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ate · #1 2006-10-15, 02:00

What do you believe about Jesus?

Do you believe he has ever existed?

Never existed?

Or is actually the story of many 'great' men put together to create one very respectable guy?

Raw_Power · #2 2006-10-15, 02:09

All I know is that if he existed, he'd be disgusted at what Christianity has become. Also, if he existed, I find it very doubtful that he was the son of god.

MasterPython · #3 2006-10-15, 05:18

A real person with a greatly exagerated biography.

anon99989 · #4 2006-10-15, 05:52

Roman tax records show that he existed. It's his actions that are hard to verify.

Living Corpse · #5 2006-10-15, 06:14

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quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

All I know is that if he existed, he'd be disgusted at what Christianity has become.

I kinda agree with you..

Raw_Power · #6 2006-10-15, 10:08

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quote:Originally posted by anon99989:

Roman tax records show that he existed. It's his actions that are hard to verify.

Did it actually say "Jesus of Nazereth, son of Mary" or some shit like that? Because if not, it could be someone else. There's loads of people called Jesus. And I'm going to have to ask for a source.

anon99989 · #7 2006-10-16, 01:02

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quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

Did it actually say "Jesus of Nazereth, son of Mary" or some shit like that? Because if not, it could be someone else. There's loads of people called Jesus. And I'm going to have to ask for a source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius

Holy Shit · #8 2006-10-16, 01:51

Look up Mithras (not on Wiki, wiki doesnt have much on him). Mithras was a pagan god from about 200 years before Jesus. The story of Mithras and his adventures and actions are fundamentally the same as Jesus, sometimes exactly the same. I like to think of him as Jesus v0.8. But any church official will tell you this was planted by satan when he predicted the birth of christ.

Holy Shit · #9 2006-10-16, 01:54

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quote:Originally posted by anon99989:

http:../%20/en.wikipe%20dia.org/wi%20ki/census_of_quirinius

I dont get how this proves he was real.

Hexadecimal · #10 2006-10-16, 04:11

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quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

All I know is that if he existed, he'd be disgusted at what Christianity has become. Also, if he existed, I find it very doubtful that he was the son of god.

It's not so much disgust as it is disappointment.

And people, in case you don't know: Mithra WAS Jesus.

WolfinSheepsClothing · #11 2006-10-16, 04:23

http:../../www.jesusneverexisted.com/default.htm

Raw_Power · #12 2006-10-16, 05:46

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quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

And people, in case you don't know: Mithra WAS Jesus.

And you base this on what exactly?

Clifford the Big Red Bong · #13 2006-10-16, 06:38

i think he probably did exist and he was a really cool guy. very spiritual and stuff. but i dont believe in the christian jesus, and im sure other spin off religions have equally wrong ideas about him.

didnt some people find information that suggests that during the years he wasnt in the bible, he went and studied buddhism or something like that?

Hexadecimal · #14 2006-10-16, 21:47

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quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

And you base this on what exactly?

Memory.

Raw_Power · #15 2006-10-16, 21:51

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quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Memory.

Well your memory is incredibly faulty then. There is no proof whatsoever that they refer to the same person. Just except it, Christianity plagiarises.

Niceguy · #16 2006-10-16, 23:31

After 2000 years wouldn't your memory be a bit fuzzy? :>

Hexadecimal · #17 2006-10-17, 00:04

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After 2000 years wouldn't your memory be a bit fuzzy? :>

2300 years, but yeah, it's a bit fuzzy. :P

easeoflife22 · #18 2006-10-17, 01:32

I think Jesus was nothing more than the creation of an ideal man that was the incarnation of god on earth. I think the stories then picked up a following and eventually the character Jesus was fully formed. Then in 300 A.D. the final version of the myth was unified by the Roman emperor to squash infighting between the pagans, and the new Christians. It was just all made up to stabilize the Roman empire and maintain control and power. Still works to this day.

Viraljimmy · #19 2006-10-17, 02:36

Originally a real man, but I think

the story has been influenced by

various religious traditions.

Hercules was probably a real guy too.

Son of a god, I doubt.

I forget who said it, but we are

all athiests - just some of us don't

believe in one more god.

Frontier Psychiatrist · #20 2006-10-17, 04:52

Interesting:

Asclepius was fathered by a god (Apollo) but with a human mother, he died a mortal and was ressurected a god, he even raised a man from the dead.

Early Christians found it easier to convert pagans if they adopted some of their culture and beliefs.

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ate · #21 2006-10-17, 14:51

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quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

All I know is that if he existed, he'd be disgusted at what Christianity has become. Also, if he existed, I find it very doubtful that he was the son of god.

I agree, he wouldn't support them in the way "Christians" do.

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quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

A real person with a greatly exagerated biography.

This is possible, but it's also possible that he was a tale of many men put together to make one giant hero. While all those things really happened, just not to the same person in the same lifetime, in that view.

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quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

It's not so much disgust as it is disappointment.

And people, in case you don't know: Mithra WAS Jesus.

Could you expand on the Mithra part?

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quote:Originally posted by Clifford the Big Red Bong:

didnt some people find information that suggests that during the years he wasnt in the bible, he went and studied buddhism or something like that?

I agree that his teaches source from all over the world. Not just "his" own. He learned just like any other "master" would have learned. Whether it was one man, or many.

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quote:Originally posted by easeoflife22:

I think Jesus was nothing more than the creation of an ideal man that was the incarnation of god on earth. I think the stories then picked up a following and eventually the character Jesus was fully formed. Then in 300 A.D. the final version of the myth was unified by the Roman emperor to squash infighting between the pagans, and the new Christians. It was just all made up to stabilize the Roman empire and maintain control and power. Still works to this day.

Yes, but you must factor in the fact that there's a jesus, or the words of "those guys" or "that guy" that is this spiritual man.

And it's literally saying one thing, and then in other places it says another thing.

As if there were real words there, real truthful words which were re-written by some type of over-seer government of some sort.

It kind of makes you wonder how that could happen.

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quote:Originally posted by Frontier Psychiatrist:

Interesting:

Asclepius was fathered by a god (Apollo) but with a human mother, he died a mortal and was ressurected a god, he even raised a man from the dead.

Early Christians found it easier to convert pagans if they adopted some of their culture and beliefs.

Yes. Now to sum it up here, there were many men who were "jesus" in this view, and all lead fascinating lives, but none as outrageously fascinating as the one man character they put together to call jesus.

And then there was one, who'm they centered on, and you could say lead the most fascinating life. That was Apollo.

Basically it goes that he died, and the governers at the time saw a great dispair in their people for losing their hero, so they created this story of a man coming back and returning to them and it once again filled them with joy.

Not to say it didn't happen, just to say that there are many obscurities and "re-writes", or "fill-in"s to make it look very much like a fairy tale that you could just fall in love with and never force yourself to realize it's false.

Almost like the same tactics the government uses today, to cover up their own tracks, and to fill the people with false pride.

Ra-deus · #22 2006-10-17, 15:56

We all know that the story of Jesus in the Bible is pure myth, and was used for criminal purposes by the Roman Catholic Church. But, the important question is: did they use a story already written for their personal gain, or was it's writing intended for this purpose?

Hexadecimal · #23 2006-10-17, 20:40

Mithras was the first independent name for the 'eternal God'. Oddly enough, also the first major religion to be wiped out by its brother Christianity.

Furthermore, the man Mithra was but a priest with perfect devotion to the One (who was later called Mithras in honor of Mithra) - this trait has been found in a variety of historical figures: Buddha, Lao Tzu, Mohammed, Jesus, etc...basically the men that were made into God, when they were nothing but servants of God.

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ArmsMerchant · #24 2006-10-17, 20:45

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quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

All I know is that if he existed, he'd be disgusted at what Christianity has become. Also, if he existed, I find it very doubtful that he was the son of god.

We are totally on the same page here.

I think he himself acknowledged that he was nothing special when he said--assuming the quote is right--that "everything I have done, ye shall do also--all this, and more"--and that "the kingdom of God is within you."