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Old 2003-05-27, 01:42
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see title.

i saw a film ages ago where a guy made his ammo by melting some lead and shapeing them into balls with a tool to fire from his musket.

anyone know how to do this?
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Old 2003-05-27, 01:56
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i believe lead has a rather high melting temperature ..

so your mold must be made of something that can take that temperature
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Old 2003-05-27, 02:29
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Lead melts at a very low temperature, you can do it on your mom's rangetop.

The problem is the making of a mold and the tediousness of making enough bb's to be worthwhile. Not to mention that you probably couldn't make perfectly round, seamless, perfect bb's that could be fired without jamming up your gun.

Black powder weapons and bb guns are very different ballparks.
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Old 2003-05-27, 05:09
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why do you want lead BB's? just use regular bb's and get about 200 for a buck. if you really insist on lead bb's, you can buy lead airgun pellets, make your own mold and melt them down. seriously, its not worth the trouble. if you have some lead fetish, go buy a pellet gun or something.

edit: ok, i just read your message more carefully. one thing, bb's arent musket ammo. secondly, i doubt you have a musket to fire the ammo from. if you do have a musket, its probably so old it would snap in half or crumble if you tried to fire it.

[This message has been edited by ObakeYatsu (edited 05-27-2003).]
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Old 2003-05-27, 17:35
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Dont listen to them, you melt the lead (about 600 or so degrees farenheit), or solder, and make a dripper in the bottom of the can so it leeks out. The can its in must be about 5-10 feet high so that the surface temperature will form balls for you and will also cool it off so when it reaches the bottom it just sits there and doesnt remelt.

BTW, thats commmercial manufacturing techniques
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Old 2003-05-27, 23:07
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i have a musket, its a modern replica. ive fired it a couple of times, but the thing is a bitch to clean. the film i saw they were using lead and not the usual clay, i have no idea why.

anyway this ammo isnt for the musket. its for an airgun. i cant find any 1 1/2" bb's so i may have to resort to making my own.

lead melts easily, but i dont know how to make the mold.

Argon- i dont gte how this works. could you provide me with a diagram?
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Old 2003-05-27, 23:08
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opps, its 1/2" bbs not 1 1 1/2".
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Old 2003-05-28, 01:16
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Well why didn't you say they were going to be that big? Still you will need to make die casting molds, which seriously is difficult(understatement) for the home experimenter.

The drip technique works but you have no control over the size of the balls formed. Commercially they use very precise metering techniques that reproduce a perfect size every time. So don't listen to us and have a pain in the ass of a time or lend and ear and be realistic. I'm the kind of guy that wants to make everything myself but I even draw the line when it comes to wasting alot of my own time when I'm most likely to fail.
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Old 2003-05-28, 04:32
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A .50 caliber air gun? Once it gets that big it's not a bb anymore.

There's alot of premade molds that are fairly cheap and easy to get. Go to a reloader's site and look around. If you want to make your own you can get all the crap you want for it really easy.
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Old 2003-05-28, 06:17
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quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Dont listen to them, you melt the lead (about 600 or so degrees farenheit), or solder, and make a dripper in the bottom of the can so it leeks out. The can its in must be about 5-10 feet high so that the surface temperature will form balls for you and will also cool it off so when it reaches the bottom it just sits there and doesnt remelt.

BTW, thats commmercial manufacturing techniques
i kinda doubt this technique because if i am correct it would not form a perfect sphere. if it isnt almost perfect, it will screw up the inside of the barrel, which would be bad. i would imagine the drop method would result in slightly tear drop shaped things. oh well, i might be wrong, but dripping molten metal seems like a really innacurate way of doing things.

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Old 2003-05-28, 16:14
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when a liquid is "weightless" either in zero gravity or falling it forms into a perfect sphere.
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Old 2003-05-28, 17:51
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Shotgun shot is made by dripping molten lead from a height into water: http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/baltimore/b29.htm

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Larger balls for black powder rifles are split-molded, the molds don't cost very much. Making your own is rather pointless really. I dunno about airgun-sized balls. If I remember right, the .177 ones I have somewhere (bought from Beeman/made by H&N-?) do not have any molding seam on them at all. Beeman's are called "Beeman Perfect Rounds", and apparently now they only sell .177 and .25 caliber, but Beeman doesn't make their own stuff--they buy it from other companies and re-badge it. So I'd bet that some Euro company probably makes lead BB's in all airgun calibers.

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Old 2003-05-29, 03:22
girlzlover7 girlzlover7 is offline
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the movie was most likely The Patriot he melts his sons TIN soldiers into a mold
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Old 2003-06-04, 22:44
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Hmn... As an airsofter I can give you some advice here, dont go for lead, get a normal one and give it ONE layer of tinfoil, make as many of these as you can and boil some water in a pan, put them in and keep the pan boiling, they should close up nicely and be like metal BB's with the skin peircing thing, but nearly as light as .2 G plastics
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Old 2003-06-04, 22:55
IcEColdPlaYA IcEColdPlaYA is offline
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quote:Originally posted by girlzlover7:

the movie was most likely The Patriot he melts his sons TIN soldiers into a mold

I was about to saw that. I think that were solder, or a mixture of lead and tin. I dont remember what the tool was, but it looked like some tong like think, but was shaped into a ball rather than the things you pick stuff up with.

By the way, I can buy a pack of 6000 steel bbs from wal mart for 6 dollars. I dont use steel in my guns, since it messes up the rifling, so I use lead pellets all the time.

One of my friends has a PCP pellet gun that shoots 9mm pellets about 750 fps. .50 caliber isnt much bigger than that.
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Old 2003-06-07, 12:52
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The shaping tool you need is sometimes for sale on ebay, in the hunting section. This was on ebay uk, but I'm not sure if they'll have the right size.

[This message has been edited by BigAl (edited 06-07-2003).]
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Old 2003-06-10, 02:04
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They do make lead .22 and .177 caliber bb's for air rifles and co2 pistols. I have a cataloug from a company called Natchez Shooting Sports based in Arizona that sells them.

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Old 2003-06-22, 08:10
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aiight all u gotta do is fine some salder

the stuff that you use when u weld stuff together u use tha it melts instantly and cools instantly too jus ge a mol melt the shit in i nd your one. P.S whre bbr gloves when playin with thi sht caus itsed it can rubbintoyour skin
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Old 2003-06-22, 14:14
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quote:Originally posted by ObakeYatsu:

i kinda doubt this technique because if i am correct it would not form a perfect sphere. if it isnt almost perfect, it will screw up the inside of the barrel, which would be bad. i would imagine the drop method would result in slightly tear drop shaped things. oh well, i might be wrong, but dripping molten metal seems like a really innacurate way of doing things.



Sorry but as soon as any liquid has left the object it has fallen form it doesn't stay in the shape of a tear drop anymore. Once it is falling, depending on what size it is it changes into different shapes, the most common being a burger shape. I'd say that the drip would have to be a specific weight to form into a ball, too big and it splits into more drops, to small and it forms a burger shape..



[This message has been edited by killswitch (edited 06-22-2003).]
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Old 2003-06-22, 14:31
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It just so happens i have done something simmiler for use in making fishing jigs. this is what i did and it works.

You need

A small container to make your mold in, id say around 2-3 inch square.

Car body filler (used to repare the sides of cars)

a bead the exact size that you want.

Wax

sand paper

step 1

Wax the inside of your container, and wax the bead. Pour in some carfiller (with hardener) and press the bead in about half way. Put this in the freezer.

step 2

Get the mold and pop it out of the container (thats what the wax is for) and pop out the bead. Sandpaper the surface so it is flat. wax the bead again and wax the flat surface. put the bead back in.

step 3

wax the container and fill it with body filler again. Now push the mold+bead into the top. Put this into the freezer.

step 4

break the mold in half and pull out the bead, this is your basic mold. clamp the 2 halfs togther and carefuly drill a small hole (about the width of a straw) between the 2 pieces and into the cavity in the center (do it between the halfs so if it gets cloged you can open it and clean the blockage). pull the drill back out most of the way and swivle it around in circles to form a cone shape on the outside to act as a funnel.

step 5

with a small clamp ( i use the claw off jumper leeds) pour molten lead into the funnel, until it overflows. Hold this for a few seconds to a min...im not sure how long that much will take to cool to hard. take the clam off so the mold breaks into 2. drop the lead into the water (as long as its solid and moderatly cool molten lead and water IS EXTREAMLY DANGEROURS. Cut the tag off the ball and smooth the surface. remelt the tags and use them in other molds. you can use this mold over and over.

carbody filler i use (aussie brand Karfill ) is able to width stand the heat of molten lead..

make sure that musket doesnt blow up useing homemade rounds.
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Old 2003-06-23, 19:30
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good post^^^^
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Old 2003-07-24, 16:10
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the movie is the patriot
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