If everything really WAS created...?

If everything really WAS created, then who created God?

And who created the thing that created God?

I'll ask him when I see him.

quote:Originally posted by MidnightRambler:

I'll ask him when I see him.

That's the answer my mum actually gave me when I was younger. I took it seriously then, but now I realise it was just her covering up her own ignorance. "Well, you'll just have to wait till you die and ask God when you meet him. He'll know."

[redzed]

quote:Originally posted by Satanic Jesus:

If everything really WAS created, then who created God?

Nothing! The something that humans call 'god' must have existed forever because there cannot be nothing - 'absolute nothing' that is, as in 'non-existence' Therefore there must be something as there cannot be nothing and something cannot come from nothing ......

Peace

God has always been it is just since u are a created being the 10% of your brain can not fatham something that has always been

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

God has always been it is just since u are a created being the 10% of your brain can not fatham something that has always been

Are you saying that God existed infinitely into the past?

quote:Originally posted by anon99989:

Are you saying that God existed infinitely into the past?

Uh ya didnt i make that clear?

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

since u are a created being the 10% of your brain can not fatham something that has always been

I'm calling bullshit.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Uh ya didnt i make that clear?

Then you're a fool. If time went infinitely backwards, we could never reach this point. Please work on your math skills.

[Viraljimmy]

Right. Because god would have

waited forever before making us,

so we would have never been.

quote:Originally posted by Satanic Jesus:

If everything really WAS created, then who created God?

Eh...infinity doesn't work with you does it?

[Viraljimmy]

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Right. Because god would have

waited forever before making us,

so we would have never been.

And, of course, that "10% of your brain" myth is just that - a myth. We use all of our brain.

Of course that is a myth that we use all of our brain, we use only a portion.

What part of,our brains cannot comprehend the infinite wisdom of GOD do u ppl not understand.

quote:Originally posted by anon99989:

Are you saying that God existed infinitely into the past?

Omnipotent being can do that. If God is omnopotent is another question.

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

Omnipotent being can do that. If God is omnopotent is another question.

If god can defy logic, there is no point in even talking about it.

[Viraljimmy]

quote:Originally posted by ate:

Of course that is a myth that we use all of our brain, we use only a portion.

In a way you are right, "I" only

actively make use of part of "my" brain.

But the rest is busy doing other things.

The brain isn't just for thought-

that's actually a pretty new addition.

The "I" is a subset of the brain, and

is controlled by the brain, not the

other way around.

thts called shifting the burden of proof!

what if i said "all watermelons have blue meat until they are cut open proof me wrong" I can keep you busy for the rest of your life!

quote:Originally posted by anon99989:

Then you're a fool. If time went infinitely backwards, we could never reach this point. Please work on your math skills.

That is assuming god is within the limits of time.

(which he is not)

it is pointless to argue logic with any devout christian when it comes to god because the christian belief is that god transcends logic. when you make in argument you have to understand the other sides stance on the issue as well, what i do to get practice for this in debate team is strike up an argument with someone, and take the side i dont agree with and still try to win, it can give you a whole new perspective on alot of things, and if you cant find someone to argue with argue with yourself in your head, it may sound stupid but it can help alot to know your enemy in a debate. give it a try.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

God has always been it is just since u are a created being the 10% of your brain can not fatham something that has always been

http:../../www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

In a way you are right, "I" only

actively make use of part of "my" brain.

But the rest is busy doing other things.

The brain isn't just for thought-

that's actually a pretty new addition.

The "I" is a subset of the brain, and

is controlled by the brain, not the

other way around.

Yep, that's what I'm talking about.

quote:Originally posted by anon99989:

If god can defy logic, there is no point in even talking about it.

God IS logic.

[This message has been edited by ate (edited 10-15-2006).]

[easeoflife22]

If God can just exist, why can't the universe just exist? If the universe is completely composed of energy, that means it would move at the absolute speed of energy, not to be confused with speed of light. At that speed, time would stand still, and not even pass. So really, time is instant, meaning that no time passed before, after, or during the universe's expansion to collapse. Our observation of the passing of time has no signifigance to the actual speed of the universe, it is merely relative. We can't even be sure that time passes at the same rate person to person. Where does god fit into an instant universe of energy that has always existed?

Actually the universe is very much logical, and there are no signs of any intervention in the logical function of the universe.

the human brain is just a network of organic wires. the ability for the brain to have a "consciousness" is a miracle enough. if the chances of a bunch of wires being able to think for itself is a miracle, whats the chances of humans being able to comprehend ALL in the universe?

near impossible

quote:Originally posted by v_bess2000:

That is assuming god is within the limits of time.

(which he is not)

Then he couldn't have created the universe--being able to interact with time implies being a part of it--you can't have it both ways.



Entheogenic

[redzed]

quote:Originally posted by Entheogenic:



Then he couldn't have created the universe--being able to interact with time implies being a part of it--you can't have it both ways.



Entheogenic

Is time only to do with the illusions of permanancy extant in a universe of form, whereas 95% of the universe, the dark energy, the dark matter, has no time -- for there is no form with which to measure it?

When you dream, how real are those dreams?

Is your thought able to transcend time? Have any of your dreams become a reality? How often does a dream become reality? like a novelist dreams up a book that becomes a movie, a dream being played out in real time by real actors.

quote:Originally posted by Mantikore:the human brain is just a network of organic wires. the ability for the brain to have a "consciousness" is a miracle enough. if the chances of a bunch of wires being able to think for itself is a miracle,

What's the chances the universe is mind, a network of electrical signals with 'a "consciousness"?

Peace

[Siash]

ok if there wasn't a god, what created the big bang?

Ok forget the questions about logic. Why is it YOUR god? Why isn't it Allah, the universe, infinity, zeus, etc? And don't for fucks sake quote the bible. The point is the things your saying can go for anything, you can't know for sure it's "god" as in the christian god if you mean "god" to be just a powerful force beyond our comprehension that could be anything then I agree with you. But you're obviously just answering with prewritten answers to stump any debate and to keep yourselves smug in the believe that your right and you have nothing to question.

[Source]

quote:Originally posted by redzed:

Nothing! The something that humans call 'god' must have existed forever because there cannot be nothing - 'absolute nothing' that is, as in 'non-existence' Therefore there must be something as there cannot be nothing and something cannot come from nothing ......

Peace

In every thread you go on about nothing. So I ask you. Why does there need to be a God, for there to be something? Why can't the universe be that something that always existed? Without God?

Or is that what you are saying, I'm unclear as too whether you believe in God or not.

^ Yea, he goes on about nothing.

Man. I'm so smart.

We're so smart. Let's go design the universe.

[jb_mcbean]

...you can put the cheese in your bum-bum..