I emailed UN asking when they will be getting more aluminum powder (600 mesh) and more potassium chlorate or perchlorate and heres their reply;

"Sorry, but do to several Cease and Desist orders from various state Fire

Marshals from around the U.S., we will no longer be selling materials

that

can be used to make exploding fireworks... or offering historical

information on how they were made."

I guess I will have to make my last 100 grams of flash powder last a LONG time.

That must suck for the pyro's who order from there. But why wouldn't they still sell aluminum?

Actually this isnt so bad for you icp. I recently found i site that you can get shit from w/o id. Plus they have reasonable prices (600 mesh german alum=20, 1lb potassium perclorate=8). You may be wondering, what site is this, here it is, is everyone ready? pyrohobby.com (http://www.pyrohobby.com). they have some other stuff too, plus its only 8 bucks for s/h for up to 3#. YEAH, Yeah, for all.

btw, please tell me someone saved un's, directions for everything the took off.

[Linked it - DTP]

[This message has been edited by DavidThePyro (edited 07-07-2003).]

They just took off the instructions on making M-80s and cherry bombs. You will not have a problem finding it, since there are so many web sites that rip off their site.

Edit; Nice site bigtmoney!

[This message has been edited by IcEColdPlaYA (edited 07-07-2003).]

Kick ass site! FINALLY, a pyro supplies site that doesn't require ID, has good prices, and doesn't have a moral agenda!

I saved UN's directions for assembling M-80s, just because I anticipated that they would probably be taken off one day. They aren't but so useful though, seeing as how EP, DTP, ICP, along with everyone else in the world in their brother has a page about how to assemble M-80s. I wish I had saved their torpedos page though, I don't remember what the mixture was, I think it was 50/50 KClO3/Antimony Sulfide.

i know. I hope someone can post any experience with pyrohobby.com just for a reference, seeing how ive never ordered from them. btw, yes it is 1/1 mix for torpedos.

I have a friend whose life depends on UN. Once he finds out about how they stopped selling aluminum and potassium perchlorate, he will freak out. Im thinking I can get about 50 dollars per pound of aluminum from him.

I got another site if u want some stuff... www.pyrostuff.com (http://www.pyrostuff.com) im not sure if u need an ID, haven;t seen a disclamier for it yet, and its not too expensive, 1 lb of perclorate for $5 and 1 lb of al. powder for $17 i think. Not too much there though.

Here is my backup:

/krimzonpyro.com/backup/un_backup.zip

I changed the HTML so all files are relative, and removed any problems.

XTheWhitePonyX do you have the missing images?

Anyways, I checked as many archives as I could and I cannot find the torpedo page. If anyone finds a backup or mirror, please notify.

[This message has been edited by Rat_Bastard (edited 07-08-2003).]

Why'd anyone order from them anyway? No ID, no problem, get someone to order for you... hell I might order for someone if I was asked.

Like you I sent an email to UN, however I asked about their M80, and Cherry Bomb instructions. Here is a straight copy paste from the email they sent me.

Sorry, but do to several Cease and Desist orders from various state Fire

Marshals from around the U.S., we will no longer be selling materials that

can be used to make exploding fireworks... or offering historical

information on how they were made.

-Bob

United Nuclear Scientific Supplies http://www.unitednuclear.com

Sucks huh?

quote:Originally posted by DavidThePyro:

Why'd anyone order from them anyway? No ID, no problem, get someone to order for you... hell I might order for someone if I was asked.

It's not just the ID, these sites don't appear to care what you use these chems for, they just advise you that ground exploding fireworks are illegal and if you get busted it's your problem. Unlike Discount Pyro, with these people you don't have to fuck around and order shit you don't need in order to convince them you have some legitimate use in mind.

However I guess you would have to decide if it would cost you more to pay the price at pyrostuff or pyrohobby than it would to just buy the extra shit from discountpyro.

quote:Originally posted by IcEcColdPlaYA:

I have a friend whose life depends on UN. Once he finds out about how they stopped selling aluminum and potassium perchlorate, he will freak out. Im thinking I can get about 50 dollars per pound of aluminum from him.

Greedy bastard aren't you.

quote:Originally posted by Rat_Bastard:

XTheWhitePonyX do you have the missing images?

Yeah I have them, want me to zip the whole thing and email it to you?



[This message has been edited by XTheWhitePonyX (edited 07-08-2003).]

Do any of these places ship to Canada.

i dont think any of the american ones can legally ship chems across the border ive asked this question many times myself. try to get your teacher to order them for you.

I was wondering how long it would last... That would suck if they aren't going to sell the tubes any more, I'm gonna stock up!

Edit: Wow, they don't even have KClO3/4 listed any more...

[This message has been edited by EP (edited 07-08-2003).]

My science teacher was not cool like that. He got scared when he had to melt sodium chlorate for an experiment.

Yeah, email it all to me zipped. By the way, do you have the "Air bomb" UN plans?

Too bad pyrohobby doesnt sell cheap fuse or tubes... but I am very satisfied with the prices, even though I dont need a whole pound of any chem except KClO3.

actually you can still access them at http://www.unitednuclear.com/aerialbomb.htm

guess they didnt take it off yet.

btw, i dont think they will quit selling tubes, because if you look at it, they now all say the are used for making smoke balls.

Get the whole pound anyway, you'll use it eventually...

quote:Originally posted by psykopyro666:

i dont think any of the american ones can legally ship chems across the border ive asked this question many times myself. try to get your teacher to order them for you.

Yea just try and get your teacher to order you some KClO4... LOL!



[This message has been edited by BFK4ever (edited 07-08-2003).]

It might be wise to order as much chems to make your favorite exploding fireworks from other supply houses before they stop selling to. This is what I will be doing anyways... any one heard of anyone else no longer supplying these chems?

ya ur right BFK4ever i once tried to ask the lab technician at my school to order me nitric acid... it dident work. but at least i found a place that sells it to anyone and its 98%

on that site it doesnt say anything next to the potassium perchlorate about the quantitiy. i am assuming its 1 lb. but i dont want to get it wrong. does anyone know?

They probably forgot to put 1 pound in it. I will be sending in my order tomorrow, and if they steal my money I will drive up to Cincinnati and kill them.

well the chems i'm pissed off about but the tubes i;m ok with i make my own. paper and wood glue.

quote:Originally posted by EP:

I'm gonna stock up!

Same here, I just sent in an order to them for 216 tubes total. I need to get a job.

EDIT: Do you think that their going to stop selling "classic" M-80 tubes?

[This message has been edited by john_doe_pyro (edited 07-08-2003).]

quote:Originally posted by IcEColdPlaYA:

They probably forgot to put 1 pound in it. I will be sending in my order tomorrow, and if they steal my money I will drive up to Cincinnati and kill them.

yeah im sending out my order tomarrow also, and if they steal my money, well i guess i wont do anything because they will be dead already

quote:Originally posted by john_doe_pyro:

Same here, I just sent in an order to them for 216 tubes total. I need to get a job.

EDIT: Do you think that their going to stop selling "classic" M-80 tubes?

[This message has been edited by john_doe_pyro (edited 07-08-2003).]

216? Jebus, that's a shitload! The most I've ordered at once was 4 sets of Beefy tubes.

Oh well I gueess it is too bad for everyone that depends on UN I feel your pain. But for me I have all the insturction on M-80 manufacture and cherry bombs all stored in my head. For me I still have a fresh stockpile of 600mesh german dark Al powder 300grams, and I still have my trusted supplyer of KClO4. IceCold I feel your pain but I beleave all you need is a supply of KClO4. Remember I can recall you can make your own Al powder with a ball mill.

As for who's to blame I think we all the K3W1's and the irresponsible people are to blame. Just look at the the mayham they caused with fireworks on the 4th of July. Lots of irresponsible actions caused like fires, property damage, injuries etc.....

Who agrees with me?

I do.

I suppose it's for the best. Might as well make the kewls for for their supplies... It will make things harder for some responsible people as well, but hopefully that will motivate them to find a way to order from a better source.

as do i, damn those kewls god damn them

After probing deep into the depths of the net, I have collected all of the scrapped UN files (including the torpedo pages!). Here is the new and improved backup, with a swank index file: http://krimzonpyro.com/backup/un_backup.zip

All files are localized for your convenience.

well that fucken sucks. actually i have some real shitty aluminum tha probubly wouldn't even quallify as powder but for the most part it is. is it true you can get patasium perchlorate from a home depot or something in the plumbing section?

Nope.

The torpedo section is still there if you have the direct link, but I don't know for how long...

http://www.unitednuclear.com/torpedo.htm

maybe this is a crazy mans theory..... maybe its not.... what if UN had to stop selling german dark and giving directions and such because of us? i mean come on, we all know were being monitored...

People around here aren't the only ones that order from UN. If I had to blame a forum, I'd blame bombshock.

Yeah this whole think sucks about UN, but you don't have to be totally bumbed out about it. To me their chemical supplies weren't the best plus they be mucho expensive, but their instructions were the best. Thank god for you Rat. I hope you can get more maybe about negative x, because i really wanted to make that stuff. So if anyone has that stuff post it or something. But for the chemicals i am going www.skylighter.com (http://www.skylighter.com) all the way. Even though you are only alowed to buy 1 pound german aluminum per order. They are cheap other wise. But UN really had good tubes but i got some from skylighter and they were great and they still are. I don't know if they still sell the same kind that i got from them but just get rocket tubes from them and use them for M-Whatevers.

[This message has been edited by deadsexy (edited 07-09-2003).]

at least the kewls wont have another site to go to to get chems, but for those of us who arnt 18 (luckly i have a nice mommy who orders and buys for me if i pay her back ) and dont have cool parents it is gonna suck for them for a while, as for me im getting 114 beefy m-80 tubes and some nichrome wire and maby some shells, i love being a caddy.

i think UN is to expensive they only got the good shells/tube, but fo all you who orderd off UN i hope you all find a cheaper site, UN is the most expensive sight iv seen.

[This message has been edited by coldwarr2000 (edited 07-09-2003).]

Yeah, I make my own aluminum, but it takes 2 or 3 weeks, and for those days when I have no flash powder but I for some reason need a salute, I will just go ahead and make some with my bought aluminum.

I remember emailing UN once and they said they might stop selling most chemicals becuase they are getting way to many phonecalls from angry parents about their 5 year olds ordering from them.

I sent in a 45 dollar order to pyrohobby today, and tomorrow I will send in a 30 dollar order to UN for some more tubes.

BTW Has anyone here made a black powder salute with UNs beefy M-80 tubes? I used wood glue and sawdust end plugs (1/4 inch thick) and there was about 1 1/2 teaspoon of black powder in it, and it scared the shit out of my friend, since he thinks black powder has no use at all in salutes, but it blew up just as good as just about any flash powder salute I built before. If you havent made one.

quote:Originally posted by IcEColdPlaYA:



BTW Has anyone here made a black powder salute with UNs beefy M-80 tubes? I used wood glue and sawdust end plugs (1/4 inch thick) and there was about 1 1/2 teaspoon of black powder in it, and it scared the shit out of my friend, since he thinks black powder has no use at all in salutes, but it blew up just as good as just about any flash powder salute I built before. If you havent made one.

just wondering... what grade black powder you use.

Most likely FFFFG or FFFG.

Anyone know the Pryodex terms for FFFFG, FFFG, FFG and FG? I only see terms of SS, RS and RR?

RS (Rifle/Shotgun, a 2F equivalent)

P (Pistol, a 3F equivalent)

Select (a premium 2F equivalent

Taken from, http://www.pyrodex.com/about/index.htm#top

Much thanks Jackal, next time use that in your "cannon"!

Im not sure what FG it is, but whatever comes out of the ball mill after 24 hours is what I use.

ICP, that would be meal powder.

Well, it looks like they're still selling the tubes, but they've renamed them for "general use". They've pulled down the classic tubes, though.

Cannonfse.com lowered prices one their 1/8 inch fuse.

They are also getting some 9/16x 1 1/2 tubes, the same ones as the classic ones from UN. I hope they also come with plugs, but if not I will just make my own.

I hope I will not have to wait 6 months to get my stuff like some people had to with that Stanford place.

SS aerospace... 8 months and still waiting.

can someone explain the names and sizes and good places to get tubes i always used empty model rocket engine casing maybe i ahve been missing out

I wonder what the tubes cannonfuse is getting will be like. That would be cool if they were the same as the UN tubes... Maybe we should email cannonfuse and tell them to get the same tubes UN has but charge less!

quote:Originally posted by DavidThePyro:

SS aerospace... 8 months and still waiting.

How much money did you send out anyways ?

Yeah, that was definitely not cool. UN was one of the coolest sites, plus it was well put together...prices were def. not cheap, but oh well. Here's a site I found for all of your chemical needs. Actually I haven't ordered from them yet, but they claim to sell to most anyone and will sell whatever they have (or don't have, they'll get it for you) in bulk for some nice prices. I'm still waiting to hear from the guy how much iso alcohol is per gallon, since I need a lot of it for my flamethrower.

http://www.kyantec.com/catalog.htm

These are some others I've come across...most of them are well known, but I'll put them in for the heck of it, others have some chemicals, but are more Lab oriented, so if you need test tubes or anything like that, check these out:

http://www.discountpyro.com/ http://www.pyrotek.org http://www.firefox-fx.com http://www.skylighter.com

http://www.sciencelab.com http://www.cenmed.com/products.asp

quote:Originally posted by king vitamin:

as do i, damn those kewls god damn them



Shhhhhhh! Their listening...

Why can't they share the information? Isn't that in the bill of rights?