Is there any H.E. that can be made from easily available materials, but is not sensative to friction/shock and can be stored for long periods of time? Basically I'm looking for AP without the risk of typing with wristy nubs.

I could just use AN with AP/MEPK, but I'd still be working some with AP, and I don't want to have to make a batch every time I want to set something off. Besides, I'd need a fairly big batch of AN to be able to set it off, and I might not want something that big.

Cost isn't a huge issue, I have a shitty minimum wage job and get about $125 every week. I'd rather not have to buy a lot of lab equipment, though, as I'm trying to keep a low profile.

Anyone have any suggestions?

D salts, fairly ideal primary. All you need is Silver Nitrate and an acetylene gas source.

Pah all you need. Where do you get agno3?

for AgNO3, just react silver with a stoich. amount of HNO3, or maybe a little excess of acid. as long as your silver is pure, your product will be pure.

as for storage-stable primaries, you might want to try experimenting with picrate salts. tonight, i'm going to give zinc picrate a shot...Zn(Picrate)2 - seems interesting, probably with a sensitivity somewhere between potassium and lead picrates. just don't waste picric acid on sodium picrate - take it from me, it sucks ass.

quote:Originally posted by Ressotami:

Pah all you need. Where do you get agno3?

C'mon now... You should know you can get anything on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=7321&item=3830284699

Now are there any step by step guides for this stuff?

Jesus just make nitro glycerin, thats powerful, cheap and an easy synth.

quote:Originally posted by RedSky:

Jesus just make nitro glycerin, thats powerful, cheap and an easy synth.

Well that's not real stable, either. Not to mention the headaches.

egdn is cheap and stable...i've got a synth over at apc if you want to try it out...just use 55 grams eg instead of 60.

Where do you guys get your nitric acid?

quote:Originally posted by poor man:

D salts, fairly ideal primary. All you need is Silver Nitrate and an acetylene gas source.

You forget HNO3. Without the nitric you come up with pure Ag2C2.

God I'm such a nit picking asshole.

EDIT: Ress, most of us just make our own, buying it is overly expensive.

[This message has been edited by RabidGeneral (edited 08-03-2004).]

Its called, tetrahydrazine nickle nitrate,

~H

quote:Originally posted by Halifax:

Its called, tetrahydrazine nickle nitrate,

~Hdis?

nikiel hydrazinum nitrate

NHN synthesize:

"We prepare 100 ml 8% nickel nitrate (solution A). Prepare solution B: 50 ml of solution A and 50 ml of water. Heat solution B to 60*C. At the same time add dropwise two solutions: 50 ml of solution A and 7 ml of hydrazine hydrate (>80%). After the addition mix for 10 min, filter, wash with water next with ethanol and dry it. You get ~11g dark violet powder – NHN.

Main problem is to detonate it. It’s not simple."



maybe not but if dats it

"CORROSIVE. COMBUSTIBLE LIQUID AND VAPOR. CAUSES BURNS TO ANY AREA OF CONTACT. MAY BE FATAL IF SWALLOWED, INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN. MAY CAUSE ALLERGIC SKIN REACTION. EFFECTS LIVER, KIDNEYS, RESPIRATORY SYSTEM, BLOOD, AND CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM. POSSIBLE CANCER HAZARD. MAY CAUSE CANCER BASED ON ANIMAL DATA. Risk of cancer depends on duration and level of exposure. "



an dis shit is easily available?wow

"Main problem is to detonate it. It’s not simple." an is dat by flame or shock?

quote:Originally posted by Ressotami:

Where do you guys get your nitric acid?



You can get all the acids, glycerol, kno3, AN and other useful chems from:

http://www.labpakchemicals.com/category.asp?CatID=31

I emailed them and you don't have to spend a minimum of 50 quid, they say they expect orders under 50 quid and postage is 8 quid.

I'm not sure how to split the order, I'm not going to get all the stuff in one go, it would get me put in jail.

NI3

NCl3

Ethyl Perchlorate

Hexanitrocubane.

quote:Is there any H.E. that can be made from easily available materials, but is not sensative to friction/shock and can be stored for long periods of time?

quote:Originally posted by spunky_junky:

NI3

NCl3

Ethyl Perchlorate

Hexanitrocubane.

....so what part of that is RIGHT? Especially the Ethyl Perchlorate.... Alkyl Perchlorates are dangerously sensitive and powerful, added to that it hydrolyses within a week.

EDIT: Fixed tags.

[This message has been edited by RabidGeneral (edited 08-03-2004).]

nitrify some hexamine, RDX is the second most powerfull explosive, and it wont even be set of by the impact of a bulet (some thermite should do though.)

EDIT

no thermite is not the answer to evrything, it is howerever a simple, stable sugestion.

AP should work, but isn't all that stable

[This message has been edited by byronical schmuck (edited 08-03-2004).]

Thermite? What the fuck?

why would you use thermite to set off an explosive? Use a blasting cap or something?

Why do all the newbs think that thermite is the be all and end all of pyrotechnics... It can't do everything you know.

quote:Originally posted by byronical schmuck:

nitrify some hexamine, RDX is the second most powerfull explosive, and it wont even be set of by the impact of a bulet (some thermite should do though.)

EDIT

no thermite is not the answer to evrything, it is howerever a simple, stable sugestion.

AP should work, but isn't all that stable

[This message has been edited by byronical schmuck (edited 08-03-2004).]

RDX is not the second most powerful explosive known...stop repeating that inaccurate piece of information. And thermite is not a primary explosive. While there are some secondaries which may be initiated be initiated by rapid temperature increase it will not be a reliable method for detonating them.

BOOBS (.)(.)

quote:Originally posted by FireDemon:

BOOBS (.)(.)

Perfect reply. A+

I wish there was a ballistics forum that required you to take an IQ test before you could register Back on topic, where could one learn more about these double salt HEs?

( . Y . )

I recon i could get thermite to set off ANFO!

have your ANFO,with a booster in there, with a AP det cap on the booster and some thermite sitting on top of the cap , when the thermite lights up, it heats up your det, AP goes off, booster dets, ANFO dets

Ok enough off the silly pilly crazy talk :P

Has any one here successfully made RDX or PETN ? Warweed (i think it was him) was looking for a synth a while ago for PETN because he got some, or new where to get the "PET" or what ever its abrevation is...

EDIT: fixed the boobies and found out how to spell PETN (the full name !)

Pentaerythritol Tetran Nitrate...MWHAHAHAHA

Now all i gotta do is learn how to say it and learn how to spell "Hexamethylenetriperoxidediamine"

~30-06~

[This message has been edited by 30-06 (edited 08-03-2004).]

I can say hexamethylenetriperoxidediamine. I say it all the time. Its fun. Hexamethylentriperoxidediamine.

You are putting the saces in the wrong places though, you cut straight through the word 'peroxide'.

It should be Hexamethylenetriperoxidediamine

or possibly Hexamethylene triperoxidediamine

Hexamethyl enetri peroxide diamine

Arh fuck it, its fucking HMTD to me from now, fucking gay word

[This message has been edited by 30-06 (edited 08-03-2004).]

HAHA YOU CUT THROUGH PEROXOIDE TOO!

FOOLS!

you cannot argue with totse's MASTERFUL word cutting skillz

WHAT THE FUCK!

I know I typed it without those spaces god dammit!

Grrr, I will avenge my sliced words totse, you mark my words....

quote:Originally posted by 30-06:

Hexamethyl enetri peroxide diamine

Hexamethylenediperoxidediamine

I typed that perfectly, lets see if it cuts it...

EDIT: D'OH!

[This message has been edited by poor man (edited 08-03-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by poor man:

you mark my words....

Consider them marked.

EDIT: fucking lezbo keyboard



[This message has been edited by 30-06 (edited 08-03-2004).]

HMTD is Hexamethylenetriperoxidediamine.



Phonetically it is: hexa-methylene-tri-peroxide-dia-mine.



edit: that is weird, it is putting spaces in where there shouldn't be.

"Hexamethylenetriperoxidediamine" is one word.

[This message has been edited by And1129 (edited 08-03-2004).]

"Hexamethylenediperoxidediamine"

And, isn't it...

Di-amine , rather than Dia-mine?

[This message has been edited by poor man (edited 08-03-2004).]

^^^ LOL,

Dam we should take this to PRRT or rename this thread PRRT