Alright. It says it contains posassium(sp?) nitrate. Now what can i use it for? anyway i can safely test if its worth trying to mess with? maybe make a smoke bomb or sometyhing?

Ep's info (http://krimzonpyro.com/ep/projectsdevicesdir/kno3.html)

before trying that purification method, you should read what the bottle / can / whatever it is in says. i guess the label on it will tell you if it's KNO3 alias potassium nitrate

The box reads



LilyMiller

stump remover & potassium nitrate

Then it shows som percents

Guaranteed ferilizer analtsis

total nitrogen(N) 13%

13% nitrate nitrogen

Soluble potash(K20) 44%

Primary nutrients from otassium nitrate

I also just googled the name and found someone that says



"I do know that Lily Miller's Stump Remover is pure KN03, despite the

confusing label ("Stump Remover plus potassium nitrate"). I tested it

before using it and have used it for half a year with no troubles. It

dissolves pretty easily in water; if you have trouble try heating the

water. I've seen some other brands mentioned specifically on The Krib as

being pure KNO3."

from http://fins.actwin.com/aquatic-plants/month.9912/msg00094.html

Most of the time you don't need to purify it at all... this goes for any visibly pure looking KNO3.

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so what can i use kno3 in? anything easy to make with it?

Well for easy you could just make smokebombs, check out dtp's site or the whole of krimzon pyro, or you could make some bp among lots of other things....

try the goood ol' smoke-device

if you want to spend more time, and also get better smoke, try the smoke preparation procedures from www.krimzonpyro.com (http://www.krimzonpyro.com), by melting KNO3 and sugar, in a ratio 6:4, by weight. you can also use 6:4 by volume, because sugar and KNO3 have nearly the same density. that's how i did before i got my digital scale.

if you want to just test it fast, powder the KNO3 (if it comes in prill-form, if not, then skip this step), take 3 spoons of KNO3, put them into a disposable container, add 2 spoons of sugar, close the container, shake it well, so the chemicals mix, and then ignite it by fuse, or just ignite a match and put it there (but be careful with this!).

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now the link works

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Allright im going to test that right now in my backyard... i wonder if i have any fuse... hmmmmmm well anyways that link you gave me doesn't work sir

IT WORKED!!!!!! it ate through the plastic medicene container i held it in! that was amazing! what else can i use kno3 in?

o_O

that mixture is not made for eating through plastic, it's made for producing lots of smoke

and, did it give off a lot of smoke?

well, you can make rockets out of sugar, KNO3 and sulfur, but for doing that you definitely need a scale.

by the way, try melting it, but be carfeul, do your first tries outside. melting it gives you thicker smoke, and also more

it ate threw the plastic and created a shit load of smoke!

can you link me to a website and or give me directions to do the sulfer/kno3 mix? i have a scale

okay, have a look at frogfot's page: http://www.geocities.com/frogfot/ssrocket.html

btw, david: thanks for reminding me, now i don't have to survive without that godly thing anymore

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you don't need to cap the container, it doesn't even have to be a container! i usually put that stuff on a sheet of paper...

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can i use it to make anything explode? where do i get sulfer from?

KNO3 + Sulfur + carbon (charcoal for the less bright among us)= Shity gunpowder

WTF is sulfer? my mind went blank... also i heard that will make whats called green powder

sulfur is an element that is usually a powder and a bright to mellow yellow color. yes if you simply mix together the ingrediants you will get green meal BP which is crappy BP then you need to ball mill it to get to good meal powder then you need to corn or granulate it to get up to lift powder or commercial powder which is the most powerful and fastest burning. And have fun with BP and dont try HE's yet because you lack much experience. however with great sources like these the pyrotechnic world is your oyster for learning

Please tell me where the fsck can i get sulfer? and BP can be used to make stuff go "boom" so to speak yes?

With a good casing, yes. You can sometimes find sulfur in garden stores and some pharmacies. Other sources would be chemical suppliers or ebay.

why thank yar mistar moderator!

I've checked 4 pharmacies and two hardware stores with out any luck at finding sulfur. I ended up deciding to fuck the whole looking for it so I went to th one hardware store's website, it had dusting sulfur, I printed th page, went to the hardware store and just asked them if they could order it to the store for me(it wasn't an item that could be ordered direct from the site). Anyway, tomarrow I just have to down there and find out how much it costs, pay them, then they'll order it, and when it comes in I'll have 4lbs of 90% sulfur. Also I'm happy because I made 50+ grams of willow charcoal today.

was it a hardware stole like home depot / lowes / osh?

I know somebody who actually did find sulfur in a pharmacy once, along with KNO3. You won't find it in most places, but it can be found there if you get lucky.

It was Value Home Center. Value is a chain of hardware stores but it is part of a larger chain: "Do it Best". So check http://www.doitbest.com to see if there is one around you then have them order you the sulfur.

I got one close but i don't see dusting sulfur on that website

Okay, so what about Willow wood? Where can you purchase willow wood from to make your own charcoal?

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I remeber walking throug Wal-Mart and asking about charcol drawing pencils... They had 4 sticks of willow charcol for .89 cents each. Just chrush it up and mix the sulfur and KN03 and ball mill it.

I got the pencil Idea, cause Zero had it posted, or it was in the A-Files or something.

On the doitbest.com website they spell it sulphur so do a search for that and it should be right there.

So how did the drawing charcoal work out for ya? It's an expensive idea but I'm still curious.

quote:Originally posted by TheFryguy:

KNO3 + Sulfur + carbon (charcoal for the less bright among us)= Shity gunpowder

Charcoal works better than straight carbon. Don't ask me why.

On the Willow Charcoal...

My local Wal-Marts do not carry the willow charcoal. All they have is a pack of drawing charcoal for like $3, and it's a miniscule amount (4 tiny sticks). Is there a place where I could buy just the raw wood to convert to charcoal myself?

quote:Originally posted by Baral'heia:

On the Willow Charcoal...

My local Wal-Marts do not carry the willow charcoal. All they have is a pack of drawing charcoal for like $3, and it's a miniscule amount (4 tiny sticks). Is there a place where I could buy just the raw wood to convert to charcoal myself?

just go to home depot and buy some soft wood (such as willow if they have it), then burn it, and chrush it up.

This is ending up being a pain in the fucking ass

i have a curious question can i use the wood i burn in my fire place to start the fire (firestarters bascially) i doubt i can cut a tree down and burn it and get ash

Super...not to be stupid or rude, lol, but if you don't know what sulfur is I'd think you'd want to do a little more exploring and research before you start trying to blow things up so you don't end up blowing your hand off.

'Prolly can... What you want to do is make charcoal, though, not the ash bits. If you have a local ACE Hardware store, they do have bags of real wood charcoal, something canyon brand I think. I'm pretty sure it's going to be a medium to hard wood charcoal, but I think it might work in pyro, just not as good as Willow charcoal. It's like 5 bux for a 8# bag.

If you want to make your own charcoal, refer to some of the following links for more information.

http://www.velvitoil.com/Charmake.htm

http://www.dutch-net.com/~dennis/Charcoal.html

http://www.drawing.com.au/matirial_charcoal.php

You may do a search on Google or a similar search engine to find more how-tos with pictures and such. It is pretty simple to make once you have the right wood. I am told that using dried pine charcoal - like construction lumber - burns quick and hot, with minimum ash, so pine might be a good alternative if willow is not available.

Hope this helps you guys out!