick, a knife or empty hands, there is not many particular "stick" or "knife" or "hand" strikes, just angles of attack and methods of defending these angles. Plus of course the energy drills and "self-perfection" drills that dont form part of actual combat...

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The drills you guys have are pretty neat. I've been looking into Presas' Modern Arnis. Any opinion on it? I was pretty impressed with what I've seen, and there's a place nearby, but I really don't have much to compare it to.