Over all opinion

Their is no religion where god proved himself /she / it, whatever, to actually say the words spoken in his voice or the publishing of his own book. [Sure... Ill sign this for you Joseph] Other than the shit made up by people who died off long ago. In which people now a days who use to twist peoples beliefs into gaining their loyalty, their work and earnings, limiting their life, and among more and more power they gain with each believer. And among that anyone without half a brain is like "OMG, It's not possible to quit, if you stop believeing and when you die, You will NOT belong in our holy land in the clouds and blah blah blah."

You know what they turned this story out to be... What was once used to give people fate and hope to look for a life of freedom from the dicks that contrlled their lives in egypt, has been warped into a daily contribute for someones greed and if you stop coming, when you die you are doomed forever to a dark pit of fiery shit.

[Viraljimmy]

Yeah but it's all true.

If you can't get past the OP's original massacre of English, here's the translation:

God never actually speaks in the Bible. People tell us what He says.

[This message has been edited by crazed_hamster (edited 05-24-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Lynk:

and if you stop coming, when you die you are doomed forever to a dark pit of fiery shit.

You are willing to risk a dark pit of fiery shit!?

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

You are willing to risk a dark pit of fiery shit!?

Its depends on how you look at it. Can you prove to me this is the what is after life? Eternal Damnation? Could you die and come back and prove to me what you experiance on the other side? Or is it true?

[Viraljimmy]

If you're not sure, try this experiment:

Read some of the bible.

Ask yourself "Does this seem like the divine message from a loving omnipotent god, or the collected ramblings of primitive superstitious men?"

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

If you're not sure, try this experiment:

Read some of the bible.

Ask yourself "Does this seem like the divine message from a loving omnipotent god, or the collected ramblings of primitive superstitious men?"

Then read the Bhuddist books, and The Qur'an...No one can prove the afterlife, that is the one thing that is a debate of faith...This is discussed in my topic "WHAT IS GOD?" In the last post on the bottom of the second page (first it proves what God, and the only God is and can ever be then by the end it talks about Faith and the Afterlife, the Afterlife being a future event and thus unproveable and a matter of faith, and one requires a believe in a spirit self independant of the mind or body to believe in a heaven or hell or underworld or spirit world, others believe in the ressurection, here is a relevant section from that post, quoted:

"(As a Recap: My belief as stated above is that God is Ultimate Reality, all that exists, all that we can think or do or see, whatever we can experience is a part of this Reality which is within Ultimate Reality, it is the Only God, the One, we are all made of it, completely dependant on it.

The Arguments against this are the following:

Solipsism: I am the Only Reality and the only thing verifiable, you're all just my imagination!

Answer: Your imagination or the ability for you to think, and the limited options of what you can possibly think are all within the bounds of Reality, deny it or accept it, you are dependant on it completely.

The only thing religions should argue about is what happens after we die, though it is something unproveable and in the future for us all. This is when one requires faith. Not even an athiest can know what happens. The options are many, but here are some of the most common:

The following are dependant on the unproveable assumption that ones body is inhabited by a spirit being who is responsible for our thoughts and actions:

Reincarnation: Your Spirit Being Transmigrates into something new.

Heaven and Hell: Your Spirit Being tranfers to the realm of either Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory, or any realm such as the "spirit world" "underworld" or any other thing.

The next might be based on the assumption that our ability to experience is based on our body, mind and senses. The soul being only life force, the same as that in any living thing:

Death: You die and the movie ends, you cease to experience anything at all, it is like dreamless sleep.

Ressurection: After death your body is recreated and you are ressurected in full form, often coupled with facing judgement for all that you have done in life, then experiencing literal physical punishment or reward in a literal physical paradise or hell on Earth or a planet.)"

I do reccomend you read the whole post, it is a conversation in which the other party argues every possible point against my beliefs, it should be very educational, it is my most recent post on WHAT IS GOD? on the bottom of the second page. Enjoy!

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Then read the Bhuddist books, and The Qur'an...No one can prove the afterlife, that is the one thing that is a debate of faith...This is discussed in my topic "WHAT IS GOD?" In the last post on the bottom of the second page (first it proves what God, and the only God is and can ever be then by the end it talks about Faith and the Afterlife, the Afterlife being a future event and thus unproveable and a matter of faith, and one requires a believe in a spirit self independant of the mind or body to believe in a heaven or hell or underworld or spirit world, others believe in the ressurection, here is a relevant section from that post, quoted:

"(As a Recap: My belief as stated above is that God is Ultimate Reality, all that exists, all that we can think or do or see, whatever we can experience is a part of this Reality which is within Ultimate Reality, it is the Only God, the One, we are all made of it, completely dependant on it.

The Arguments against this are the following:

Solipsism: I am the Only Reality and the only thing verifiable, you're all just my imagination!

Answer: Your imagination or the ability for you to think, and the limited options of what you can possibly think are all within the bounds of Reality, deny it or accept it, you are dependant on it completely.

The only thing religions should argue about is what happens after we die, though it is something unproveable and in the future for us all. This is when one requires faith. Not even an athiest can know what happens. The options are many, but here are some of the most common:

The following are dependant on the unproveable assumption that ones body is inhabited by a spirit being who is responsible for our thoughts and actions:

Reincarnation: Your Spirit Being Transmigrates into something new.

Heaven and Hell: Your Spirit Being tranfers to the realm of either Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory, or any realm such as the "spirit world" "underworld" or any other thing.

The next might be based on the assumption that our ability to experience is based on our body, mind and senses. The soul being only life force, the same as that in any living thing:

Death: You die and the movie ends, you cease to experience anything at all, it is like dreamless sleep.

Ressurection: After death your body is recreated and you are ressurected in full form, often coupled with facing judgement for all that you have done in life, then experiencing literal physical punishment or reward in a literal physical paradise or hell on Earth or a planet.)"

I do reccomend you read the whole post, it is a conversation in which the other party argues every possible point against my beliefs, it should be very educational, it is my most recent post on WHAT IS GOD? on the bottom of the second page. Enjoy!

What in heaven's name are you talking about? How is all the relevant?



I disagree though, Lynk. To begin with, for your assertion to be true it is necessary that the people gaining from others' beliefs benefit financially and in power from such. This isn't an applicable scenario for all God believing people. The only religions for which it could really be asserted that this works for is Catholicism (and only in high ranks), Islam (still only in high ranks), and Hinduism (but not as much today as in ancient times, so they don't completely adhere to your original assertion anyways).

The vast majority of religious authorities in the world don't experience much financial benefit and the only way in which it could be said they achieve more power is because of their reverance as holy figures (which has always been so; not just in modern times).

Also, I think you missed the joke Abrahim was getting at when he originally quoted you... About the fiery shit.

Abrahim likes making jokes.