Complexity Proves God?

Okay so I have this problem with all the theists saying "Well look at us... our bodies are so complex that they couldn't have been made that way without some inelligent designer, namely God."

If God is the reason we're here and cells are flitting around in our bodies, why'd He have to make it so... microscopically efficient? Why did he engineer enzymes and organs and atoms and neutrinos and all that shit? Wouldn't it make more sense for it all to be magic? Like we're lacking the little quirks and quarks and minicivilizations and what keeps us going is God and His breath of life.

To me the cells' complexity is proof of the chance and probabilities we overcame in being here today. Science has looked and delved deep into the workings of the body and came up with an answer for our energy.

God should've made us like toys, without blood and atoms, creating purely solid objects that are kept running by His will alone. Made it so we couldn't explain our being. I know there's still stuff we don't understand, but that doesn't mean we never will, or that God did it.

Our complexity isn't proof of God, it's proof of His absence. If He created us out of dust, we should be empty inside and not the complex machines we are.

[Viraljimmy]

Something similar I was thinking -

if god designed man in his image,

what were chimps, practice?

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Something similar I was thinking -

if god designed man in his image,

what were chimps, practice?

A completely different animal, created as part of his divine plan to eventually punish homosexuals with AIDS.

Murlin u shud be da first 2 no dis wurld is made of magickz.

This man in Gods image crap has to STOP.

Yes, the way we fit together is very microscopically efficient and beautiful, there is no being that made us but we are manifested within the one thing worthy of being called God which I've said like a kaztrillion timez lolz

If a perfect being did in fact create us, why did he make us suspectible to disease and other maladies?

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quote:Originally posted by bonkers:

If a perfect being did in fact create us, why did he make us suspectible to disease and other maladies?

What is with people? Your opinion of perfect is one thing, but the system is perfect, do you see any glitches? Does your computer screen suddenly go blip and dissapear? This is Perfect, everything is smooth and no "being" could be around to do anything other than the one that is already here.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Murlin u shud be da first 2 no dis wurld is made of magickz.

This man in Gods image crap has to STOP.

Yes, the way we fit together is very microscopically efficient and beautiful, there is no being that made us but we are manifested within the one thing worthy of being called God which I've said like a kaztrillion timez lolz

Heh, yeah I admit that I believe magick exists as a part of our world/reality, but I don't think that that's well known or accepted.

I was just offerin' the theory that we should be pretty much held together by magic (God's magic, not the undescribable force that actually DOES hold us together...please people don't assume this is God, either).

But hey, interesting thought... you think we're made IN God? Or in the second best thing to Him ? Or reality as a deity? Or what? Uh please explain, or gimme a sn so we could talk about it. I like shit like this.

[JesuitArtiste]

I've recently thought that an excess of evidence of design shows that it has no design.

Eg. A big rock is laying on its side ,It's about up to your waist. Now this rock could be used as a table, yes? Or a chair ,or a bench. Yet did someone design a multipupose rock for both eating off ,sitting and and using as a base to roll on? Plenty of non designed things can be used with a diferant purpose in mind (i'll get to this in a minute)

Paleys watch argument asked us that if we saw a watch in a field and a rock wouldn't we see that the watch was designed? Hand made ,and assume that therefore it had a designer? And yet wouldn't pass comment on that rock?

But rocks are incredibly useful ,it could be said that without rocks our entire civilisation would'nt be what it was today in terms of advancement. I cn pick up the average rock and use it to hit something ,I can use the same rock to hold something down. If we saw a Rock a Paperweight and a Hammer in a field wouldn't we assume that the paperweight had a designer , and the same with a Hammer? Yet a rock can be used as both. SO who designs this superflous design? Or is there no design at all.

We could argue against this and say that it was God who designed everything ,made it so that we could use it. Yet this seems to take things to the absurd ,it also seems to question our free-will. If God designed everything in the univers for any purpose then surely god is aware that we will use these objects in such a way at some point ,and if so He knows that we will use it ,how can we not use it? And if we do use something in such a way ,eg a rock as a paperweight , didn't god already know this and we didn't really decide to pick up that rock as a paperweight because it looked nice ,but because God knew we were gonna use it as a paperweight and made it useful as such.

Not sure how clear that is. But if god designed something so that we would use it in a specific way we really haven't done anything original, only conformed to gods pre-made schematics.

Also If God designed everything so well he is responsible for every murder and death. A rocks primary function seems to be to sit around and think about life very, very slowly. But a rock can be used to kill someone. Same with a carving knife. A food knife is designed to cut food ,whether it be meat ,cheese or bread. Yet this same knife can kill someone. It wasn't designed in this way.

I think that design more disproves a god ,or proves that we have no free-will ,or at least limited free-will. It would also in my mind show that a supreme designer quite happily allows murder death and destruction ... Or that this designer is'nt real and is superfluos at best ....

Have A Nice Day.

[Axiom]

God used to be the worse murderer of them all... Smiting was his thing, just read the old testament....

He'll fuck you up for pulling out when you don't want kids and have no condoms... Thank god, he doesn't do that anymore...

God, Want to prove a point to Satan?... Kill dozens and show Satan that Job still loves you... I hope all the dead got into heaven, it would suck if you couldn't spend eternity with the guy that killed you...

Tricked by a snake that was made by God? You get unbearable pain during child birth... The snake?, must crawl on its belly until time ends... Doesn't sound fair does it... Assuming no-one knew right from wrong at that time, how did the snake know it was been evil? and if the snake didn't, why punish it?

But I'd just like to thank him for sending those doctors to me after I was hit by that car he also sent...

Seriously, just worship money and shop...

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quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

What is with people? Your opinion of perfect is one thing, but the system is perfect, do you see any glitches? Does your computer screen suddenly go blip and dissapear? This is Perfect, everything is smooth and no "being" could be around to do anything other than the one that is already here.

What the hell are you talking about? What does the "system is perfect" mean?

"Does your computer screen suddenly go blip and disappear?" Of course it can, that's a very possible scenario. This does not prove "everything is smooth and no being could be around to do anything other than the one that is already," the perfect being you have yet to prove exists.

[DuckWarri0r]

quote:Originally posted by Merlinman2005:

(God's magic, not the undescribable force that actually DOES hold us together...please people don't assume this is God, either).

What's to say that isn't God's magic? Shit, surely, god is above magic. For god there is no magic. I don't know whether or not I beleive in the divine.. but your argument doesn't really change it either way.

quote:Originally posted by DuckWarri0r:

What's to say that isn't God's magic? Shit, surely, god is above magic. For god there is no magic. I don't know whether or not I beleive in the divine.. but your argument doesn't really change it either way.

Goddamnit, man. The one thing I say NOT to think. Good job.

[DuckWarri0r]

Yea and I'm asking why that is the one thing we shouldn't think.