Christians and god

Why do they like this guy so much, there are hundreds of millions of people on this earth living in poverty or opressed or in bloody wars. Why would he allow genocide? Christians always answer by saying free will, but supposedly god killed the first born of every child in egypt or something like that(i remember that from sunday school), so why couldn't he have just killed all the nazi leaders?

quote:Originally posted by anthra22:

Why would he allow genocide? Christians always answer by saying free will, but supposedly god killed the first born of every child in egypt or something like that(i remember that from sunday school), so why couldn't he have just killed all the nazi leaders?

Because he doesn't exist........

The aspect of christianity is absurd. They have killed in the name of god. Here is the lyrics to a song that relates to the which burnings.

You stand before this court, accused of heresy and witch craft. How do you plead?

"Not guilty!"

"Guilty!"

Our tongues they could not silence with their malicious lies

Their unforgotten violence, remember those who died

And as my flesh is put to fire I hear their voices still

Their unjust accusations demanding I am killed

"We shall show no mercy to heathen such as thee

Who stand accused and have refused the Church's clemency

Your wicked acts are endless through the crimes we cannot name

Innocent or guilty proved, we'll burn you just the same"

Burning, into the fire

Burning, a funeral pyre

Burning, into the fire

Burning, a funeral pyre

This self-righteous inquisition is a plague upon our land

As false as the confessions they force from shattered hands

"We shall show no mercy to heathen such as thee

Who stand accused and have refused the Church's clemency

Your wicked acts are endless through the crimes we cannot name

Innocent or guilty proved, we'll burn you just the same"

Burning, into the fire

Burning, a funeral pyre

Burning, into the fire

Burning, a funeral pyre

Abused my broken body is cleansed by righteous flame,

Their God a 'God of Mercy' yet in whose name I slain.

My innocence the victim of their superstitious fears

Religious persecution for the past three hundred years

Preaching peace and mercy 'neath the shadow of the knife

A papal reign of terror, slaughter in the name of Christ

And as my flesh is put to fire I hear their voices still

Their unjust accusations demanding I am killed

"We shall show no mercy to heathen such as thee

Who stand accused and have refused the Church's clemency

Your wicked acts are endless through the crimes we cannot name

Innocent or guilty proved, we'll burn you just the same"

Burning, into the fire

Burning, a funeral pyre

Burning, into the fire

Burning, a funeral pyre

quote:Originally posted by Boblong:

Because he doesn't exist........

I know he doesn't exist, I'm just pointing out flaws in their arguments.

quote:Originally posted by anthra22:

I know he doesn't exist, I'm just pointing out flaws in their arguments.

You don't know shit, therefore your just as bad as a theist who says he knows.

quote:Originally posted by anthra22:

Why do they like this guy so much, there are hundreds of millions of people on this earth living in poverty or opressed or in bloody wars. Why would he allow genocide? Christians always answer by saying free will, but supposedly god killed the first born of every child in egypt or something like that(i remember that from sunday school), so why couldn't he have just killed all the nazi leaders?

I don't know why people use that as an excuse to not believe in God, but my God is different than the one most people believe in, as discussed in my post "WHAT IS GOD?"

quote:Originally posted by kenshin_kid:

The aspect of christianity is absurd. They have killed in the name of god. Here is the lyrics to a song that relates to the which burnings.

You stand before this court, accused of heresy and witch craft. How do you plead?

"Not guilty!"

"Guilty!"

Our tongues they could not silence with their malicious lies

Their unforgotten violence, remember those who died

And as my flesh is put to fire I hear their voices still

Their unjust accusations demanding I am killed

"We shall show no mercy to heathen such as thee

Who stand accused and have refused the Church's clemency

Your wicked acts are endless through the crimes we cannot name

Innocent or guilty proved, we'll burn you just the same"

Burning, into the fire

Burning, a funeral pyre

Burning, into the fire

Burning, a funeral pyre

This self-righteous inquisition is a plague upon our land

As false as the confessions they force from shattered hands

"We shall show no mercy to heathen such as thee

Who stand accused and have refused the Church's clemency

Your wicked acts are endless through the crimes we cannot name

Innocent or guilty proved, we'll burn you just the same"

Burning, into the fire

Burning, a funeral pyre

Burning, into the fire

Burning, a funeral pyre

Abused my broken body is cleansed by righteous flame,

Their God a 'God of Mercy' yet in whose name I slain.

My innocence the victim of their superstitious fears

Religious persecution for the past three hundred years

Preaching peace and mercy 'neath the shadow of the knife

A papal reign of terror, slaughter in the name of Christ

And as my flesh is put to fire I hear their voices still

Their unjust accusations demanding I am killed

"We shall show no mercy to heathen such as thee

Who stand accused and have refused the Church's clemency

Your wicked acts are endless through the crimes we cannot name

Innocent or guilty proved, we'll burn you just the same"

Burning, into the fire

Burning, a funeral pyre

Burning, into the fire

Burning, a funeral pyre

martin%20walkyier%20rules.-

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I don't know why people use that as an excuse to not believe in God, but my God is different than the one most people believe in, as discussed in my post "WHAT IS GOD?"

I know what you mean, seems like the only accepted view of God is the christian's one. I have a view pretty much equal of God as you have.

We should make a religion :P (kidding)

quote:Originally posted by Junyi:

I know what you mean, seems like the only accepted view of God is the christian's one. I have a view pretty much equal of God as you have.

We should make a religion :P (kidding)

Yeah we should make a religion! In fact, we don't need to make a religion, because there is already one that incorporates our version of God as I've discussed in "Interested in Islam? Ask Questions here!" I'll requote it:

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Some people have reffered to my concept of God as somewhat alien also stating "That is not God" "You are redefining God"

as if they have some predefined concept of God that God must fit into.

My Personal Concept of God comes from the Qur'an. God is Reality. God is Encompassing Everything. Surrounding Everything.

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YUSUFALI: This is so, because Allah is the Reality: it is He Who gives life to the dead, and it is He Who has power over all things.

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That is because Allah - He is the Reality; and those besides Him whom they invoke,- they are but vain Falsehood: verily Allah is He, Most High, Most Great.

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Therefore exalted be Allah, the King, the Reality: there is no god but He, the Lord of the Throne of Honour!

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YUSUFALI: That is because Allah is the (only) Reality, and because whatever else they invoke besides Him is Falsehood; and because Allah,- He is the Most High, Most Great.

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The Reality!

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What is the Reality?

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Ah, what will convey unto thee what the Reality is?

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If aught that is good befalls you, it grieves them; but if some misfortune overtakes you, they rejoice at it. But if ye are constant and do right, not the least harm will their cunning do to you; for Allah Compasseth round about all that they do.

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Be not as those who came forth from their dwellings boastfully and to be seen of men, and debar (men) from the way of Allah, while Allah is surrounding all they do.

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How! Are they still in doubt about the meeting with their Lord? Lo! Is not He surrounding all things?

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But to Allah belong all things in the heavens and on earth: And He it is that Encompasseth all things.

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O ye who believe! if any from among you turn back from his Faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love as they will love Him,- lowly with the believers, mighty against the rejecters, fighting in the way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault. That is the grace of Allah, which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things.

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He said: "O my people! is then my family of more consideration with you than Allah? For ye cast Him away behind your backs (with contempt). But verily my Lord encompasseth on all sides all that ye do!

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Behold! We told thee that thy Lord doth encompass mankind round about: We granted the vision which We showed thee, but as a trial for men,- as also the Cursed Tree (mentioned) in the Qur'an: We put terror (and warning) into them, but it only increases their inordinate transgression!

For those who wanted some scientific quotes from the Qur'an there are the following (I haven't completely reviewed them): http:../../www.missionislam.com/science/book.htm http:../../www.quran.org/science/default.htm

Check the index on the right of the above page.

quote:Originally posted by Junyi:

I know what you mean, seems like the only accepted view of God is the christian's one. I have a view pretty much equal of God as you have.

We should make a religion :P (kidding)

Junyi, what's your MSN, AIM, or YAHOO adress?