Satanisim sounds alright

[ibetyouvotenexttimehippy]

Please don't judge me before you have read this, I probably would never do any of the masses and shit because I don't do Christian masses either. Anyway, I was just having a look at the satanic bible and I almost regret saying this but it explains ALOT more shit than the bible ever could and it gives real reasons not just "have faith"

read a bit of this, especially the book of Lucifer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Bible

- ♫.i.b.y.v.n.t.h.♫

Satanism is just as childish, if not more so, than any other religion.

And I don't usually count it as a religion, nor do I count Wicca.

I'll judge you all I want, based only on my knowledge of Anton LaVey's Satanism.

Fuck Aton Lavey. Fuck Satanism. It's a religion for selfish children.

You'll grow out of it like most people do by the time you drop your metaphorical philosophy-balls.

EDIY: Wow, that sounded super-condescending. Sorry, dude. But frankly, you deserve it for being interested in that tard LaVey. Grrr...he just grinds my gears!

[This message has been edited by Kykeon (edited 01-11-2007).]

quote:Originally posted by ibetyouvotenexttimehippy:

Please don't judge me before you have read this, I probably would never do any of the masses and shit because I don't do Christian masses either. Anyway, I was just having a look at the satanic bible and I almost regret saying this but it explains ALOT more shit than the bible ever could and it gives real reasons not just "have faith"

read a bit of this, especially the book of Lucifer. ht tp://en.wi kipedia.or g/wiki/Sat anic_Bible

- ♫.i.b.y.v.n.t.h.♫

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

I hate to tell you this dude, but the Book of Satan is only a text meant to offend Christians. Satanism is just Atheism with more hate against Christians.

I do think it explains more, though. And I've always wondered who cares more: the god who requires your worship, or a Satan who allows anyone into Hell? God's just jealous so he made Hell sound bad. If, that is, either of them existed.

Satanism is atheism but to mock the christians they chose Satan as their ideal because he stands for rebellion against authority and personal pleasure rather than delayed gratification. I own a copy of the satanic bible and basicly it is 2-3 pages of philosophy and the rest is bullshit "magic". Even the author says the rest is bullshit if you know how to read it.

LaVey was a self-confessed con man. Worthless.

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

LaVey was a self-confessed con man. Worthless.

Well he makes some interesting and valid points about philosophy on life. However you are right. In the beginning of the "Satanic Bible" he states (paraphrasing) "every religion needs something mystic and ritualistic in it. I will give you that". He says pretty much You want the fairy tale? I'll give you the fairy tale! And then proceeds to include wicca-like rituals in it.

[stupid noob]

You would be surprised at who is a satanist though. Many very powerful people buy into that shit.

But again, it's just glorified atheism with some pagan ritual thrown in.

[EssJay]

I used to think Satanism had some decent ideals, but the whole shit on magic lost me.

But this is a good read none the less, some one put it in the last thread about satanism I saw (this could have been a while back, I don't frequent the religion board)

http:../../www.thefirewithin.dk/library/anton.htm

[stupid noob]

quote:Originally posted by EssJay:



http:../../www.thefirewithin.dk/l%20ibrary/anton.htm

LOL in other words he was a lying sack of shit, only trying to decieve people.

quote:Originally posted by socratic:

Satanism is just as childish, if not more so, than any other religion.

And I don't usually count it as a religion, nor do I count Wicca.

Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects

notice how it says "by a number of persons" ... that number could be 1 meaning the only believer of that "set of beliefs and practices." now quite being a bigoted fool and realize that any set of beliefs you hold is definitively a religion.

If you want to believe in Satanism, go ahead. Don't let morons like socratic (the name's certainly ironic in this case) ruin it for you. My own personal suggestion is to read it all and keep what you need, metaphorically speaking of course.

[EssJay]

quote:Originally posted by stupid noob:

LOL in other words he was a lying sack of shit, only trying to decieve people.

If that is indeed true (it was wrote by LaVey's daughter) then, why yes, he is.

quote:Originally posted by Lamabot:

Satanism is atheism but to mock the christians they chose Satan as their ideal because he stands for rebellion against authority and personal pleasure rather than delayed gratification. I own a copy of the satanic bible and basicly it is 2-3 pages of philosophy and the rest is bullshit "magic". Even the author says the rest is bullshit if you know how to read it.

quote:Originally posted by socratic:

Satanism is just as childish, if not more so, than any other religion.

And I don't usually count it as a religion, nor do I count Wicca.

Fat bull-dykes are so a religion!

Bitch.

quote:Originally posted by stupid noob:

You would be surprised at who is a satanist though. Many very powerful people buy into that shit.

But again, it's just glorified atheism with some pagan ritual thrown in.

I doubt "Marilyn Manson" is hardly a considered a "very powerful" person.

Satanism is a political/social statement, not an actual philosophy. You can interepret it to be a way of life, but that would be pig-headed fucktardism, and that was part of the point LaVey was trying to make in the first place --- people sell out, and if EVERYBODY sold out, individuality would mean nothing. Trying to be the opposite of religion is a religion too.

/thread.

thread/

(neo)satanism is nothing more than atheism or humanism dressed up with satanic "magic" rituals.

[This message has been edited by CrazyJ32 (edited 01-14-2007).]

quote:Originally posted by DXM User:

Satanism is a political/social statement, not an actual philosophy. You can interepret it to be a way of life, but that would be pig-headed fucktardism, and that was part of the point LaVey was trying to make in the first place --- people sell out, and if EVERYBODY sold out, individuality would mean nothing. Trying to be the opposite of religion is a religion too.

/thread.

Good job man.

i agree,

/thread

Come on guys, yes satanism is just a dressed up atheist/secular humanest philosophy, but that dressing is of great psychological importance. We choose the symbology of "Satan" because we were raised Xian and want to reject that. And to intellectually reject something in favor of another philosophy is one thing, but to fully accept that on all levels is quite a different thing. So we commit acts of "blasphemy" in order to gain full psychological acceptance of the ramifications of rejection. If you can spit on a cross, have sex while eating communion wine and wafers, and "worship" a golden cow, that shows that you've gained some level of freedom from the ideology that was ingrained into you throughout your childhood.

This is why the modern black mass can be about any subject, a rejection of any socially imposed standards, rather than just the Catholic Mass.

So modern Satanism is "just" an dressed up atheist/secular humanest philosophy, but the tools associated with that dressing have been quite helpful in many people's personal development.

quote:Originally posted by VictimKing:

Satanism is just Atheism with more hate against Christians.

You're wrong.

quote:Originally posted by stupid noob:

But again, it's just glorified atheism with some pagan ritual thrown in.

You're also wrong.

quote:Originally posted by EssJay:

If that is indeed true (it was wrote by LaVey's daughter) then, why yes, he is.

Laveys daughter hated him, and most of what she says about him should be taken with a lorry load of salt. Read a bit about her life.

Anyway, before anyone starts with misinformed personal attacks, I'm not a satanist nor do I have any interest in satanism. I know a bit about it and the first comments I quoted are over simplified silly statements. It's like saying the holy bible is all about killing people and having no fun.

Aspects of it make sense. The rituals and speeches and stuff like that kinda makes me uneasy though, ever listened to an Anton Lavey CD?

It seems Anton created satanism and made it dark, mysterious and unnaproachable. I guess that mostly appeals to curious 14 year old kids more than people seriously interested in religion and philosophy.

The above all crime is stupidity, yet look at the stupid teenagers the religion attracts.

Granted, proper established satanists are probably far past there teens and know what they are on about, but I've never met one.

^^^

lol. my friend who is 14 has just bought the satanic bible. hes obsessed with it and he is the most conceited, ignorant, arrogant (yes ignorance and arrogance...not a good mix) person I've ever met.



why was satanism made? my friend keeps trying to convince me to join satanism and i can't think of a polite way to say fuck off. satanism isn't a religion unless you are a fucked up goth who worships the devil, especially the one depicted in the bible (which is fictional, therefore worshiping a fictional character). if you take onto satanism as a way of life...wtf? why not just be agnostic or atheist. the difference between satanism and the two anti-religions mentioned above is that satanism involves stupid rituals and forbids things that should be a personal decision like stealing. i accuse satanism of taking advantage of the weak minded and the stupid just like all other religions.

[Hare_Geist]

Didn't LaVey claim to have an affair with Monroe? LOL.

[Viraljimmy]

It's just a bunch of coded gay porn for occult nerds.

quote:Originally posted by Pseud0nym:

^^^

lol. my friend who is 14 has just bought the satanic bible. hes obsessed with it and he is the most conceited, ignorant, arrogant (yes ignorance and arrogance...not a good mix) person I've ever met.



why was satanism made? my friend keeps trying to convince me to join satanism and i can't think of a polite way to say fuck off. satanism isn't a religion unless you are a fucked up goth who worships the devil, especially the one depicted in the bible (which is fictional, therefore worshiping a fictional character). if you take onto satanism as a way of life...wtf? why not just be agnostic or atheist. the difference between satanism and the two anti-religions mentioned above is that satanism involves stupid rituals and forbids things that should be a personal decision like stealing. i accuse satanism of taking advantage of the weak minded and the stupid just like all other religions.

Too true. LaVey's application leaves a LOT to be desired. But one of the nice things about Satanism is that there are no prophets, no people who are completely and unquestionably right all the time. A Satanist can stand up and say, "You know, I think LaVey got that one wrong." Now have you ever heard a Xian say the same about Moses or Isaiah?

Also you have to be careful to distinguish between Satanists and Satan Worshipers. The first is agreeing with the philosophical viewpoint attributed the the Xian Satan (that if God existed he would be unworthy of our worship; insert comment about sending bears to kill children here). The latter of the two has been described as "Doubly Stupid Catholics", firstly stupid for believing all the rubbish, and secondly stupid for choosing the side that they know is going to loose.

As for your friend, tell him to start reading Nietzsche, which is the source material for most of modern Satanism. He'll ether grow intellectually, or show himself for the kidiot he is. You win ether way.

haha

so basicly its doing whatever you want without raping people because he even says that magic stuff is crap



hmm much like i live now

[JesuitArtiste]

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Didn't LaVey claim to have an affair with Monroe? LOL.

Dude.... Even I had an affair with Monroe....

She was asleep though... or dead....