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My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged.

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 #1 
Old 2006-02-03, 01:47
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Default omnipotence dead.

Assuming god is supreme and omnipotent, could he not make something better. If he could he would find himself contradicting himself because he wouldnt be the most powerful. if he couldnt he's not omnipotent. please explain if i missed something.

[This message has been edited by pants (edited 02-03-2006).]
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Old 2006-02-03, 03:28
Raptafairious Raptafairious is offline
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Default Re: omnipotence dead.

Its gods decision to do anything for our benefit (If there is a supreme being) Maybe god is some sick lunatic that likes to see people suffer, or were just another set of beings in all of existance and he/she wouldnt care less of what we do.
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Old 2006-02-03, 04:37
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Default Re: omnipotence dead.

Anything powerful in and of itself cannot congregate to form something greater than itself.

Case and point: All numbers are part of infinity. The summation of all numbers cannot be greater than infinity.
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Old 2006-02-03, 15:56
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quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Anything powerful in and of itself cannot congregate to form something greater than itself.

Case and point: All numbers are part of infinity. The summation of all numbers cannot be greater than infinity.

Faulty logic. That doesn't prove anything at all.

If god is omnipotent, then he must, by definition of omnipotence, have the power to improve the perfect, and to better the infinitely best - however illogical those propositions might seem. Thus god can, "congregate to form something greater than itself".
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Old 2006-02-03, 17:05
Elephantitis Man Elephantitis Man is offline
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Default Re: omnipotence dead.

Rust, you stated God can form something greater than himself. But what would be the basis of comparison for the greatness he would be striving to achieve?



Or is it something we simply cannot comprehend because we have never experienced anything close to what we speculate the omnipotence of God really is?
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Old 2006-02-03, 17:18
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Default Re: omnipotence dead.

quote:Originally posted by pants:

Assuming god is supreme and omnipotent, could he not make something better. If he could he would find himself contradicting himself because he wouldnt be the most powerful. if he couldnt he's not omnipotent. please explain if i missed something.





The moment God created somthing better than himself he would lose omnipotence. However if God chooses not to make a greater being than himself then even if it is within his ability he does not lose omnipotence
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Old 2006-02-03, 21:47
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Default Re: omnipotence dead.

quote:Originally posted by bombtrack:



The moment God created somthing better than himself he would lose omnipotence. However if God chooses not to make a greater being than himself then even if it is within his ability he does not lose omnipotence

i know but it shows that there can be a better being, something which the bible states(maybe not in direct context) is impossible.

[This message has been edited by pants (edited 02-03-2006).]
 
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