A second Treatise

[bushy]

I just finished The Second Treatise of Government, and I started thinking. Locke has the whole god thing pretty figured out. But I got to thinking more.

Alright, so God put us here. We were free to do pretty much what we wanted as long as we followed some sort of ethics code. And the Law of the Land.

Now the problem I find with this is that I can't figure out who makes this law. I mean up untill recently in History you could claim pretty much anyland. Look at america.

Now, he also talks about How war is declared when ones' property is fucked with, if you felt enslaved, people can't own people. You have a right to declare war with someone.

But who gave the person the land in the first place, Not god. I mean would god want people to buy and sell the land that he gave to humans? Would he be happy with us? and Would he care if I fought for a piece of land that wasn't mine? Lets say I like this piece of land, there is no house or anything on it could I claim it? and would God let someone declare war with me if the stumbled upon it?

I will get to my point when I get some responses but start with that.

[Rykoshet]

Pointless.

How the fuck can I say if God (if there is one, who gave us land, furthermore) would want us fighting over the land?

Do you have a discussion question?

EDIT: It boils down to evolution. Survival of the fittest. I want land. You have land. Let's duel.

[This message has been edited by Rykoshet (edited 09-15-2006).]

This feeds my belief of evolution.

If there is a god, he'd have no reason to give a shit what we do with the land we have. Animals fight for territory. So do people. It's not different, we're just so technologically advanced that it appears that way.

[bushy]

so, your saying we evolved from monkies? thats ridiculas.

What is the point of fighting? I mean really.

Am I at liberty to start a war because Someone is poluting the air that I want o be clean, and the rivers, and the land that I want to grow crops on so that I can eat?

Maybe, but who would Join me?

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

so, your saying we evolved from monkies? thats ridiculas.

What is the point of fighting? I mean really.

Am I at liberty to start a war because Someone is poluting the air that I want o be clean, and the rivers, and the land that I want to grow crops on so that I can eat?

Maybe, but who would Join me?

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2. There is no point of fighting. It's our animal instinct.

3. You're not at liberty to start any war. i didn't say it was right, just that people fight.

4. Nobody. They'd tell you to STFU/GTFO

The same common ancestor, technically. Not exactly apes, but we're all Primates.

[This message has been edited by firekitty751 (edited 09-15-2006).]

Isn't it "monkeys"?

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

Isn't it "monkeys"?

Yeah, you're right.

[ArmsMerchant]

We part company at the end of your second paragraph. In my book, God gave us free will--but with no strings. God has zero preference over what we do, and will neither punish us nor love us less whatever we choose to do. After all, when you give someone a gift, it is no longer, really, your business what he or she does with it.

And your evolution theory is a tad skewed. Neither Darwin or anyone else in the scientific community said that we descended or evolved FROM other primates. What they do say is that we domesticated primates share a common ancestor with the wild primates.

You may have heard, human DNA is like 99% identical with chimp DNA.

[Source]

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

so, your saying we evolved from monkies? thats ridiculas.

What is the point of fighting? I mean really.

It's instinct, we fight for survival, because every organism on the planet probably started out the same. How do you think we became the dominant species on the planet? You can bet your ass it wasn't because we handed out flowers and asked the other organisms nicely.

[Viraljimmy]

Source, you're part right.

But there is the other side too.

As much as we have needed aggression

and selfishness, we also needed

cooperation and community to survive.

That often made things complicated,

so humans wrote lots of books about it

and tried to rationalize everything.

quote:Originally posted by bushy:

Now, he also talks about How war is declared when ones' property is fucked with, if you felt enslaved, people can't own people. You have a right to declare war with someone.

Ummm last time i checked, the bible supported slavery, now god is against it? i must not have gotten the memo.