To believers of any religion.

Regardless of you spirituality, do you believe that a non-believer can recieve visions from God?

Do you believe the same unbelievers can be instruments of God?

In short, I'm asking about the role God plays in everyones life, regardless of their faith or lack thereof.

If God has a plan involving his creation, and we are all his creation, does that not mean that even those who deny a God in any form can still serve his will, regardless of whether they believe it or not?

God does work in mysteryious ways after all.

I believe yes, if there was a God/god, then he could make use of anybody, even those who do not believe. I mean, what could stop him?

Hell, the fact that they don't believe could be a part of it all along.

I blame him all the time, god damnit.

[Graemy]

of course it would be a part of his plan. i like the saying futurama used "If you do things right, they won't be sure you've done anything at all."

quote:Originally posted by HampTheToker:

Regardless of you spirituality, do you believe that a non-believer can recieve visions from God?

Do you believe the same unbelievers can be instruments of God?

In short, I'm asking about the role God plays in everyones life, regardless of their faith or lack thereof.

If God has a plan involving his creation, and we are all his creation, does that not mean that even those who deny a God in any form can still serve his will, regardless of whether they believe it or not?

God does work in mysteryious ways after all.

Everything submits, willingly or unwillingly, but it is better if you submit willingly.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Everything submits, willingly or unwillingly, but it is better if you submit willingly.

How?

Lets compare this to a man and a dog. If a man wanted to have a dog do a certain task, he can train him and reward him for the task, at which point, the dog knowing that doing this benefits him will perform said task. However, there is the possibility that the dog will go against this logic and choose to disobey. If the dog is compelled to disobey, the man can beat and hurt the dog as much as he wants, but the dog will remain defiant. If the dog chooses to disobey to his death, the man can kill the dog, but his task will remain undone.

Not everyone submits unwillingly. Because we have to power to choose not to.

quote:Originally posted by Holy Shit:

How?

Lets compare this to a man and a dog. If a man wanted to have a dog do a certain task, he can train him and reward him for the task, at which point, the dog knowing that doing this benefits him will perform said task. However, there is the possibility that the dog will go against this logic and choose to disobey. If the dog is compelled to disobey, the man can beat and hurt the dog as much as he wants, but the dog will remain defiant. If the dog chooses to disobey to his death, the man can kill the dog, but his task will remain undone.

Not everyone submits unwillingly. Because we have to power to choose not to.

Submitting Unwillingly is a reference to the defiant, who think they are self sufficient whilst they are completely dependant and existing only by God, so they submit unwillingly, they are part of the system, and exist, thus submit by default, but without awareness and in rebellion of the fact, so they are those who do so unwillingly.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Submitting Unwillingly is a reference to the defiant, who think they are self sufficient whilst they are completely dependant and existing only by God, so they submit unwillingly, they are part of the system, and exist, thus submit by default, but without awareness and in rebellion of the fact, so they are those who do so unwillingly.

Ok. Then how about those that don't exist. Like those who are dead. They are no longer a part of this system, who need nothing and do not exist by your god. They have broken free, so they no longer sumbit. Not everything sumbits unwillingly.

quote:Originally posted by Holy Shit:

Ok. Then how about those that don't exist. Like those who are dead. They are no longer a part of this system, who need nothing and do not exist by your god. They have broken free, so they no longer sumbit. Not everything sumbits unwillingly.

Well, when a person dies its only a change, they lose their consciousness, and to my God is the return!

Why does any religion have the necessity of a god? Or do you specifically mean the religions with the particular definition of god you're thinking of?

quote:Originally posted by Holy Shit:

Ok. Then how about those that don't exist. Like those who are dead. They are no longer a part of this system, who need nothing and do not exist by your god. They have broken free, so they no longer sumbit. Not everything sumbits unwillingly.

But they're still serving a purpose, possibly.

Their state of death could be a factor, or the fact that they were vehement in going against their view of God's Plan. For all we know, He wanted them defiant and dead.

As much as you want to try, if there's a god in control of everything, no matter what you try to do, it'll be part of its plan. You can think of it however you want while you're doing it, but a plan is a plan.